HERESY?

[Marymog]

As I am not a part of any church in Christendom, I have no horses in that race.....both are equally guilty before God.....if that makes you feel better?

(Isaiah 1:15).....

Hey Jane,

The question I asked you was did you know that the Protestant denominations held their own inquisitions and tortured/killed other Christians. You didn't answer the quesiton. Soooooo Did you know that????

 

[Marymog]

I am not a Protestant....I do not belong to any of the Protestant churches. I am a Christian.....I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, without adding anything he did not teach. I am not anti-Catholic....I am pro-truth. Truth exposes error which is why the religious leaders hated Jesus, and why he told us that we would be hated too for the same reason. (John 15:18-21).....

Protestant defined: a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth

broad definition: a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church

Sooooooo are you of a Catholic or Eastern church? Do you accept the authority of the Pope??? I already know the answer is NO sooooo by the universally accepted definition of Protestant....You are Protestant!!

Sooo YOU follow the teachings of Christ and YOU are pro-truth? What are all the other Christians doing if not the same?

 

[Marymog]

Not from your point of view obviously, but everything I said was backed up by scripture.....can you say the same? When Jesus wanted to settle a dispute he quoted God's word stating...."It is written". I like to do that too.....

You think very highly of yourself. That concerns me.

How about if we settle this disagreement amongst us the Bible way: Matthew 18:17

 

[Cooper]

Protestant defined: a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth

broad definition: a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church

Sooooooo are you of a Catholic or Easter church? Do you accept the authority of the Pope??? I already know the answer is NO sooooo by the universally accepted definition of Protestant....You are Protestant!!

Sooo YOU follow the teachings of Christ and YOU are pro-truth? What are all the other Christians doing if not the same?

AJ is a JW.

 

[Instant]

And you believe that do you? I’m sorry but none of that is true. But if you want to believe in a God that would torture people forever in a fire, with no way to escape, then go for it. That is not the God and Father of Jesus Christ. Not even close. Not a single punishment in the Law of God required torture or even incarceration. For goodness sake, do some research instead of parroting off Christendom’s tired old story. It’s been around so long that no one even questions it.

There is no heaven/hell scenario as opposite destinations in any part of scripture. Adam was not told that he would go to hell, in fact the concept of life after death was foreign to the Jewish nation who were never taught about immortal souls or places of eternal torture.
Jesus was Jewish and so he would not have taught something that was contrary to his Jewish faith or something that was not in Jewish scripture.

If Jesus never taught such a thing, then all those references mean something else. A little research will reveal the truth but only if you want to know it.....so many don’t. It’s easier to believe the lies than to learn an inconvenient truth.

Everything I said is in the Bible. There is no way you could have read the Bible through and believe anything you said. You are making the mistake many have of saying within yourself that you cannot believe in a God that does this or that. This kind of reasoning lacks any logic. God does not have to fit into our mold. One reading of the gospels and Deuteronomy proves all you said is wrong.

 

[Wrangler]

AJ is a JW.

AJ is also AOK.

 

[Instant]

You think very highly of yourself. That concerns me.

How about if we settle this disagreement amongst us the Bible way: Matthew 18:17

The things Aunty Jane teach are not in the KJV Bible. Maybe that is the problem? What kind of scriptures is she reading? Maybe they are gnostic or dead sea scrolls or something like that?

 

[Wrangler]

The question I asked you was did you know that the Protestant denominations held their own inquisitions and tortured/killed other Christians.

Sounds like a great topic for a new thread.

 

[Davy]

This is a scary post.

You mean scary thread, because I'm not the only one here talking about this matter.

Hades is not a lake of fire. And it is not the baptism of fire John the Baptist spoke of. Where the fire is never quenched.

That's right, Hades (hell) is not the future "lake of fire" event of Revelation 20:14. You would have realized that's what I was talking about in my post, IF... you had actually read my post.

The hell jesus spoke of was so bad and so horrific that Jesus said it would be better to pluck your eye out of cut your hand off then to even risk committing a sin that could send you there.

Hades is not that place.. Those in hades will still stand before Christ it is no permanent. The permanent place is where Jesus sends those who are delivered to him from Hades

The second death is what is so horrific it is better to cut our eye out then risk even the possibility of going there

That's right, the "lake of fire" Jesus compared to the perpetual burning garbage pit outside Jerusalem, called the valley of Hinnom. Just the fact that the abode of hell (Hades) goes into that "lake of fire" SHOULD be enough for anyone to know that hell and the lake of fire are two different things.

 

[Davy]

So do you think that Christ was joking about the fire?

How do you mean that, because I never said the lake of fire was not real?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You mean scary thread, because I'm not the only one here talking about this matter.

No, I was talking about your post in particular

That's right, Hades (hell) is not the future "lake of fire" event of Revelation 20:14. You would have realized that's what I was talking about in my post, IF... you had actually read my post.

No. Hades s not future, Hell is. Jesus said so when he said the fire that shall never be quenched where the worm does nto die. Thats hell my friend. Not hades. Hades is a temporary resting place of the dead. (Dead to Christ)

That's right, the "lake of fire" Jesus compared to the perpetual burning garbage pit outside Jerusalem, called the valley of Hinnom. Just the fact that the abode of hell (Hades) goes into that "lake of fire" SHOULD be enough for anyone to know that hell and the lake of fire are two different things.

Ok if you say so

Semantics.

 

[Marymog]

AJ is a JW.

Oh....I didn't know that. Thank you.

 

[Marymog]

AJ is also AOK.

What is an "AOK"?

 

[Davy]

No, I was talking about your post in particular

No. Hades s not future, Hell is. Jesus said so when he said the fire that shall never be quenched where the worm does nto die. Thats hell my friend. Not hades. Hades is a temporary resting place of the dead. (Dead to Christ)

Ok if you say so

Semantics.

Sorry, but you are still confused about the wordage in English.

The word "hell" in The New Testament is not always the same GREEK word in the The New Testament Greek manuscripts. Twelve times it is 'geena' (NT1067 per Strong's). Other times it is 'haides' (NT:86 per Strong's).

You can easily find this out if you look it up in a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.

For example:
The Matthew 10:28 "hell" is 'geena' in the Greek manuscripts, which is put for the future "lake of fire" of Revelation 20:14.

But the Luke 16:23 "hell" where the 'rich man' was taken to when he died, is 'haides' in the Greek, meaning the 'abode of the wicked', a holding place that exists right now for the wicked, like a heavenly type prison.

 

[Grailhunter]

How do you mean that, because I never said the lake of fire was not real?

One way or another, how many times do you think fire is associated with eternal punishment in the New Testament?
Right around 30 times.

An eternal fire.

And sometimes Christ referred to eternal punishment as darkness and gnashing of teeth.

Now Christ is going to be the one that understand the composition of hellfire.

The Quantum mechanics or physics of it.....fire....flares of heat do not have to give off light. It would make some sense that those that are separated from God would not be in the presence of light.

Eternally burnt in utter darkness.

Can we comprehend the horrors of hell? Christ did His best to explain it from every angle.

 

[Davy]

One way or another, how many times do you think fire is associated with eternal punishment in the New Testament?
Right around 30 times.

An eternal fire.

And sometimes Christ referred to eternal punishment as darkness and gnashing of teeth.

Now Christ is going to be the one that understand the composition of hellfire.

The Quantum mechanics of it.....fire....flares of heat do not have to give off light. It would make some sense that those that are separated from God would not be in the presence of light.

Eternally burnt in utter darkness.

Can we comprehend the horrors of hell? Christ did His best to explain it from every angle.

You sound confused just like Eternally Grateful about the word "hell" in The New Testament English.

Why don't you do yourself a favor and get a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, or whatever New Testament Greek Lexicon you prefer, and LOOK UP that NT word "hell" per the Greek. And then you won't make foolish assumptions like the above.

 

[Grailhunter]

You sound confused just like Eternally Grateful about the word "hell" in The New Testament English.

Why don't you do yourself a favor and get a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, or whatever New Testament Greek Lexicon you prefer, and LOOK UP that NT word "hell" per the Greek. And then you won't make foolish assumptions like the above.

Oh you so funny! I am well knowledgeable of the biblical languages and the Strong's is great book for amateurs. Not for anything serious.

 

[Davy]

Oh you so funny! I am well knowledgeable of the biblical languages and the Strong's is great book for amateurs. Not for anything serious.

Ah... the Strong's has been a mainstay Christian study tool for many decades! Dr. James Strong provided Christianity with a great work.

Only those who dislike the definitions Dr. James Strong gave in his work would say something like you did, assigning it to amateur status. Some self-serving idiots have been making abridged versions of Strong's work just to prevent Bible students from seeing His Lexicon definitions. Wonder just who... would be behind something like that??

 

[Wrangler]

What is an "AOK"?

Not WHAT but WHO. @Aunty Jane is all right.

 

[Grailhunter]

Ah... the Strong's has been a mainstay Christian study tool for many decades! Dr. James Strong provided Christianity with a great work.

Only those who dislike the definitions Dr. James Strong gave in his work would say something like you did, assigning it to amateur status. Some self-serving idiots have been making abridged versions of Strong's work just to prevent Bible students from seeing His Lexicon definitions. Wonder just who... would be behind something like that??

Good book just not the best for indepth study.
A short essay on Hell.
Hell and Hades….are not mentioned in the Old Testament for a very good reason. If you have a Bible with these words in the Old Testament….buy another Bible

The word Hell does not appear in the Old or New Testament, because the word did not exist in any of the biblical periods. The word Hell is derived from a few sources, from Anglo-Saxon word hellia, derived from the Old English, Old Norse, Old High German, hel, helle, circa. 725 AD.

Nothing like Hell is described in the Old Testament and then of course God never threatened the Hebrews/ Israelites / Jews with a spiritual destination of punishment. So the Jews in the Old Testament did not know of or believe in a Hell….and as it is, modern Jews do not believe in a Hell or a devil today. Knowledge of a place of punishment does not come about until the knowledge of the devil comes about…that is the New Testament.

Hades --- a Greek word --- cannot appear in the Old Testament because the Old Testament was written before the Greek language existed. So what is Hades? It is a little complex and I am sorry about that. The Apostles were tasked with writing the New Testament in Greek, mostly, and it was a Pagan language. The Greek language was developed by a culture that had a different view on morality and limited theological terms. So the Apostles had to take Greek words of close definitions and adjust them by the context of how they were used. Definitions on the fly! LOL The Apostles were Jewish…Jewish language and religion did not have a word for the Christian Hell in its language and neither did the Greek language.

Hades was translated into more modern languages as Hell. But actually Hades is a Greco-Roman god….that presided over a realm called Hades that was not as much a place of torture but as an underworld prison. It was closest Greek word the Apostles could come up with to represent a place of eternal punishment.

Gehenna the Aramaic name for a section of the Valley of Hinnom was a Roman trash dump that was kept on fire intentionally for sanitation purposes ….it was used as an analogy of Hell.

Again Christ and the Apostles explained an eternal fiery torment using the limitations of the languages. With all the explanations and examples given to deny this eternal punishment is driven by a desire to be heretical.
Same goes for Christ not being a full-fledged God.

The Gnostics did the same thing with Yahweh. Religion is not about what you like or dislike. The Jehovah's Witnesses Religion is a lie! They don't even know the name of God the Father. The Gnostic religion and the Jehovah's Witnesses religion are heretical false religions.