A NEW TAKE ON THE AOD

[nenagana]

A NEW TAKE ON THE AOD Part 3
(Part 1 Summary.........Luke's Genealogy = Joseph's Fulfillment...........Matthew's Genealogy = Joseph's Disappointment)

(Part 2 Summary........."Joseph's Fulfillment tied to God's Blessing for the Son of Man"......................"Joseph's Disappointment tied to the sin of ephraim/moab, the Jewish People Specifically"

Part 3 Summary............Joseph's Blessing for the Son of Man, exposes, the Human Dirth Generational Decay argument (for some genetic lines this is more severe or encompasing) (Back to Topic)

(we will try to talk in simple terms)

(God allows only angels to have the title of "son of man" in the old testament, and God only allows "pyramid builders/and/their soulmates" (daughters of god, into the companions of god, from genesis), to have the title of "son of man" in the new testament..................this is an account for the New Testament)

(The Pyramid Builder, recieves his Gift, dead or alive the argument is not attached to a flesh and blood body, that is for satan a snare, she is historically called a "HOLY PIG" or compared to a beast)

(you have women, or unclean people, trying to tare into this relationship, but this "covenant" is not attached to humanity God references this "covenant" of the pyramid builder for other reasons)

GENESIS 25:19 And these [are] the generations of Isaac, Abraham's son: Abraham begat Isaac:
GENESIS 25:20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian.
GENESIS 25:21 And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she [was] barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.

(Jacob saw his son issac's soulmate, she would later be called his wife, but Jacob was a sinner, and did not understand that he was not commanded to kill either his son issac or his son's soulmate the ram/goat) (God later resolved that controversy at Issac's 40th year of life or death) (the flesh and blood body, is just a marker for god's action)
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(God said to moses, that, even if people tried to take your family away from you, or you tried to remove mankind as a witness, regardless of that. You were entitled from god, and would be blessed either way................it was a general standard of the 40th year or etc, God blessed moses for the last 40 years of his life, instead of the natural way which was at his 40th year) (we said this a few times, that Aaron was his soulmate, died at the same time as moses, and adorned herself with ear-rings, fine clothing, and ceremonies to please moses in her day as the gospel records)

ISAIAH 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.
ISAIAH 27:2 In that day sing ye unto her, A vineyard of red wine.
ISAIAH 27:3 I the LORD do keep it; I will water it every moment: lest [any] hurt it, I will keep it night and day.
ISAIAH 27:4 Fury [is] not in me: who would set the briers [and] thorns against me in battle? I would go through them, I would burn them together.
ISAIAH 27:5 Or let him take hold of my strength, [that] he may make peace with me; [and] he shall make peace with me.
ISAIAH 27:6 He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.

(the "pyramid builder and his soulmate" are united as a family, and they are apart of the cyclical behavior god allows, in exposing the generational decay argument of humanity, its "accusation against god", and the subject of revelation)

(Even in the New Testament, there was no new language introduced for this argument) (there was a question about the Roman that "killed a (holy pig) pig and poured out the broth" in jerusalem, that lead to the slaughter of the jews................in reality....................God resolves that family, and his soulmate would have to come down from the angelic habitation, its not a work for a son of man or pyramid builder to perform, and because history is unfaithful on the issue of faith and the family we'll have to keep watch)

 

[Davy]

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe ... ?
Wow, three brothers in Christ disagree with a basic doctrine:
Ronald Nolette, Keraz and Davy.

All the scriptures presented are true and harmonize, so what is missing?
There must be a common denominator?
A New Covenant was promised to the house of Israel. But at that time they were not told that branches would be broken off so that the Gentiles could be grafted into the VINE. And the promise remains for Israel, because it hasn't fully been fulfilled.
The Church did not replace Israel and Rom. 11 proves that their blindness will be removed and they will be grafted back into the VINE.
Scripture supports scripture.
I'd like to add another harmonious scripture to those:
Gen.18:22
"In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."

You are silly, and that's all there is to it.

Of course I don't agree with all the ideas others have here, including Keraz, and Nolette and I don't agree on a lot of Scriptures.

But just to let you know God sees what you tried to do with that, "three brothers" disagreeing with each other idea, which makes you guilty of bearing false witness. And you only do that because of how YOU have been thoroughly grilled over some of the Jewish traditions you TRY to introduce into Christian Doctrine. That's right, I'm one of the few here that can see right through your game, and you just don't like it. Tough!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

But just to let you know God sees what you tried to do with that, "three brothers" disagreeing with each other idea, which makes you guilty of bearing false witness.

I am silly at times, 66 years old and still playful and childlike.
Bearing false witness, really? It was an observation. And notice I agreed with everyone of you in part yet disagreed in full.
Christ would say ALL scripture is in harmony too. So when people disagree, either someone has to be wrong, we can all be wrong too, but can't all be right.
By offering yet my view in addition to all of yours, I AM INCLUDING MYSELF IN THE MIX.
1. Eeny,
2. Meeny,
3. Miny
4. Moe ( that would be me)

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

And you only do that because of how YOU have been thoroughly grilled over some of the Jewish traditions you TRY to introduce into Christian Doctrine

Lol. I grill some barbecue on occasion, but Jewish traditions? I am not Legalist, don't celebrate Jewish feasts, am totally a literalist and Born Again Christian. You continue to misrepresent me with these mean spirited accusations.
You need to drink a cup of joy and peace - Pray, go off by yourself and meditate on good thoughts, comforting scriptures ... or something.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You fail to understand who the House of Israel is, after Jesus came to save them. Matthew 15:24
They are the Christian peoples, from every tribe, race, nation and language. ALL descendants of Abraham by faith, Galatians 3:26-29

Any ideas that the Jewish people are still God's chosen people, is an error and conflicts with the whole NT Message.

By whose authority did you take the house of Israel and say they are now Christians. It is definitely not the Word of God.

Yes I fail to understand it, for it is not true.

What you fail to understand is that the children of Israel are accoounted by being children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, not just Abraham. Abraham gave birth to Ishmael as well. All the Bible says is that all nations will be blessed through Abraham and we are children of Abraham by faith. It does not say that we are children of Abraham, Isaace and Jacob by Faith.

Also according to your reinterpreting Scripture we have a crazy problem. If Israel is now all believers (Jew and Gentile) then

Romans 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: So to translate according to YOUR rule:
not all believers are believers.

Romans 10:1
King James Version

10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

But your translation would be--.....prayer to God for believers is they might be saved.


Rom. 11: 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Believers have not obtained.

I could go on and on but we have already danced around the fact that you say some references to Israel are Israel and some are the church. that is just foolishness, because those who disagree with you, you call them wrong as if you are the final arbiter of which Israel is Israel and which means the church. but I will take the Word as written and not mystically reinterpreted when it says Israel is the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, not just Abraham.

1. Genesis 21:12
   And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Romans 9:7
   Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
3. Hebrews 11:18
   Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

So yes, we are children of Abraham in or by or through faith but that does not make gentile believers spiritual Israel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The passage is quoted by the writer of the epistle to the Hebrews, the theme of which is the obsolesence of the Old Covenant and the excellence of the New Covenant, one of the features of the latter being the inclusion of Gentile believers.

Heb 7:22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

Heb 12:22-24 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, (23) to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, (24) to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

Don't know why you posted this on the AOD thread, but:

1. Who is the book of Hebrews written to? CLUE: HEBREWS

2. who was the Old covenant made with? CLUE: HEBREWS!

3. Whom did God say He would make a new covenant with? HRBREWS!

4. Who broke the old covenant? CLUE: HEBREWD!

Do you see a pattern here???????

Jesus is the surety of the covenant:

engyos ἐν (G1722) and guion (a limb)
Greek Inflections of ἔγγυος ἔγγυος — 1x
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: surety (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage G1722 and γυῖον guîon (a limb); pledged (as if articulated by a member), i.e. a bondsman:—surety.

Jesus is the sponsor or bondsmen of the New Covenant.

Also when one is mediating something- (in this case a covenant)n That means that thing (covenant) has not gone into effect yet. And that makes perfect sense when we see what all the provisions of the New Covenant in total are:

Jeremiah 31:31-36
King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.


So it is 100% appropriate that the writer of Hebrews would be writing alot about the supremacy of the new covenant God has made to Israel versus the old covenant God made with Israel. this is an evangelistic letter to Jewish people to forsake the old and recognize the new way god forgives sin.

 

[Keraz]

By whose authority did you take the house of Israel and say they are now Christians. It is definitely not the Word of God.

Role Reversal:

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
However, it is only a few of the many generations of believers since the time of Jesus, who have understood the truth of how the amazing role reversals in God’s great plan have unfolded in world history. Consider; Jacob - Esau, Joseph - Reuben.

The majority who have been taught only part of the Gospel, now naively believe that Israel, namely the Jewish people as an ethnic group still have a place in God’s plan and the Christians will be removed to safety.

Amos 3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. Amos 2:4-5

As everyone knows, the Jewish nation refused the leadership of Jesus Christ. Despite the fact of the free gift of the Lord’s unmerited favor being now available to all peoples, many Christians refuse to accept any termination of God’s grace towards physical Israel, instead insisting the salvation of all the Jews in Christ will happen when Jesus Returns. They do this because the separation of Israel and the Church is an immutable tenet of the rapture theory.

But the Old Testament prophets stated the redemption of the remnant of Israel was to happen in a way that would cause the roles to reverse when it occurred.

In the passage that speaks of Israel as the “clay” and the Lord as the “potter,” Jeremiah 18:1-6, saw how the Lord was going to reconfigure Israel from a flesh and blood family into a spiritual entity, through Jesus. John 3:16

Romans 9:8…It isn’t the children of Abraham by natural descent who are the people of God, but all those born into God’s Promise, Jesus, who are the true children of faith.


Isaiah 29:14-16 & Habakkuk 1:5 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a great work and a wonder…Surely Your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? You will not believe this work when you are told of it.

The “work”, or the object of the potter’s effort, was the advent of Jesus and His atoning sacrifice for all people and it was performed to fulfill God’s promise to bring about the spiritual Israel of God, consisting of individuals from every race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10

As the Apostle Paul spoke Romans 9:21 to the Jews who rejected the salvation offered by Jesus, he indicated the long prophesied role reversal, in which the Lord’s chosen people transitioned from an earthly family to a Spiritual body, had occurred in the astonishing life of the carpenter from Nazareth: Matthew 28:19

Acts 13:26-27 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you fears God, to you is the Word of this salvation sent. For they that dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every Sabbath day, that they have fulfilled those prophesies in condemning Jesus.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
However, it is only a few of the many generations of believers since the time of Jesus, who have understood the truth of how the amazing role reversals in God’s great plan have unfolded in world history. Consider; Jacob - Esau, Joseph - Reuben.

The majority who have been taught only part of the Gospel, now naively believe that Israel, namely the Jewish people as an ethnic group still have a place in God’s plan and the Christians will be removed to safety.

This is even sadder than the manyother trimes you spewed this.

a pre-trib rapture is the minority position in believing churches. The majority of believers are mid-trib, post trib. post millenial or even reject a rapture and they all use mystical wisdom like you to justify their positions.

But I don't want to do this dance with you now about a sixth or seventh time on two different forums. We will just let time tell anmd we will se that All Israel being saved, means just that, at one point in time during the 70th week of Daniel, every Jew alive will be saved! Proof?

Ezekiel 20:33-39
King James Version

33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:

34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.

37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

39 As for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; Go ye, serve ye every one his idols, and hereafter also, if ye will not hearken unto me: but pollute ye my holy name no more with your gifts, and with your idols.

But according to the bible according to Kerasz- this now refers to believers and not Israel!(Jews)

Zechariah 13:8-9
King James Version

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Once again, according to your translation this refers to the church and not the people of Israel.

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

I am guessing here, but I assume gentiles now means unsaved of all races?? I don't know, I don't have the kerasz translation of the bible.

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

this one is a pip! Translating this accurately according ot your wisdom this now reads:

"blindness in part has happened to believers, until the fulness of the -------9whatedver gentile now means in your translation) and so all believers will be saved. I guess you think me one of the blinded ones because i do not bow down at teh altar of your reinterpretation of the Word of god.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Don't know why you posted this on the AOD thread, but:

1. Who is the book of Hebrews written to? CLUE: HEBREWS

2. who was the Old covenant made with? CLUE: HEBREWS!

3. Whom did God say He would make a new covenant with? HRBREWS!

4. Who broke the old covenant? CLUE: HEBREWD!

Do you see a pattern here???????

Jesus is the surety of the covenant:

engyos ἐν (G1722) and guion (a limb)
Greek Inflections of ἔγγυος ἔγγυος — 1x
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: surety (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage G1722 and γυῖον guîon (a limb); pledged (as if articulated by a member), i.e. a bondsman:—surety.

Jesus is the sponsor or bondsmen of the New Covenant.

Also when one is mediating something- (in this case a covenant)n That means that thing (covenant) has not gone into effect yet. And that makes perfect sense when we see what all the provisions of the New Covenant in total are:

Jeremiah 31:31-36
King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.


So it is 100% appropriate that the writer of Hebrews would be writing alot about the supremacy of the new covenant God has made to Israel versus the old covenant God made with Israel. this is an evangelistic letter to Jewish people to forsake the old and recognize the new way god forgives sin.

That promise/covenant was made with the Israelites and it hasn't been fulfilled yet _ for them. But it is the EXACT same Covenant He made with ALL who believe in Christ since His death and resurrection.
It is going to be that same revelation of Christ, that same spiritual enlightenment that we all have experienced. Certainly it will be presented to them in a different and powerful way. It is likely that when He returns and "every eye sees Him", that may be their moment!

 

[Stumpmaster]

So it is 100% appropriate that the writer of Hebrews would be writing alot about the supremacy of the new covenant God has made to Israel versus the old covenant God made with Israel. this is an evangelistic letter to Jewish people to forsake the old and recognize the new way god forgives sin.

Exactly, the Judaisers were under the impression that any Gentile wanting to enter into covenant relationship with God had to be regulated by Jewish Law, Ceremony, and Custom, but the epistle to the Hebrews addresses them as being "dull of hearing" and in need of "teaching again" and like babies on milk because they were "unskilled in the word of righteousness".

Heb 5:11-14 of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. (12) For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. (13) For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. (14) But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

The Judaizing Hebrews had to accept that under the New Covenant of Christ's blood they and the Christian Gentiles were "one new man".

Why do you think God gave Peter and Cornelius the visions described in Acts 10?

Act 10:34-35 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. (35) But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.

 

[Keraz]

Act 10:34-35 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. (35) But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.

Exactly.
It follows therefore; that the nation, [people group] who do not fear God, work righteousness, or accept Jesus are condemned and will be destroyed.
The idea of a general Jewish redemption is never stated in the Bible, but their virtual demise certainly is. Isaiah 22:14

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Exactly, the Judaisers were under the impression that any Gentile wanting to enter into covenant relationship with God had to be regulated by Jewish Law, Ceremony, and Custom, but the epistle to the Hebrews addresses them as being "dull of hearing" and in need of "teaching again" and like babies on milk because they were "unskilled in the word of righteousness".

Heb 5:11-14 of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. (12) For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. (13) For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. (14) But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

The Judaizing Hebrews had to accept that under the New Covenant of Christ's blood they and the Christian Gentiles were "one new man".

Why do you think God gave Peter and Cornelius the visions described in Acts 10?

Act 10:34-35 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. (35) But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.

Well the letter to the Hebrews were not to Judaizers, but to Jews who had been fellowshipping with the Jewish believers but had not given their lives to Christ yet, based on the how the letter is written.

Teh Judaizers were unsaved opponents or saved Jews compelling gentiles to submit to the Mosaic covenant. This letter would not have been so mild. It would have been more like Pauls letter to the Galatians and his condemnation of the Judaizers.

As for why Acts 10? Peter was given the keys of the kingdom and He was responsible to open the doors of the gospel first to Jews, then Samaritans, then to the Gentile world. You need to remember that Peter and the believers in Israel were not given th eordinances for the gentiles. Paul was given that in teh four years He spent being taught by Jesus in the desert. It was Paul and not Peter who was the apostles to the gentiles. Once Peter heard the teachings of Paul, He recognized them as from the Lord. But make no mistake, the rules governing teh gentiles were not given in teh 3 1/2 years the apostles were with Jesus.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That promise/covenant was made with the Israelites and it hasn't been fulfilled yet _ for them. But it is the EXACT same Covenant He made with ALL who believe in Christ since His death and resurrection.
It is going to be that same revelation of Christ, that same spiritual enlightenment that we all have experienced. Certainly it will be presented to them in a different and powerful way. It is likely that when He returns and "every eye sees Him", that may be their moment!

You can't even see how you even contradict yourself!

Sentence one: "But it is the EXACT same covenant..."
Sentence two: "...presented in a different and powerful...".

It can't be the same and different.

And once again please show me in the New Covenant as listed in jeremiah 31 where the church or a single gentile is mentioned.

Jeremiah 31:31-36
King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

there is not another new covenant anywhere in the bible.

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Sentence one: "But it is the EXACT same covenant..."
Sentence two: "...presented in a different and powerful...".

It can't be the same and different

It appears you have no depth of understanding. Exact meaning by grace through faith in Christ. The path to Christ, consisting of how each and everyone of us were kes to Christ were different. My testimony was different than anyone else's. It was unique and God orchestrated it. Of cource we can all say faith comes by the Word. We were either invitwd to a churxh service or just walked in; we heard the Gospel and it penetrated and wenwere drawn to return until we believed.
But it will be quite a different experience for the Jews when God opens their eyes. Will they hear Two Witnesses, actual prophets come down and preach and perform miraculous things? Or will they see Christ coming in the clouds?
Quite different experience than we had, yet spiritually, their conversion will be the same.
As for Deut. 31 - I answered that already. I'm tired of repeating myself over and over.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It appears you have no depth of understanding. Exact meaning by grace through faith in Christ. The path to Christ, consisting of how each and everyone of us were kes to Christ were different. My testimony was different than anyone else's. It was unique and God orchestrated it. Of cource we can all say faith comes by the Word. We were either invitwd to a churxh service or just walked in; we heard the Gospel and it penetrated and wenwere drawn to return until we believed.
But it will be quite a different experience for the Jews when God opens their eyes. Will they hear Two Witnesses, actual prophets come down and preach and perform miraculous things? Or will they see Christ coming in the clouds?
Quite different experience than we had, yet spiritually, their conversion will be the same.
As for Deut. 31 - I answered that already. I'm tired of repeating myself over and over.

Well it only appears I am shallow to you who loves to rewrite Scriptures, but in that you are right! I am not schooled in these secret mysteries and hidden codes.

But it will be quite a different experience for the Jews when God opens their eyes. Will they hear Two Witnesses, actual prophets come down and preach and perform miraculous things? Or will they see Christ coming in the clouds?
Quite different experience than we had, yet spiritually, their conversion will be the same.

Yes it will be a different experience.

We were either invitwd to a churxh service or just walked in; we heard the Gospel and it penetrated and wenwere drawn to return until we believed.

Well I was saved by someone in their home patiently over months showing me the word of God. Then they came to where I was living and I got saved at my moms kitchen table!

And your presumptiousness of my depth of understanding is a shameful sin on your part! I have taugh tclasses and preach and live by grace through faith!

I don't care what God used to bring you to HImself, it is probably similar to others over 2,000 years,

AQs for Deut. 31, I have not discussed this with you, so I don't even know why you bring it up.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Well it only appears I am shallow to you who loves to rewrite Scriptures, but in that you are right! I am not schooled in these secret mysteries and hidden codes.



Yes it will be a different experience.



Well I was saved by someone in their home patiently over months showing me the word of God. Then they came to where I was living and I got saved at my moms kitchen table!

And your presumptiousness of my depth of understanding is a shameful sin on your part! I have taugh tclasses and preach and live by grace through faith!

I don't care what God used to bring you to HImself, it is probably similar to others over 2,000 years,

AQs for Deut. 31, I have not discussed this with you, so I don't even know why you bring it up.

This was your statement: [You can't even see how you even contradict yourself!
Sentence one: "But it is the EXACT same covenant..."
Sentence two: "...presented in a different and powerful...".
It can't be the same and different.]

Bases on your inability.and depth of understanding the meaning of my post, I proceeded to explain _ in depth _ the meaning "exact" in context of my stayement.
I did not imply you didn't have depth at all in general.
Deut. 31 was my error,.I meant Jer. 31.
Anyways, teach, preach ... and eat a peach. May God's truth be your ministry.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

there is not another new covenant anywhere in the bible

Now for the record, are you claiming that the only "New Covenant" is the one you quoted in Jer. 31:31-36, with the house of Israel and Judah AND that Christ does not have a "Covenant" with Christians?

I have taugh tclasses and preach and live by grace through faith!

Where have you taught and with what credentials may I ask? I may have erred by complementing you as a scholar in another thread after you said you taught eschatology for decades. The only place I know where you can get a class like that is in a University, online or in Church. So where did you preach and teach?

 

[nenagana]

A NEW TAKE ON THE AOD Part 4 - Jewish People Removed from the New Testament Covenant

(Based on Fact not Opinion, summary)

1. Luke's Genealogy = Joseph Fulfilled
....Matthew's Genealogy = Joseph Disappointed

2. "Babylon Covenant that Removed Joseph, from the Removed Genetic Lines/Tribes"
MATTHEW 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David [are] fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon [are] fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ [are] fourteen generations.

3. God said The "Babylon Covenant" Removed the Jewish People from the Blessing in the New Testament" (NOT OPINION)
ACTS 7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices [by the space of] forty years in the wilderness?
ACTS 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
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(I understand my statements about "joseph" in the genealogies, specifically tied to the "wives" or "fornication" they recount, was not simple enough............."Jesus Christ is the Wife and we are the Husband in the New Testament"................that is apart of the importance..............because God does not accept good work, prayer, or faith, concerning the new testament of jesus, for many people because they cannot be viewed as the husband...................god has not created the new covenant for all people just for a portion that applies to it, god does not pay for sin for whoever wants it)

(In the Old Testament, God was the husband, and humanity or the faithful was the wife, that is why god performed the work sometimes, not directly, with his angels, in the "dead flesh accusation"...............now that god consideres jesus was the wife and man as the husband, its more important for mankind to have accountability, god does not do mental illness, with its "dead flesh accusation of those removed genetic lines" (god does less work towards those ends, and not more work))
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(the AOD, "Abomination of Desolation", we said accurately is tied to a Jewish Male or the Jewish People, based on their specific involvement "moab/ephraim/hebrews" in the removal of "joseph" in the accounts of matthew's genealogy versus, luke's genealogy) (and this is the "Covenant of Babylon", that is a, or the, legal clause for the removed genetic lines/tribes in the book of revelation)
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(we said that "coronavirus/COVID19", at this stage is impossible to tie to the jewish people or a jewish male as a "patient zero", because of the activity does not follow, the rotting of the body the way the bible describes that argument, tied to prophecy.............so there maybe another evolution, and then at that time, the argument will be face value, and clearly follow the gospel)
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(God gives priority to the Old Testament, this is a Legal Statement, as Legal as the statement of the "Doubling of the Gospel")

(in parenthesis) (this means.................................)
(this means, the genealogy of 1Chronicles1-8, that includes "Joseph", superceeds, the description of "joseph's fulfillment/disappoint", in the new testament restatement of matthew and lukes genealogy)

(God is disputing a "sign or a vision" with "Joseph", versus just rotting the body...............we understand that God views a "sign or a vision" as an entitlement in the gospel's law, generally because, its more valuable with God to divid the faithful and unfaithful, and a "sign or a vision" disrupts apart of that)

(you need to understand) (God will follow through with the, rotting of the body, but humanity may not develope beyond its "suicide pleasure", and may not obtain a "sign or a vision"...............this is a plausible way for humanity to die...................remember Jesus does not come a second time................."Jesus rises out of the temple or out of jerusalem a second time".....................satan maybe able to have a controversy until humanities death, but that is not important with God...................God does not give priority to a "sign or a vision" in disputing with satan the "dead flesh accusation", those genetic lines that have not right to live, but God is not going to resolve that argument)

(everything we've said is legal, true, and actionable...........but subtle, and not much, beyond the rotting of the body, so we'll have to see soon)
(the gospel does not necessarily promote, either genocide, diaspora of the jews, or priority for the last generation versus a few individuals from all generations past with mankind facing the new universe)
(work daily, pray, and enjoy the daily routine, mankind can be filth, the faithful can be praised, and its only a few years until humanities death in 2061 with halley's comet)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This was your statement: [You can't even see how you even contradict yourself!
Sentence one: "But it is the EXACT same covenant..."
Sentence two: "...presented in a different and powerful...".
It can't be the same and different.]

Bases on your inability.and depth of understanding the meaning of my post, I proceeded to explain _ in depth _ the meaning "exact" in context of my stayement.
I did not imply you didn't have depth at all in general.
Deut. 31 was my error,.I meant Jer. 31.
Anyways, teach, preach ... and eat a peach. May God's truth be your ministry.

YHou are right I have a hard time understanding you- you reinteprret SCriptures and bounce all over the place. You can't prove that teh covenant to Israel is another New Covenant to gentiles.

And yes Gods truth (not my opinions) are my ministry.

My students know when I preach Gods Word or am uttering an opinion based on the Word.

So as for my klack of depth of undersatanding the meaning of your words- doesx that mean I should not take what you say literally, but you are speaking in sacfred riddles and I need an allegorical mindset to understand that whay you say is not what you eman?

Does that mean, if I talk to others about your writings I can make my own conclusions lik eother allegorists do about Gods Word???

Now for the record, are you claiming that the only "New Covenant" is the one you quoted in Jer. 31:31-36, with the house of Israel and Judah AND that Christ does not have a "Covenant" with Christians?

Well I await for you to show me the passage where Jesus lists the provisions of a covenant with Christians. Please don't go to the Lords Supper.

Jesus did not say His blood was the covenant- But that His blood is the blood of the NEW covenant! do a bible study on biblical covenants and learn that all covenants need blood to "ratify" them. so the Lords Supper is the blood shed FOR the covenant but is not the covenant and it is for a NEW Covenant. what is the OLD covenant God made with christians?

Where have you taught and with what credentials may I ask? I may have erred by complementing you as a scholar in another thread after you said you taught eschatology for decades. The only place I know where you can get a class like that is in a University, online or in Church. So where did you preach and teach?

Well now you will know there are more places other than University where you can teach a course on eschatology. But other than in church studies ( as a separate study apart from services) I taught at Pioneer Valley Institute of the Bible ( a satellite school of an accredited by Maryland and in Maryland) and also at the First Baptist Institute of the bible which, with my senior Pastor and a staff Pastor, took ten years to create, get the curriculum and receive approval to transfer credits to many Baptist colleges.

The teaching I have doen for over 35 years were all part and parcel of an extended discipleship training program for our church members. I have been privileged to teach men who have gone on to become pastors and missionaries, deacons, and go on to serve and teach other churches. If you need more I can gladly list for you all teh classes and book studies I have done in that time span.

!. Apologetics
2. Genesis 1-11
3. Creation is science, Evolution is not and the evidences
4. OT Survey
5. Life of christ
6. Galatians
7. Ephesians
8. Eschatology
9. Evangelism
10,. How to witness to the cults.
11. Romans
12. Soteriology
13. The Local church.
14. Spiritual Warfare.
15. Eschatology
16. Teh 8 covenants of the bible
17. teh dispensations.

 

[Keraz]

And yes Gods truth (not my opinions) are my ministry.

If only you could spell 'the' correctly!

We will just let time tell anmd we will se that All Israel being saved, means just that, at one point in time during the 70th week of Daniel, every Jew alive will be saved! Proof?

Too bad that every Jew alive after the Lord has Judged them; will be only a small remnant. Isaiah 6:1-13, Romans 9:27

You excel yourself; misspelling 'and, see', is new heights of error.
I don't mean to be rude, but carelessness like this, leads people to think you are careless with your beliefs too.