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I agreeYahweh/Jehovah is God sir Yeshua/Jesus is God's son according to the Bible.
Well, the focus should be when the light…. Which is Chris entered into the said world.Read the second line of post 68....already know it.
It does not help the Old Testament that says that Yahweh created the world.
And you should look up the Pagan history of the Logos.
I do believe that regardless of the tampering of pagans, that the Spirt will assuredly make any necessary corrections.Read the second line of post 68....already know it.
It does not help the Old Testament that says that Yahweh created the world.
And you should look up the Pagan history of the Logos.
Would you agree that Jesus existed in the mind of God before Adams existence?I agree
Jesus existed as a person before Adam existed.Would you agree that Jesus existed in the mind of God before Adams existence?
Wow, where is the scripture that supports this?Jesus existed as a person before Adam existed.
John 1:1 shows the Only-Begotten Son of God is the Word he was with God in the beginning. Whether anyone else believes that or not is their choice. The scripture at Revelation 3:14 says Jesus is the beginning of creation so since I believe the Only-Begotten Son of God to be a person the scriptures show that the Only Begotten Son of God existed as a person before Adam existed.Wow, where is the scripture that supports this?
Ok what if the beginning John is speaking of is the new creation, you know as John also said in this chapter…. When the light which is Christ came into the world.John 1:1 shows the Only-Begotten Son of God is the Word he was with God in the beginning. Whether anyone else believes that or not is their choice. The scripture at Revelation 3:14 says Jesus is the beginning of creation so since I believe the Only-Begotten Son of God to be a person the scriptures show that the Only Begotten Son of God existed as a person before Adam existed.
Well, the focus should be when the light…. Which is Chris entered into the said world.
Concerning the eternal existence of The Christ I’d say with attorneys many time they’ll examine a document and allege that the spirit of the letter has to be taken into consideration, and upon observation of the letter I have no doubt the volume of it is all about His Spirit, especially the old letter. So I may have to change my vote.
It’s bed time midnight here. Will try tomorrow.See posts 68 and 69
I don't agree that there is a hint in the scriptures at revelations 3:14 that John is speaking of a new creation. The context is the beginning of creation when the True God started creating which includes the creation of our universe.Ok what if the beginning John is speaking of is the new creation, you know as John also said in this chapter…. When the light which is Christ came into the world.
That would be when He was born of God?
There's no scripture that I've seen that shows we existed as spiritual beings before God created mankind.From the vote count I see most are right, however for some reason they can't see that we were also
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6
"For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord." - Luke 2:11
"…23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.” 25The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When He comes, He will explain everything to us.”…"
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6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." - John 14:6-1
"God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth" - John 4:24
"I and the Father are one.” - John 10:30
Yes, I'd say that Jesus was a spirit being before coming to earth.
I agree, though I do want to add one thing. We need the blood of Jesus to save us from our past sins. And, as you say, we need to learn to obey the Lord's teachings.
John 3:31,32; John 6:38 shows that the Only Begotten Son of God was in heaven before he came to Earth as a human.