Silly question, but a thought provoking one:

[APAK]

“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself.
I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
This command I have received from My Father.”

And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
I and My Father are One.” = Deuteronomy 6:4

Heaven to earth - wrangler please pick up the Call on line 7

Classic, forcing your own doctrinal truth into scripture by forcing one piece of jig-saw puzzle scripture verse that does not belong, together with 3 naturally interlocking verses that now has caused all 4 pieces to become deformed and unusable. You are never going to find the overall picture of truth that way.

 

[ScottA]

Done repeatedly. You just deny it. This word is a WHAT not a WHO. Words are an attribute of the Being who says it, not spawning of another Being.

Verse 2 "He" is the same Greek word translated in John 6:60 "this" as in, '“This is very hard to understand.' It is not "he is very hard to understand." But this word, this teaching is hard to understand.



Done many times. You just don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. Jesus's God is the only God. The one who send Jesus to Earth is the only God. Scripture is explicit on this point 1,000's of times and in every Epistle.


The Most important Commandment “Listen, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone.
Deuteronomy 6:4

And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you (Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.
John 17:3 (Emphasis Added)

“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
John 20:17 (NLT)

'For us, there is one God, the Father.'
1 Cor 8:6

All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
Ephesians 1:3

Oh, thanks for filling in some of your beliefs.

Now I see where you are coming from. However, you are simply stumbling on the language, which God has confused for those who do not have the spirit to discern it--you are taking it literally, as literature, which it is not.

The literature that you stated above, Jesus explained as:
John 14:20
"At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you."

This is the [mystery] of the Oneness of God. But you have taken what cannot be divided apart in your own mind, which he simply broke down for easier understanding, not because they are not One and the same, but because he spoke to children about the many attributes of God who indeed is One.

It is true that the Trinity and all those in God have been turned into many misguided religions that are stuck in that children's story, but you have made a worse mistake: In your own childish thinking, you have denied God in part, because you too have not understood the words in spirit.

 

[David in NJ]

Just kidding Dave, Elohim is the Mormon handle for the Kolob god

You had me nervous - VERY Happy you were kidding - Love U Brother

 

[David in NJ]

Classic, forcing your own doctrinal truth into scripture by forcing one piece of jig-saw puzzle scripture verse that does not belong, together with 3 naturally interlocking verses that now has caused all 4 pieces to become deformed and unusable. You are never going to find the overall picture of truth that way.

This is funny - thanks for the laughter

 

[David in NJ]

This is funny - thanks for the laughter

Those verses all come from John chapter 10 - so feel free to read it yourself

 

[APAK]

Those verses all come from John chapter 10 - so feel free to read it yourself

Not all..check again....you are welcome

 

[ScottA]

Why did your version render Acts 28:6 a god then? theos is translated god correctly sir ho theos is properly rendered God. Your version deliberately translated it God, but were inconsistent in rendering it that way in all cases. In actuality the translators of your selected version deliberately altered the word, just like they altered Ps 110:1

Your whole argument is out in the weeds. You are trying to make a case for scripture being literature. It's not. It must be discerned spiritually. The words are spirit.

And you have also made the mistake of thinking that the word of God has been under the power and control of men (who mistranslated it). Again, it's not. God's word is under His providence alone.

 

[David in NJ]

Classic, forcing your own doctrinal truth into scripture by forcing one piece of jig-saw puzzle scripture verse that does not belong, together with 3 naturally interlocking verses that now has caused all 4 pieces to become deformed and unusable. You are never going to find the overall picture of truth that way.

Questions to ponder based on John chapter 10

Whose Hand has us - the Father or the Son???

Are They arm wrestling up in Heaven to see who get's to hold the Bride's hand???

Do They get tired and pass us back and forth???

 

[Wrangler]

This is the [mystery] of the Oneness of God. But you have taken what cannot be divided apart in your own mind

There is no mystery to contradictions, dualism and mysticism. You are confusing:
A. Being on the same page as another
B. Being the same being as another.

 

[David in NJ]

Not all..check again....you are welcome

Right, John ch 6 & ch 10 - but Same Gospel Message and Same Father Son Holy Spirit Combo there..........John 1:1

You won't see Jesus denying this either.............

Neither the Father.................

Neither the Holy Spirit................

Certainly not me.............

What about you???

 

[Wrangler]

You are trying to make a case for scripture being literature. It's not. It must be discerned spiritually.

Appeal to Ignorance. You are advocating for doctrines contrary to the Word of God in the grounds that your gnostic ‘special discernment’ supersedes:
Logic
Definition
Language Usage

In short, you assert it cannot be understood because it is literature, put to words.

 

[MatthewG]

Billy to Bible study teacher: Why did God have to send himself down to earth to become his own son to sacrifice himself just to convince himself to forgive us?

God didn’t send himself to earth. God sent his Word to earth, and the Word of God was born into flesh named Jesus. God was with the Lord Jesus by the Holy Spirit when He was baptized in the spirit, when John the Baptist baptized him in the Jordan River.

The Word of Yahweh and Yahweh being God are one together. They were one together when the world was created.

Yahweh spoke -> and Yahweh gave his Word the power to create.

This is the mature state of the belief that Jesus Christ though in a body of flesh was the direct image of God the brightness of Gods glory resembled in an undesirable flesh nature. According to scriptures anyway.

When Jesus died He gave up the spirit, and died. God did not die. Jesus gave up the Holy Spirit I think and the logos of God died, and went to sheol and God raised his Word back up from the dead on the third day according to scriptures.

I do not submit to the trinity doctrine but I also believe that the Word of God and becomes one with God again after everything has been finished and the Word of God and God becoming one make Jesus the Lord God Almighty.


it’s all up to you how you are gonna believe and see these things it’s very healthy to read the word of God and don’t believe me or anything I say I’m just a man sharing what I’ve seen in the word.

May God guide you to the truth if you desire to know this more and May the spirit lead,

Take care,
Matthew G.


“For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭15:27-28‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


“God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:1-4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


This is talking about Jesus giving everything back to the Father.

 

[ScottA]

There is no mystery to contradictions, dualism and mysticism. You are confusing:
A. Being on the same page as another
B. Being the same being as another.

I have no confusion here. Apparently you do.

For the record: If one is One with God, they are also God. They are One [God].

 

[ScottA]

Appeal to Ignorance. You are advocating for doctrines contrary to the Word of God in the grounds that your gnostic ‘special discernment’ supersedes:
Logic
Definition
Language Usage

In short, you assert it cannot be understood because it is literature, put to words.

That is a fair assessment of the scriptures, yes. The words are spirit (not literature, and are foolishness as such).

 

[David in NJ]

Appeal to Ignorance. You are advocating for doctrines contrary to the Word of God in the grounds that your gnostic ‘special discernment’ supersedes:
Logic
Definition
Language Usage

In short, you assert it cannot be understood because it is literature, put to words.

Logic - "I and My Father are One"

Definition - Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One. And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

Language Usage - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning."
The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Logic - "I and My Father are One"

Definition - Immanuel = God with us

Language Usage - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Logic - "I and My Father are One"

 

[MatthewG]

Whatever you believe about this topic you will have to come to your own understanding. The scriptures are clear that God - and Gods word are one together, also the Holy Spirit of God all three of them make up the realities of heaven being one in purpose together. They were all there in the creation of the World. Yahweh gave his Word that he spoke the power to create, and the Word created everything, you can see it in Hebrews 1:3 (Word of God in flesh) and John 1:1-5 (Before coming into flesh).

 

[APAK]

Questions to ponder based on John chapter 10

Whose Hand has us - the Father or the Son???

Are They arm wrestling up in Heaven to see who get's to hold the Bride's hand???

Do They get tired and pass us back and forth???

Do you have a point to make? And what difference will it make to you with my answer?

 

[APAK]

Right, John ch 6 & ch 10 - but Same Gospel Message and Same Father Son Holy Spirit Combo there..........John 1:1

You won't see Jesus denying this either.............

Neither the Father.................

Neither the Holy Spirit................

Certainly not me.............

What about you???

You lost me Jersey Dave

 

[David in NJ]

You lost me Jersey Dave

God has not lost you, if you are in the Son's Hand - PEACE

Whether you see THREE
or you see One
There you will find
the Father
the Son
and the Holy One

 

[Wrangler]

For the record: If one is One with God, they are also God. They are One [God].

So, you believe men ARE God?