Anti-reformers month

[theefaith]

Hah. You sound like the Protestants that the Catholic Church complains about, having '45,000 denominations'.

Will the real Catholic Church please stand up?

Right now it is found in the faithful bishops who reject the Freemasons Vatican 2

 

[theefaith]

Weren't many of the Popes corrupt? I even read I forget which one it was that had Whores living with him in the Vatican committing sexual and profane acts, that many of the Popes were put there as Popes because of the riches and influences they had over the Vatican, so they basically bought their Popehood or whatever term you would use.

Many of the Priests robbed the poor by taking their money and buying their salvation in Heaven.

Do you not know the history of the Popes you praise?

a pope is a human and a sinner not impeccable, but the church and the papacy are founded by Christ and cannot be reformed, just as truth is revealed by God and is immutable

 

[Truman]

Everyone outside of the church forest easily sees how corrupt the whole lot is. Especially the Muslims, who get endless laughs at our expense. They play the church like a violin, online, knowing few have any idea about what they're doing. I'm sure the Muslims have more respect for the Jews.

 

[theefaith]

Everyone outside of the church forest easily sees how corrupt the whole lot is. Especially the Muslims, who get endless laughs at our expense. They play the church like a violin, online, knowing few have any idea about what they're doing. I'm sure the Muslims have more respect for the Jews.

the church is found by God (Christ) and cannot be corrupt or teach error matt 16:18-19 jn 16:13 jn 10:16
Rev 21:2

 

[Truman]

It's not the Lord who messed up.

 

[theefaith]

It's not the Lord who messed up.

Men are sinners and in matters of discipline are not infallible

the church cannot teach error or Christ would be teaching error!
Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

 

[Truman]

Men are sinners and in matters of discipline are not infallible

the church cannot teach error or Christ would be teaching error!
Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

You really believe Christ and the church are the same? Really?

 

[theefaith]

You really believe Christ and the church are the same? Really?

Jesus says so

Acts 9:4
Eph 5:32
Jn 15-1-5

The church is the new covenant and the ark of salvation!

The Church Always Visible

3. And, since it was necessary that His divine mission should be perpetuated to the end of rime, He took to Himself Disciples, trained by himself, and made them partakers of His own authority. And, when He had invoked upon them from Heaven the Spirit of Truth, He bade them go through the whole world and faithfully preach to all nations, what He had taught and what He had commanded, so that by the profession of His doctrine, and the observance of His laws, the human race might attain to holiness on earth and never-ending happiness in Heaven. In this wise, and on this principle, the Church was begotten. If we consider the chief end of His Church and the proximate efficient causes of salvation, it is undoubtedly spiritual; but in regard to those who constitute it, and to the things which lead to these spiritual gifts, it is external and necessarily visible. The Apostles received a mission to teach by visible and audible signs, and they discharged their mission only by words and acts which certainly appealed to the senses. So that their voices falling upon the ears of those who heard them begot faith in souls-"Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the words of Christ" (Rom. x., 17). And faith itself - that is assent given to the first and supreme truth - though residing essentially in the intellect, must be manifested by outward profession-"For with the heart we believe unto justice, but with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" (Rom. x., 10). In the same way in man, nothing is more internal than heavenly grace which begets sanctity, but the ordinary and chief means of obtaining grace are external: that is to say, the sacraments which are administered by men specially chosen for that purpose, by means of certain ordinances.

Jesus Christ commanded His Apostles and their successors to the end of time to teach and rule the nations. He ordered the nations to accept their teaching and obey their authority. But his correlation of rights and duties in the Christian commonwealth not only could not have been made permanent, but could not even have been initiated except through the senses, which are of all things the messengers and interpreters.

excerpt from SATIS COGNITUM
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII
ON THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH

 

[Truman]

1. - Really? Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch? I once saw Yeshua (once through a window of heaven, and once when I died), and He didn't look anything like the church or the pope, for that matter.
2. - The church is sinful. Yeshua isn't.
3. - Yeshua dwells in me, but I can assure you that I'm not blameless.
I think your religion's got your thinking all twisted up.

 

[theefaith]

1. - Really? Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch? I once saw Yeshua (once through a window of heaven, and once when I died), and He didn't look anything like the church or the pope, for that matter.
2. - The church is sinful. Yeshua isn't.
3. - Yeshua dwells in me, but I can assure you that I'm not blameless.
I think your religion's got your thinking all twisted up.

The church cannot be sinful or teach error! Founded by God who is perfect
The church is the body of Christ
Members of the church can sin we are human but the church is a divine institution founded by Christ
The spotless bride of Christ

 

[Truman]

I really hope you don't believe that!

 

[GodsGrace]

I don't belong to the church anymore...there's a Messianic congregation down the street I'm thinking about attending.

You can not go to a church and still love and serve God.
I haven't been to church in over 2 years.
But I do believe it's a good thing to do and be with other believers....
those you can feel comfortable with.
I wish you luck with the Messianic congregation.

 

[amigo de christo]

Men are sinners and in matters of discipline are not infallible

the church cannot teach error or Christ would be teaching error!
Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Praying to saints , to mary and angels , IS ERROR .
So why follow that institution just cause it calls itself the church . Follow CHRIST and learn that bible well my friend . Fore its too late .

 

[GodsGrace]

Praying to saints , to mary and angels , IS ERROR .
So why follow that institution just cause it calls itself the church . Follow CHRIST and learn that bible well my friend . Fore its too late .

The above is not for me....
but I see a big error there.

What do you mean by BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE?

 

[Brakelite]

Unbiblical fantasy

Unbiblical? I was referring to history. I wasn't giving a Bible lesson. But if you want evidence that the Catholic Church is the Antichrist of scripture as the reformers taught I will oblige. I'm fact, I have a thread doing that very thing.

 

[GodsGrace]

Unbiblical? I was referring to history. I wasn't giving a Bible lesson. But if you want evidence that the Catholic Church is the Antichrist of scripture as the reformers taught I will oblige. I'm fact, I have a thread doing that very thing.

The CC is the antiChrist??
Could you link the thread?
It's an interesting concept.

 

[Brakelite]

The CC is the antiChrist??
Could you link the thread?
It's an interesting concept.

Israel? Or the church?

 

[Ezra]

it all began with allowing remarried couples to receive communion

WHY CAN T THYE ? are they sinners ? what if there was proper cause for being remarried ? is it the unpardonable sin ?

 

[reformed1689]

The church wrote scripture
The New Testament
The church alone has authority to compile the cannon of scripture and to interpret scripture

Nope

 

[reformed1689]

dogma is short for dogmatic meaning an incontrovertible truth revealed by God and taught by the holy church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors

Eph 4:5 thee faith Jude 1:3 thee faith

nope, not correct. The pope is a heretic.