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Paul said he will boast in his infirmities.Weakness not sickness! And it gos on to so when I am weak, then I am made strong, and it is at that point the God is glorified.
That is falling under the same principal as Ananias who dropped dead after fibbing to the Holy Spirit. Communion is a holy thing, the Blood is holy - doing it in an unworthy manner brings a curse upon themselves. Does not mean it is Gods will, but there sin brought with it sickness and death.
this is the part I hate about health and wealth.I have to go to work, so I will close my comments with what one preachers says that I like....
"If you believe it, it will work; if your don't, it won't!"
I have to go to work, so I will close my comments with what one preachers says that I like....
"If you believe it, it will work; if your don't, it won't!"
hey brother. I would think on a christian site people would know the scriptures. so I do not always post. I paraphrase.
but here you go. I can see why we need to post scripture also..
On this . . .5 Now He could do no mighty work there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And He marveled because of their unbelief. Then He went about the villages in a circuit, teaching. (Mark 6:4-6)
Our faith is indispensable to our healing. He will not act on our behalf if we do not believe Him for it. MANY other scriptures to this effect, but I am waiting for others to post them so I hopefully don't have to.
Weakness not sickness! And it gos on to so when I am weak, then I am made strong, and it is at that point the God is glorified.
Jesus only did what He saw the Father do, only said what the Father said. That's Scripture, but I forget the reference. So if Jesus didn't heal many people there, it was because the Holy Spirit was not giving the healings through Him, do we agree there?
The why of it, Why the Holy Spirit did not do many works of power through Jesus at that time, I can only speculate.
That's right. Even though everyone who came to Jesus of Nazareth was healed, later on not everyone was healed. Some did not even come to Him, or have faith for healing, but He healed them all. And many of His miracles are not even recorded.It would seem to me that not everyone is healed. As far as "should be healed", I wouldn't know, but I'm guessing Trophimus wasn't to have been healed.
I've often thought that even though we believe totally in our Salvation we find it much more difficult to have that same degree of faith for healing. And I wonder why.This subject came up in a recent conversation on another thread, and I realized I don't think it's ever been discussed here on this forum before.
That said, the above is a Faith teaching, with which I am familiar. Be advised: I want all contributions to this thread to be respectful of the other people's positions. If not, you may be reported by yours truly. But there is both truth and falsehood in Faith teaching. Any post given should have a scriptural basis, so please post in full the verses you are using to establish your argument.
God bless,
Hidden In Him
No, Mark. Scripture teaches that it is impossible to please God without faith, and that was the principe at work here. Look at how pleased He was with the faith of the Roman centurion, or the Samaritan woman who told Him, "Yes, but even the dogs eat the crumbs from the Master's table." This is why He scolded Isreal, saying, "I have not seen such faith in Israel," and why He got on the disciples sometimes, telling them, "Oh ye of little faith."
If we do not believe God for miracles, He will not do them for us. We must believe that He IS, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. This is why He stressed to them, "If two are more agree as touching anything in My name, it shall be done for them of My Father," and spoke of moving mountains and cursing fig trees, and told Peter to get out and walk on water to Him. He also questioned Peter when he began to sink, and asked, "Why did you doubt?"
Great faith towards God pleases Him. By contrast, a lack of faith in Him grieves Him. It is why James said we must ask in faith and not doubt, and that he who doubts is a "man with two psyches" (I'm referencing the Greek). He doesn't want us being faith schizophrenics who don't know how to believe God for things and receive them in prayer. He wants us to be strong faith; to have faith as a "grain of mustard seed," and Christ Himself was the grain of mustard seed that was sown in the earth as the smallest of seeds but became the largest of trees through His body, the church. It means He wants us to have the same faith towards God that He Himself has.
Everything hinges on faith, Mark. Our faith. No man is saved without it.
Yes, but Scripture does not teach that God cannot work on our behalf without our specific faith in that particular thing coming to pass. Again, the faithless dead were raised, for instance.No, Mark. Scripture teaches that it is impossible to please God without faith, and that was the principe at work here.
If we do not believe God for miracles, He will not do them for us.
Everything hinges on faith, Mark. Our faith. No man is saved without it.
I think of the man at the Beatiful Gate.That's right. Even though everyone who came to Jesus of Nazareth was healed, later on not everyone was healed. Some did not even come to Him, or have faith for healing, but He healed them all. And many of His miracles are not even recorded.
It would be nice to think that all Christians should always be healed physically, but that is not how it works. Even Paul was not be healed of his "thorn in the flesh" (a physical disability).
This subject came up in a recent conversation on another thread, and I realized I don't think it's ever been discussed here on this forum before.
That said, the above is a Faith teaching, with which I am familiar. Be advised: I want all contributions to this thread to be respectful of the other people's positions. If not, you may be reported by yours truly. But there is both truth and falsehood in Faith teaching. Any post given should have a scriptural basis, so please post in full the verses you are using to establish your argument.
God bless,
Hidden In Him
Amen! I have also witnessed a sister in Christ suffering in terrible pain for the last few weeks of life, who blessed every one of her many visitors until her time was finished. Her work was done!lol.. Ok..
God is glorified in weakness is what I read.
God uses people who have illness to help other people with the same illness come to God.
I have even it myself.. Even in death, I have seen God glorified through the testimony of the one who died after years of suffering.
Scriptures, everyone. No one is going to become any better educated on this matter if we are all just batting opinions around at each other and stating what we "read" somewhere.
Cite scripture.
Yes, but Scripture does not teach that God cannot work on our behalf without our specific faith in that particular thing coming to pass. Again, the faithless dead were raised, for instance.
Are we trusting God for things we don't know?
Our faith is not God's on/off switch. When I took a 4X fatal overdose, and lived, it wasn't mine, or anyone else's faith that negated the effect of those pills, only God's intent that I would live.
Saved . . . healed from sickness . . . healed from infirmity . . . protected against sickness . . . against infirmity . . . You said saved, I thought we were talking about being healed.
My question is why we cannot trust God that He allows our infirmities for His Own reasons, and that even when infirm, we are still being cared for faithfully by Jesus?
Acts 3:1-11 KJV
1) Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.
2) And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
3) Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.
4) And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.
5) And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.
6) Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
7) And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
8) And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.
9) And all the people saw him walking and praising God:
10) And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.
11) And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering.
This man . . . his entire life he was carried to this gate to the temple. How many times was Jesus in Jerusalem? Visiting the temple? Walked right past this man? Everyone knew him. Why had he not been healed?
It is all God's time, is it not, along with everything else for us to use as good stewards along with everything else?
"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;" Ecc 3:1-3