Bible alone!

[GodsGrace]

PS: @GodsGrace Mussolini was pretty wonky also...

LOL
Great minds think alike....

 

[Addy]

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[theefaith]

What then are the keys?

“I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.” Rev 1:18 [that is Jesus, not Peter]

“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;” Rev 3:7 [this is also Jesus, not Peter]

“And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house.” Isaiah 22:22-23 [this is also Jesus, not Peter]

“Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.” Luke 11:52 [and the key of knowledge is found only through Peter, is it?] Solomon inspired by God wrote the following a thousand years before Peter was born:

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge:..." Prov 1:7

To Peter, yes, and to many others after him, not only apostles, to whom it had been shut the way to the Tree of Life opened to overcomers. Did Peter overcome? It would seem likely, but many who were not apostles would be overcomers!

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" Rev 2:7

Overcoming the world may be accomplished by anyone who yields to the Holy Spirit until all obstacles hindering the way to God and that Tree of Life are gone.

the keys are the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42

 

[theefaith]

I agree.
Jesus left Peter with the keys...
In the O.T. keys were a symbol of authority....

Your comment that no king administers his own kingdom does not seem correct, but I'm not sure what you mean by this.

always a prime minister who administers the kingdom like Joseph under pharaoh
Or peter and his successors in Christ the king Lk 1:32-33
Isa 22:2-22

 

[theefaith]

He rebuilt the economy.
This is good.
But it's overshadowed by the evil.
If you do one thing good and ten things wrong, the wrong will be remembered and not the good.

As to the elimination of the "undesirables" you mentioned, please remember this:

Morality cannot be legislated.
It's very dangerous when a government can decide who is immoral and be punished for it. We might be next...

God loves all of His creation and only He can truly judge....we don't know man's heart.

What do you think brought about the holocaust?
Hatred for what was considered an inferior race.

Again, we could have been next.

No I think it was the Jewish international banksters or the political zionists who who were Freemasons and wanted a Jewish homeland

guilt is very powerful motivation

You must have morality or the society will be evil
Separation of church and state is wrong
The state requires the moral influence of the state or you get immoral pluralism of America with abortion homosexual porn al legal

 

[amadeus]

the keys are the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42

Even if we understand the keys to be included in that verse, how can anyone continue correctly according to that verse without the leading and power of the Holy Spirit?

"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." Acts 2:42

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" Acts 1:8

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:37-39

 

[theefaith]

Even if we understand the keys to be included in that verse, how can anyone continue correctly according to that verse without the leading and power of the Holy Spirit?

"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." Acts 2:42

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" Acts 1:8

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:37-39

jn 16:13 then the apostles teach us matt 28:19

 

[Marymog]

Don't tell me, tell @theefaith.

I apologize. I misunderstood the conversation between the two of you.

If thefaith said that no one outside The Church could be saved he would be incorrect.

 

[amadeus]

jn 16:13 then the apostles teach us matt 28:19

The help of the apostles is a good thing, but who was it that let you know that some of those fellows were heading off in the wrong direction? It does still come down to "by their fruits you shall know them", but how is it that you are able to distinguish between good and evil fruits?

 

[theefaith]

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truth is objective and immutable not something decided by majority vote or a consensus

 

[amadeus]

truth is objective and immutable not something decided by majority vote or a consensus

Truth is Jesus but who knows him completely and absolutely? What did Apostle Paul write about himself and all of us here?

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known" I Cor 13:12

Who has already attained unto the "face to face" vision?

 

[APAK]

LOL
Great minds think alike....

Have not heard from you in a while. welcome back

 

[theefaith]

Truth is Jesus but who knows him completely and absolutely? What did Apostle Paul write about himself and all of us here?

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known" I Cor 13:12

Who has already attained unto the "face to face" vision?

Truth is complete in the sacred deposit of faith Jude 1:3

catholic and divine faith

 

[amadeus]

Truth is complete in the sacred deposit of faith Jude 1:3

catholic and divine faith

I agree that all of the Truth needed is available to anyone who seeks it according the Way God directs us.

Mt 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mt 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mt 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

What was Jesus teaching with those words?
How does one become blessed in each of those things?
How does a person receive all of the Truth into his own heart?

 

[GodsGrace]

I agree that all of the Truth needed is available to anyone who seeks it according the Way God directs us.

Mt 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mt 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mt 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

What was Jesus teaching with those words?
How does one become blessed in each of those things?
How does a person receive all of the Truth into his own heart?

The Catholic Church believes they have the complete truth. Other Christians are believed to be saved, but are lacking the complete truth.

I wonder if @theefaith would know what that truth is?

I don't believe the beatitudes would be that truth....

 

[amadeus]

The Catholic Church believes they have the complete truth. Other Christians are believed to be saved, but are lacking the complete truth.

I wonder if @theefaith would know what that truth is?

I don't believe the beatitudes would be that truth....

Our friend @theefaith is seemingly a Catholic without the Pope, or Pope Francis and his predecessors back to all those follow Pius XII in any case. He stands apparently strong in that belief, but has thus far failed to communicate here to me really what went wrong beginning with John XXIII. Vatican II? Perhaps he can explain to another practicing Catholic, but I really doubt it. Like so many Protestants, he has simply decided and so it must be. We do live by faith, but whereto is our faith directed?

To me the beatitudes tell another story, which not many people seriously consider and certainly few Catholics, at least not I would see or consider them. I threw that in to see what if anything it would accomplish in him. Many Protestants might also have trouble with it... They too have often already decided!

 

[theefaith]

Our friend @theefaith is seemingly a Catholic without the Pope, or Pope Francis and his predecessors back to all those follow Pius XII in any case. He stands apparently strong in that belief, but has thus far failed to communicate here to me really what went wrong beginning with John XXIII. Vatican II? Perhaps he can explain to another practicing Catholic, but I really doubt it. Like so many Protestants, he has simply decided and so it must be. We do live by faith, but whereto is our faith directed?

To me the beatitudes tell another story, which not many people seriously consider and certainly few Catholics, at least not I would see or consider them. I threw that in to see what if anything it would accomplish in him. Many Protestants might also have trouble with it... They too have often already decided!

blessed are the merciful they shall receive mercy and not faith alone!

 

[amadeus]

blessed are the merciful they shall receive mercy and not faith alone!

One of these days perhaps you will talk to me about what I have said rather than to the crowd. I am not the crowd. I am Amadeus, which means "love God"!

 

[Gregory]

IF, each believer has the Holy Spirit, then why all the confusion???

What do you think "the keys of the Kingdom of heaven" refer to in Matthew 16:19? These keys allowed the apostles a special power that whatever they would bind on earth, would be bound in heaven and whatever they loosed on earth would be loosed in heaven.

The interpretation of this power: The power was the same power that Jesus held, to heal the sick, to raise the dead, to preach the truthfulness of the gospel, to forgive sins (loosing a man of his sins on earth would be recognized in heaven and God would loose this mans sins also).

So there is more to it than having the Holy Spirit. You have to have the Holy Spirit, but the church officers needed the "keys of the kingdom of heaven" to grow the church and administer and manage this growth.

So what do you think the "keys of the kingdom of heaven" were?

 

[GodsGrace]

What do you think "the keys of the Kingdom of heaven" refer to in Matthew 16:19? These keys allowed the apostles a special power that whatever they would bind on earth, would be bound in heaven and whatever they loosed on earth would be loosed in heaven.

The interpretation of this power: The power was the same power that Jesus held, to heal the sick, to raise the dead, to preach the truthfulness of the gospel, to forgive sins (loosing a man of his sins on earth would be recognized in heaven and God would loose this mans sins also).

So there is more to it than having the Holy Spirit. You have to have the Holy Spirit, but the church officers needed the "keys of the kingdom of heaven" to grow the church and administer and manage this growth.

So what do you think the "keys of the kingdom of heaven" were?

How could your 2nd paragraph be correct?
It would mean that man forgives sins and not God.
??