Dispensational problems

[Zao is life]

This 95 theses is so full of false claims and ad hominem against anyone who disagrees with Preterist eschatology and theology that it's going into my trash can now. Not worth reading any more (and I've only read less than 10), and certainly as far from on a par with Luther's 95 Theses as as the Zimbabwe Airforce is from that of the United Sates.

 

[Zao is life]

It's your claim and "opinion" that Daniel 9:27 took place in 70AD, and it's my "opinion" your wrong, it's a future event infulfilled

The Beast/Man Of Sin/Little Horn/The Antichrist, will be in Jerusalem making abomination and desolation to the (Consummation) the (Ultimate End)

Your claim this event belongs in the 1st century is in "Error", read the definition of "Consummation" over and over, it's a future event unfulfilled, that takes place in Jerusalem, and it's not the consummation of the "age" as you have suggested in another thread

That being poured upon the desolate below is Gods cup of wrath Revelation 14:10 (The End)

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:5-27KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Well that's what I said I wasn't misquoting what you believe. You have to have a gap in time somewhere in the final week of Daniel's 70 weeks chronology, which is what that thesis I quoted was saying.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well that's what I said I wasn't misquoting what you believe. You have to have a gap in time somewhere in the final week of Daniel's 70 weeks chronology, which is what that thesis I quoted was saying.

No gap whatsoever as you claim

70 future literal weeks, that start when the future command to rebuild Jerusalem is given

7 weeks in planning, 62 weeks in building, Messiah is cut off when armies surround Jerusalem, in the 70th week the Man Of Sin is revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be God Messiah returned,the 3.5 year tribulation starts at this point

Where is your claimed gap seen in my description?

 

[Zao is life]

I am a simple person.
Look at all the views if you are interested in finding truth.
I do the same thing with cults.
I ask a jw what does a mormon believe?
I asked a mormon elder from Ogden Utah, what does a JW believe, or how about a Presbyterian believe?
He said he did not Know!
So then I asked how can you tell me the book of Mormon is correct when he did not know the answer to my Questions?

You're a cultist yourself. "Only we Preterists are right, and we are right about everything. The rest of you are wrong about everything".

NEWSFLASH: Not one Christian and no group of Christians is right about everything they believe, either individually or by consensus. Any group which does that have turned themselves into mini-Popes.

 

[Zao is life]

No gap whatsoever as you claim

70 future literal weeks, that start when the future command to rebuild Jerusalem is given

7 weeks in planning, 62 weeks in building, Messiah is cut off when armies surround Jerusalem, in the 70th week the Man Of Sin is revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be God Messiah returned

Where is your claimed gap seen in my description?

.. and that 70th week of yours is 2,000+ years after the 69th week. G-A-P in C-H-R-O-N-O-L-O-GY

 

[Iconoclast]

So you're saying prophecy isn't literal?
Good luck with that.

tell me what is happening literally in rev6

 

[Iconoclast]

You're a cultist yourself. "Only we Preterists are right, and we are right about everything. The rest of you are wrong about everything".

NEWSFLASH: Not one Christian and no group of Christians is right about everything they believe, either individually or by consensus. Any group which does that have turned themselves into mini-Popes.[/QUOTE

where did you read that post?

 

[Truth7t7]

.. and that 70th week is 2,000 years after the 69th week. G-A-P in C-H-R-O-N-O-L-O-GY

Dispensationalism teaches 69 weeks are fulfilled at the cross,with a floating week of Millennia

My complete teaching is "Future" and comprises of 70 literal future weeks

I have no idea in where you believe a chronology take place, not a clue on your belief

Once again, Its your opinion there is a gap in chronology, and it's my opinion your wrong

 

[Iconoclast]

Dispensationalism teaches 69 weeks are fulfilled at the cross,with a floating week of Millennia

My complete teaching is "Future" and comprises of 70 literal future weeks

Once again, Its your opinion there is a gap in chronology,and it's my opinion your wrong

Jesus was cut off in the midst of the 70th week

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus was cut off in the midst of the 70th week

How was jesus cut off and when?

 

[Iconoclast]

This 95 theses is so full of false claims and ad hominem against anyone who disagrees with Preterist eschatology and theology that it's going into my trash can now. Not worth reading any more (and I've only read less than 10), and certainly as far from on a par with Luther's 95 Theses as as the Zimbabwe Airforce is from that of the United Sates.

you are welcome to refute them.
they were posted separately so that could happen.

 

[Zao is life]

Dispensationalism teaches 69 weeks are fulfilled at the cross,with a floating week of Millennia

My complete teaching is "Future" and comprises of 70 literal future weeks

I have no idea in where you believe a chronology take place, not a clue on your belief

Once again, Its your opinion there is a gap in chronology, and it's my opinion your wrong

Oh. OK My bad. My bad. But that would mean that your 70 weeks hasn't even begun yet? Sorry, this is confusing to me.

 

[Zao is life]

you are welcome to refute them.
they were posted separately so that could happen.

No thanks. I have already refuted one false claim. That's already 1 more than I could of Martin Luther's Theses. Waste of time. Trashcan is for trash. Cheap Chinese products and all that.

 

[Truth7t7]

Oh. OK My bad. My bad. But that would mean that your 70 weeks hasn't even begun yet? Sorry, this is confusing to me.

"70 future literal weeks", that start when the "future" command to rebuild Jerusalem is given

7 weeks in planning, 62 weeks in building, Messiah is cut off when armies surround Jerusalem, in the 70th week the Man Of Sin is revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be God Messiah returned, the 3.5 year tribulation starts at this point

 

[Zao is life]

I've been missing this (my apologies):

No gap whatsoever as you claim

70 future literal weeks, that start when the future command to rebuild Jerusalem is given

7 weeks in planning, 62 weeks in building, Messiah is cut off when armies surround Jerusalem, in the 70th week the Man Of Sin is revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be God Messiah returned,the 3.5 year tribulation starts at this point

Where is your claimed gap seen in my description?

OK then it's even more way out than I at first thought - more way out than the Disp idea. But my bad and my apologies for misquoting what you believe.

 

[Iconoclast]

No thanks. I have already refuted one false claim. That's already 1 more than I could of Martin Luther's Theses. Waste of time. Trashcan is for trash. Cheap Chinese products and all that.

you and the others cannot really do it,i understand.

 

[Zao is life]

Thank you for this thread, I have been learning about Dispy folks recently and their errors. This and #26 in which they act like fleshly Jews are some of the biggest.

The Disps are Christians. They believe in Jesus. They have doctrines we can fight against but "they act like fleshly Jews" is another ad hominem and also a statement against Jewish unbelievers as though they are somehow worse people than Gentile unbelievers.

Be careful whose teaching you follow. Satan loves it when this sort of thing spreads. The church is his greatest enemy because he knows the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

 

[Zao is life]

you and the others cannot really do it,i understand.

No it's you and "your others" who cannot really do it and have failed in these so-called theses again. The rest of us understand.

 

[Truth7t7]

I've been missing this (my apologies):

OK then it's even more way out than I at first thought - more way out than the Disp idea. But my bad and my apologies for misquoting what you believe.

Far out, smiles

Yes seventy literal future weeks, and the bad guy is revealed in the 70th week that starts the tribulation, and yes he will be present for 3.5 years making abominations and desolation, all the way up to the consummation (The End)

 

[Marty fox]

If you're going to argue for 2 separate returns, you had better produce a passage that teaches a Third Coming. Out of the many times i read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, i only read of Christ saying He is returning 1 time.
Follow your own advice, because there isn't a single instance where Christ or any other apostle re any prophecy concerning a pre-Trib rapture.

Jesus coming in judgement happens more that once like in the verse below

Revelation 2:16
16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.