Should Christians Always Be Healed?

[Eternally Grateful]

Remember, Paul, as a wealthy roman citizen who has monetary wealth and also public health as he was seen as a leader in thing. Gave it all up and died a poor man to spread the word.

 

[GaryAnderson]

More technically, the expression is "Word of Faith" teaching. "Faith teaching" is just an abbreviated form of it.

In short, "Word of Faith teaching holds that God wants his people to prosper in all areas of life, including finances, health, marriage, and relationships. Word of Faith teaches that God's blessing empowers his people to achieve the Bible's promises. Thus, suffering does not come from God, but from Satan."

You can read more here:
Word of Faith - Wikipedia

‘Thank you for explaining, I had no idea.
Tying this to scripture, wouldn’t the story of Job in the Bible validate this teaching?

 

[Faithbuilders]

When it says some people get ill just so God can be glorified.

No place does it say that, in fact, if you do a study, you will find every place where there is sickness, and God being glorified, God was glorified when the person was healed!

 

[Faithbuilders]

Remember, Paul, as a wealthy roman citizen who has monetary wealth and also public health as he was seen as a leader in thing. Gave it all up and died a poor man to spread the word.

Scripture reference please! And even if that were so, he also was never married for the Gospels sake, so should we all do the same.

 

[marks]

"someone stole my screw driver, so I used a butter knife" Does that mean I did not want to use a screw driver? No, the butter knife was there, and I used it to to get result!

The devil makes sick, or sometimes it is our own foolishness that makes us sick. Does that mean God made you sick to teach you something.... NO! God can use what the devil meant for evil, and turn it around for good.... but in the end, Jesus still healed you, and you should walk in that health. It may or may not take time, they may be something we need to do... like change our eating. But that does not change Gods will for us to be healed.

Being part of a dead humanity is not a prescription for health. Living on a wrecked planet doesn't help! We were made for the garden. Our bodies are not what they were, the garden is gone, and here we are, sick and dying. What should anyone expect??

Does God intend that His children all live without sickness, but not do it? What sense would that make?

Much love!

 

[Hidden In Him]

To everyone posting: Remember to cite scripture itself in your argument. Mark appears to be the only one doing so as of yet.

I don't know why Trophimus was not healed (at that time - the healing still could have come, but may have been delayed for some reason); does that change the scripture, does that bible say "by His stripes some are healed" or "by His striped you might be healed?" No! Jesus took all sickness, pain, weakness on the cross; and healed you by His striped, plus redeemed you from the curse of the law, that is ALL sickness!

Ok Faithbuilders, thank you for responding. Let me show you a passage and you give me your interpretation of what it is saying, particularly v.30.

27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. (1 Corinthians 11:27-32)

 

[Hidden In Him]

@Heart2Soul and @Mayflower. You two may find this conversation interesting as well.

Just a heads up
- H

 

[marks]

Ummmmm because healing and prosperity comes from Him!

God has chosen the poor in this world to be rich in faith.

So, if a poor person is rich in faith they stop being poor? Or are they rich in faith while being poor?

Paul wrote that he knew both how to abound, and how to be abased, speaking in context of having lots of provision, and having little to no provision, and that he could do all things through Christ's strength in him. Is that to say, he could faith himself to abounding from abased? But then, why, by faith, should he ever BE abased? That makes no sense to me.

We can have little and lots, we can be outwardly decaying, but in Christ the inner man is being restored, and we are being matured by the things we suffer.

I don't think we should spend too much time focusing on ourselves, and asking why things happen the way they do, at least, not so we lose focus on Jesus, and just knowing He is with us, caring for us, at all times, in all needed ways.

Much love!

 

[Hidden In Him]

‘Thank you for explaining, I had no idea.
Tying this to scripture, wouldn’t the story of Job in the Bible validate this teaching?

Yes, it would actually, and the contrast between Faith teaching and orthodox teaching on the subject is interesting.

It's a long discussion, so let me see if we actually get there or not. But for the record, most Faith teachers hold that Job brought his troubles upon himself by walking in fear (i.e. as supposedly proven by how he stated after his children died, "what I feared has come upon me.") The problem with this position is that the entire narrative of the book paints Job as a righteous man (including by God Himself), and it is his friends who are in error by saying he was not.

The message of the book is that God vindicated Job for his righteousness, not that Job blew it by walking in fear but got it together at the end. Job serves as the earliest foreshadowing of Christ in the Bible, in that he actually walked sinless before God in the matters Satan accused him of, and remained faithful to God in spite of being allowed by Him to suffer for things he was never guilty of, though Satan said he would be.

 

[Cassandra]

I don't know what some people think it is, but Faith teaching is simply believing the Word of God to matter what it looks like!

I don't know why Trophimus was not healed (at that time - the healing still could have come, but may have been delayed for some reason); does that change the scripture, does that bible say "by His stripes some are healed" or "by His striped you might be healed?" No! Jesus took all sickness, pain, weakness on the cross; and healed you by His striped, plus redeemed you from the curse of the law, that is ALL sickness!

To say that God will heal some, but might not heal all would be to call God a liar, when He said that He is no respecter of persons, what He has done for one, He WILL do for another!

There are things that block healing, not having faith for it, unforgiveness, to name a couple.

I know that God does not lie; I know His Word does not lie.... so if I am not healed, it is not God, nor his Word that is the issue. The issue lies in me, and it is up to me to find what the blockage might be. Sometimes there is no blockage, we are just to continue the stand on the Word of God until the healing comes.

This man had a double portion of Spirit. And yet, he died of sickness.
"Now Elisha was fallen sick of his sickness whereof he died. And Joash the king of Israel came down unto him, and wept over his face, and said, O my father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No place does it say that, in fact, if you do a study, you will find every place where there is sickness, and God being glorified, God was glorified when the person was healed!

lol.. Ok..

God is glorified in weakness is what I read.

God uses people who have illness to help other people with the same illness come to God.

I have even it myself.. Even in death, I have seen God glorified through the testimony of the one who died after years of suffering.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Scripture reference please! And even if that were so, he also was never married for the Gospels sake, so should we all do the same.

so what wealth did paul have when he died?

why did paul ask for money to help the jerusalem church.. Why did God not grant them prosperity..

 

[Hidden In Him]

In short, "Word of Faith teaching holds that God wants his people to prosper in all areas of life, including finances, health, marriage, and relationships. Word of Faith teaches that God's blessing empowers his people to achieve the Bible's promises. Thus, suffering does not come from God, but from Satan."

You can read more here:
Word of Faith - Wikipedia

@GaryAnderson. Now let me give you and others reading the other side of the story here. There IS actually a place for faith in order for healing to be effected in scripture. This is implied in a great many places, such as when Jesus could do no healing in Galilee precisely because of their LACK of faith there:

1 Then He went out from there and came to His own country, and His disciples followed Him... 4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country, among his own relatives, and in his own house.” 5 Now He could do no mighty work there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And He marveled because of their unbelief. Then He went about the villages in a circuit, teaching. (Mark 6:4-6)

Our faith is indispensable to our healing. He will not act on our behalf if we do not believe Him for it. MANY other scriptures to this effect, but I am waiting for others to post them so I hopefully don't have to.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God has chosen the poor in this world to be rich in faith.

So, if a poor person is rich in faith they stop being poor? Or are they rich in faith while being poor?

Paul wrote that he knew both how to abound, and how to be abased, speaking in context of having lots of provision, and having little to no provision, and that he could do all things through Christ's strength in him. Is that to say, he could faith himself to abounding from abased? But then, why, by faith, should he ever BE abased? That makes no sense to me.

We can have little and lots, we can be outwardly decaying, but in Christ the inner man is being restored, and we are being matured by the things we suffer.

I don't think we should spend too much time focusing on ourselves, and asking why things happen the way they do, at least, not so we lose focus on Jesus, and just knowing He is with us, caring for us, at all times, in all needed ways.

Much love!

well said..

 

[Hidden In Him]

God is glorified in weakness is what I read.

Scriptures, everyone. No one is going to become any better educated on this matter if we are all just batting opinions around at each other and stating what we "read" somewhere.

Cite scripture.

 

[Faithbuilders]

Ok Faithbuilders, thank you for responding. Let me show you a passage and you give me your interpretation of what it is saying, particularly v.30.

27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. (1 Corinthians 11:27-32)

That is falling under the same principal as Ananias who dropped dead after fibbing to the Holy Spirit. Communion is a holy thing, the Blood is holy - doing it in an unworthy manner brings a curse upon themselves. Does not mean it is Gods will, but there sin brought with it sickness and death.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@GaryAnderson. Now let me give you and others reading the other side of the story here. There IS actually a place for faith in order for healing to be effected in scripture. This is implied in a great many places, such as when Jesus could do no healing in Galilee precisely because of their LACK of faith there:

1 Then He went out from there and came to His own country, and His disciples followed Him... 4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country, among his own relatives, and in his own house.” 5 Now He could do no mighty work there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And He marveled because of their unbelief. Then He went about the villages in a circuit, teaching. (Mark 6:4-6)

Our faith is indispensable to our healing. He will not act on our behalf if we do not believe Him for it. MANY other scriptures to this effect, but I am waiting for others to post them so I hopefully don't have to.

while you are correct. a lack of faith can affect healing

We also have, nevertheless not my will lord but yours.

When we pray. We pray for Gods healing according to his will. Knowing God does not always chose to heal.

We have witnessed a great many a healing. At the same time, we have witnessed many who were never healed. in spite of our prayers. But we still saw God work his will in spite of the sickness.. in fact when you look at it. You see things that would have been impossible of God did heal the person.

I would just say we do not always know Gods will.

 

[Faithbuilders]

lol.. Ok..

God is glorified in weakness is what I read.

God uses people who have illness to help other people with the same illness come to God.

I have even it myself.. Even in death, I have seen God glorified through the testimony of the one who died after years of suffering.

Weakness not sickness! And it gos on to so when I am weak, then I am made strong, and it is at that point the God is glorified.

 

[Faithbuilders]

This man had a double portion of Spirit. And yet, he died of sickness.
"Now Elisha was fallen sick of his sickness whereof he died. And Joash the king of Israel came down unto him, and wept over his face, and said, O my father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof"

The OT was diffrent than what we have now, Elisha did not have Jesus taking his sickness, nor the stripes of Jesus, nor was he redeemed from the curse of the law as we are today.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Scriptures, everyone. No one is going to become any better educated on this matter if we are all just batting opinions around at each other and stating what we "read" somewhere.

Cite scripture.

hey brother. I would think on a christian site people would know the scriptures. so I do not always post. I paraphrase.

but here you go. I can see why we need to post scripture also..

2 Corinthians 12:9
And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

the word infirmity literally means a weakness, sickness disease..