A NEW TAKE ON THE AOD

[Ronald David Bruno]

How can that be, if the Anti-Christ is going to desecrate the new Temple; 2 Thess 2:4, Daniel 9:27, if Jesus has already Returned?

Well, if you examined post# 89, I explain IMHO that this is prophectic event happened already.

The funny thing about your belief here, is that Ezekiel never does give the dimensions of the new Temple. We have to get that from Ezra 6:3. Rather a telling demonstration of your assumptions and lack of Bible study.
A proper reading of Ezekiel 40 to 48, makes it clear that Jesus has NOT yet Returned then.

Glad to amuse you. We are getting nowhere, you are locked into this Gap Theory. Keep it, no one will convince you otherwise ... until reality finally kicks in.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The 70 weeks concerned Jesus coming? YOu changed your mind and Scripture again?

No I didn't. But maybe I need to spoon feed you since don't discern my post #89? You are wrestling with this concept. Your precious Gap Theory is something you believed and taught others about for decades and you are challenged. What if you are wrong? All the people you taught you misled. Your purpose, years of study, flushed down the drain. All along you thought you were in unity with the Lord's purpose and then realize you weren't. It's okay, there is forgiveness for such an error. You and all the people you misled will snap out of it in a twinkling of an eye.

when did any of these occured in Jesus coming ?

Post #89. As I said the events in 70 AD were not part of the 70 weeks and beyond to the consummation, they were alluded to.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Well let us look at your vaunted post 89 and exegete it against the Word of God shall we? I am assuming you wrote what you meant and we don't have to go all allegorical to understand what you are saying.

"Seventy weeks are determined ...
>God ordains a specific time frame, a prophecy announcing the arrival of Christ, the Savior, the Messiah, whom since the beggining was promised. God is sovereign, He knows the future. Did something happen that changed His mind, something He did not expect - forcing His Hand to change plans and extend, (put a gap in) the last week of the prophecy for 2000 years? NO! He knew exactly what was going to happen! The Messiah came in the last week. The week wasn't completed - didn't have to be. It was accurately stated that He would be cut off<

So God decrees 70 weeks way ahead of time. the omniscient God declares 490 years then you say all 490 years didn't need to be completed. Maybe God had a bad day when He issued a divine decree for 490 years?

...concerning thy people and concerning thy holy city

>This was a message TO the Israelites and Jerusalem - not to the world! <

Yes it was to Israel and it concerned Israel and Jerusalem!

...to finish the transgression and to make an end of sins,
>For those who believed it was finished, their eternity was sealed in Christ. When Jesus said, "It is finished", that is what He meant. In heaven, outside of time, death was defeated. On earth, death was defeated die believers.<

Here is where you go mystical and allegorical. It does not say their salvation was sealed or even alludes to it. It says to end a single transgression and to finish sins (in the Hebrew it is to finish sinning). This is about Israel to stop a specific transgression and stop sinning! Sorry but your "new take" here is not what God wrote.

... and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
> The Law was fuffilled. A way for Man was then made available to be reconciled to God.<

Now you are here like in the previous quote are adding gentiles. You are correct when you said this was for Jews only! Yes Jesus is everyones reconciliation, and He is the only reconciliation for Israel, but Israel has not as a people experienced this reconciliation fully yet.

... and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
>Jesus is righteous. He brought his righteousness and imputed it to believers.<

Yes Jesus is righteous along with the Father and Holy Spirit. but He has not brought in everlasting righteousness to Israel yet.

... and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.
> in order to, to begin to seal up prophecy. The disciples began that process. The New Testament was written, finished and sealed up.

Well the prophecies of the disciples concern the whole world- and I agree with you this is for Israel. Besides you have misunderstood what is being said by seal up the vision and prophecy. It does not mean to finish writing them, but to finish them happening.

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem until the Messiah the Prince, shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks; the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself; and the people of the prince who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. And the end thereof shall be with a flood, and until the end of the war desolations are determined.

>All Historical <

Here we agree! Except for who the prince of the people that shall come.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.
<Jesus brought a New Covenant. He confirmed it throughout His 3 1/2 year ministry, death amd resurrection. He put am end to sacrifice. He was the final sacrifice. The Jews may have blindly cininued, but to God, His Church, it was over.<

Here your lack of grammar knowledge fails you badly. The he in verse 27 must by rule refer to its nearest antecedant in gender and number. That is the prince of the people that shall come- Not Jesus.

And you still fail to show a 7 year covenant Jesus made with Israel. Also once again you make a huge mistake in saying Jesus ended the sacrificial system- He did not! He ended the efficacy of the sacrificial system , that would be written totally different than what God inspired to write! Also it is the prince of the people that shall come who ends the sacrifice and oblation! Not Jesus. Jesus ended the efficacy, not the actual physical sacrifices.

...And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”
>Overspreading of abominations upon the Jews and Jerusalem began and continued throughout history. They are the desolate, who will be enlightened at the consummation. This was an allusion to the end times, their future sufferings within the Church Age, not that it was part of some "gap theory". <

Hold onto your gap theory, it's your prerogative!

Well you disagree with Jesus, which should not be surprising. Jesus declared the abomination of desolation to be an individual:

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand, Do you have an allusion to another AOD that Jesus can be referring to??????? Yes Jews are the desolate of the second mention, but th efirst mention refers to the temple! Little words like "it" and "the" are big big clues!

Yes you have a new take (though not new (preterists have used this for decades). on the AOD, it is like so many other new takes. I will take the word as written and not alluded to and possibles and probable's as you have done as evidence your new take is valid. I could be wrong in timing, but when I take in the whole counsel of Scripture concerning the end and the Abomiantion who makes desolate as it is written, I come up with that "gap theory".

You ahve an omniscient god making a divine decree for 490 years to happen and then say it didn't have to finish- implying God couldn't know when He had the angel come down to prophecy to Daniel. Any way yopu say it you are reinterpreting Scripture with you rallusions and possibles and faulty grammar to support your "new take".

 

[Keraz]

Well, if you examined post# 89, I explain IMHO that this is prophectic event happened already.

Glad to amuse you. We are getting nowhere, you are locked into this Gap Theory. Keep it, no one will convince you otherwise ... until reality finally kicks in.

That the Abomination of Desolation, as prophesied by Jesus, Mathew 24:15, has not yet happened is proved by the record of what did occur in 167 BC, when Antiochus killed a pig on the Altar and in 70 AD, when Titus couldn't stop his troops from burning and destroying the Temple.
Neither incident relate to what is yet to happen in a new Temple, as prophesied by Daniel 9:27, 2 Thess 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2

That there HAS been a gap from 30 AD, when Jesus was Crucified; the end of 69 'weeks', Daniel 9:26a, is proved by the nearly 2000 years passed since then.
The prophesied events of the 70th 'week', to be divided into 2 - 3 1/2 year halves, await fulfilment, as described in Revelation. THEN we will see reality!

 

[ScottA]

What is the Abomination of Desolation? In history, Antiochus Epiphanes sacrificed a pig on the altar of God and then proceeded to kill Israelites and cause desolation to Jerusalem.

That was an example of an abomination and desolation
My understanding of an abomination in the Bible, is anything or anyone that is debased and extremely detestable to God. The Antichrist would be considered an abomination: who he is, his purpose and what he does. What he does is cause desolation, destruction of Gods people, and leaving Jerusalem desolate.


The Christian is now the Temple of the Holy Spirit and so what purpose would a new Temple serve especially when according to Rom. 11, when Jesus returns, He will save a remnant Jewish population and open their eyes? Imagine Jews sacrificing animals once again. It would be the insult to God. But what would be more of an abomination than sacrificing a pig on an altar in a new Temple? Sacrificial killing of Jews and Christians.

Depopulation caused by not only poisonous vaccines, but add to that a collapse of the world economy -- that leads to wars, famine and death.
85% of Israel has received the jab. Many have died from it but the percentage is small. What if the NWO headed by the Antichrist were to first get as many humans in board with this program and then either the vaccine has a destructive accumulative effect or the boosters become the more serious death blow where higher percentages of people die?
Whether you believe it or not, this One World Government sees and is planning a Utopian future world with about 90% less people in it. Since the population has tripled in the last 70 years, the earth will not be able to sustain 24 billion people 70 years from now! They do not believe that the current population can live at the standard of living that the west has. Really only a fraction live at our standard. To eliminate poverty in the world, they must eliminate most of us first.
Would that be an abomination, that causes desolation?
Since much of scripture centers around Jerusalem, it could be that the desolation coming pertains to Israel. Nevertheless, desolation is coming to all nations through pestilence, famine, wars and death.

No.

Jesus clearly stated that "there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven...but the end is not yet."

No, but rather, "when you see the abomination of desolation" (whoever reads, let him understand)...know that the crucifixion of the Son slain before the foundation of the world--and seen outside of Jerusalem, was the greatest of abominations against God. After which came the Beginning and the End.

 

[nenagana]

Well, if you examined post# 89, I explain IMHO that this is prophectic event happened already.


Glad to amuse you. We are getting nowhere, you are locked into this Gap Theory. Keep it, no one will convince you otherwise ... until reality finally kicks in.

That the Abomination of Desolation, as prophesied by Jesus, Mathew 24:15, has not yet happened is proved by the record of what did occur in 167 BC, when Antiochus killed a pig on the Altar and in 70 AD, when Titus couldn't stop his troops from burning and destroying the Temple.
Neither incident relate to what is yet to happen in a new Temple, as prophesied by Daniel 9:27, 2 Thess 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2

That there HAS been a gap from 30 AD, when Jesus was Crucified; the end of 69 'weeks', Daniel 9:26a, is proved by the nearly 2000 years passed since then.
The prophesied events of the 70th 'week', to be divided into 2 - 3 1/2 year halves, await fulfilment, as described in Revelation. THEN we will see reality!

(A Question about Earth)
(guess i'll think about it)

(god does not use language associated with "priests" or with the "priesthood"...............that means mankind has no unified field on earth (due to its human dirth charge), this is descriptive of the new testament)

The "Priesthood" was formerly denounced in Book of Hebrews
(a women in controversy wasn't formerly denounced, that is a tie to joseph in certain circumstances, God denounced the "priesthood", (joseph ties to this earth), god didn't formerly denounce joseph's ties to a women's body in certain circumstances)
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Daniel's Measurement of Seven Years was given under a "Priesthood or a Priest"
Revelation's Measurement of Seven Years was given under a "Women"
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(Revelation's Measurement was given under a "Women" and requires an action God would not otherwise afford from,(an action from, not a rape or a murder gospel, and the argument is not important, so most of what revelation says can be ignored) a son of man or etc. (pyramid builder if that is the former language, or some other circumstance)

The Book of Revelation Seven Years Figures and Claims are generally denounced, by the prophecies of the Lord's Coming the Bible Records
(you take what god offers in his timetable, a controversy or your work doesn't have to be in view)

(Reply)
James, Jude, Revelation, Hebrews ======== THESE BOOKS were removed from the New Testament Bible, for their descriptions of a women's body, or for denouncing the Priesthood/Priest, which god does not use (human dirth charge no unified field) ============== BECAUSE THE SON OF MAN IS ALWAYS HOLY, DANIEL'S LANGUAGE WILL ALWAYS APPLY TO THE SON OF MAN, THE ARGUMENTS FROM JAMES/JUDE/REVELATION/HEBREWS, ARE NOT REQUIRED OR ACTED ON

How did God respond to the Conviction of the New Testament's GAP FIGURES?

(we will give legal answers)

Priesthood/Priest NEW TESTAMENT GAP (applies to, son of man only, not mankind as before, in unified field capacity) (40th birthday or etc)
1335 from Missing Flight 370 to Space Ship Oumuamua
1290 from Space Ship Borisov to "Jupiter Effect Conclusion"
(2017 to 2019 was the GAP recorded on planet jupiter's surface)

Women with GAP FIGURE (for seven years in revelation)
(this answer is only 9/11/2001 Falling Man Moses............God either acts or does not act on the circumstances, this is not really a former sequence or length duration............)

(for whatever reason god acted at that time, but did nothing else, sometimes God will nullify an argument because of humanities sin, or, humanities conflict of interest with a person's testimony............and that was apart of the rebuke)

(in reality, you are beginning to understand the value of martyrdom, with the son of man, and leaving mankind as "blind and dumb", and how that is considerable difference between the faithful and the unfaithful)

(humanity has no will to live, and no will to answer its accusation with god..............the son of man is not, a scapegoat, payment for sin, or the messiah.............if the son of man just lays down and dies, or prays until he is dead or over taken by satan...............then satan will 1000 fold lay down and die and take it own life before the faithful)

(9/11/2001 God nullified or make that action more of an impossibility with the son of man, because that is the very least of what god would do, since mankind is a zero a nothing)

(What God wants to see only is prayer, that is what God god's original precepts for the creation of the judgment program entail, nothing else is important, a "sign or a vision", is an entitlement in god's eyes"...............)

(we have to see what's god's will on the subject over time, because we don't have RABIES, and humanity is going to die for sure, there is no turning back, not variableness in degrees to its day of death about 2061 with halley's comet)
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(theory has it that, Nguyen Van Lem, was a relatively good writer and theologian, but when they went through this writings he was called "the perfect weapon", because martyrdom was his only goal in life, at the right circumstances)

 

[Stumpmaster]

And I suggested that the abomination of desolation has occurred several times in history, not that it wouldn't in the end times.

Yes, well done, Ronald.

"The Reoccurrence Of The Abomination Of Desolation".

• The Atrocities of Antiochus Epiphanes: c.168-167 BC
• The Fall of Jerusalem: 70AD
• The Rise of the Beast: To Be Revealed . . .

 

[PinSeeker]

The term “abomination” (Hebrew toevah and siqqus) appears more than 100 times in the Old Testament and just a few times in the New Testament. An abomination is normally a great sin, commonly worthy of death. Readers immersed in current debates about sexual ethics may first think an abomination is a sexual sin. Indeed, Scripture calls sexual sins like adultery, homosexuality, and bestiality abominations (e.g., Leviticus 18:22, 29-30). But more often throughout the Bible “abomination” refers to major covenant violations, especially idolatry (in Deuteronomy alone, see 7:25, 13:6-16, 17:2-5, 18:9-12, 27:15, 32:16). In the historical books, “abomination” always describes idolatry, often with child sacrifice (1 Kings 11:7, 2 Kings 23:13). Abomination also refers to idolatry in the prophets, including Daniel 9 and 11. (Daniel uses siqqus, a term that always appears in connection with idolatry.)

The interpretation of Daniel 9-11 is difficult and disputed, but it does have some fixed points, and the nature of the abomination that causes desolation is one of them. Daniel 9:26-27 refers to a prince who will destroy the city (Jerusalem) along with its temple and sacrifices, “and on the wings of abominations shall come one who makes desolate.” Two chapters later there is another reference to an “abomination” in connection to the temple: “forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate” (11:31).

Scholars generally agree that the first reference of these prophecies is the Seleucid king Antiochus Epiphanes IV, who ruled Palestine from 175-64 B.C. Antiochus treated Israel with such violence and contempt that they rebelled against him. When he came to suppress the rebellion, his forces entered the temple, stopped the regular sacrifices, set up an idol of or altar for Zeus, and apparently offered swine there as a sacrifice. This is an abomination because it is idolatry, and it brings desolation because it defiles the holy place at the heart of Israel. This act was the abomination “of” desolation, the abomination “causing” desolation.

Having surveyed the original meaning of “abomination of desolation” in Daniel, we now to turn Matthew 24:15-16, first looking at the larger structure of Matthew 24. These verses come in the context of the Olivet Discourse, which begins with Jesus telling his disciples that the temple will be destroyed (24:1-2). The disciples then asked Jesus to explain: “When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” (24:3). The disciples probably thought they were asking one question. The fall of Jerusalem, Jesus’ return, and the end of the age were one complex event in their minds. It may seem to us that they asked three questions:

1. When will the temple fall?
2. What is the sign of Jesus’ return?
3. What is the sign of the close of this age?

But a close reading shows that Jesus heard and answered two questions. Evangelical scholars will disagree about how much of this passage is devoted to each question, but they generally agree that 24:3-35 mostly refers to events leading up to the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70. The segment ends with Jesus promising “this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place” (24:35). A generation normally lasts 40 years in Scripture, and Jerusalem and its temple did fall within 40 years, as Jesus said. So his core prediction was fulfilled by AD 70. Then, in 24:36, Jesus starts to speak exclusively about “that day” ~ that is, the last day.

In 24:4-14, the, Jesus is preparing his disciples for events ~ most of them extremely difficult ~ that will take place in their lifetime. These troubles are not signs of the end; the disciples must be ready to “stand firm” through them (24:4-8, 13). Then he says, “When you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation...‘ ~ let the reader understand ~ then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.”

This prophecy makes sense only with reference to the fall of Jerusalem. It cannot possibly apply to Jesus’ return. When he comes it will be pointless for an unbeliever to try to flee. And a believer will not want to flee. For the same reason, the following command not to go back to get a cloak and the woe for nursing mothers who must flee cannot refer to Jesus’ return. But they make perfect sense if Jesus predicts that another abomination of desolation, like Antiochus Epiphanes of Daniel, is coming. Indeed that abomination did come in Roman form in AD 70. The Roman armies were always an abomination because they carried with them idolatrous images of the emperor, whom they worshiped. And those armies brought desolation because their commander leveled the city and entered the holy of holies, defiling it.

The line “let the reader understand” (24:15) means that those who read Matthew ~ which would have been written before AD 70 ~ must be ready to flee when they see Roman armies besieging Jerusalem. Indeed, the parallel account in Luke 21 makes this point explicit: “when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies... flee to the mountains” (Luke 21:10-24). In fact, many Christians did flee, sparing their lives, when they saw Rome’s armies coming. Eusebius, the first great historian of the church, says that when the Romans fell upon Jerusalem, “the church at Jerusalem... left the city, and moved to a town called Pella.” So Jesus, ever the Good Shepherd, told the first Christians how to survive those most harrowing years of the church’s infancy.

When Jesus gives instruction concerning future events, his purpose is not to satiate our curiosity or answer all or our speculative questions, but rather to protect and guide and instruct his people. Jesus gave relatively little attention to the question “When?” and much toward the question “How shall we live faithfully?”

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Stumpmaster]

The term “abomination” (Hebrew toevah and siqqus) appears more than 100 times in the Old Testament and just a few times in the New Testament. An abomination is normally a great sin, commonly worthy of death. Readers immersed in current debates about sexual ethics may first think an abomination is a sexual sin. Indeed, Scripture calls sexual sins like adultery, homosexuality, and bestiality abominations (e.g., Leviticus 18:22, 29-30). But more often throughout the Bible “abomination” refers to major covenant violations, especially idolatry (in Deuteronomy alone, see 7:25, 13:6-16, 17:2-5, 18:9-12, 27:15, 32:16). In the historical books, “abomination” always describes idolatry, often with child sacrifice (1 Kings 11:7, 2 Kings 23:13). Abomination also refers to idolatry in the prophets, including Daniel 9 and 11. (Daniel uses siqqus, a term that always appears in connection with idolatry.)

The interpretation of Daniel 9-11 is difficult and disputed, but it does have some fixed points, and the nature of the abomination that causes desolation is one of them. Daniel 9:26-27 refers to a prince who will destroy the city (Jerusalem) along with its temple and sacrifices, “and on the wings of abominations shall come one who makes desolate.” Two chapters later there is another reference to an “abomination” in connection to the temple: “forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate” (11:31).

Scholars generally agree that the first reference of these prophecies is the Seleucid king Antiochus Epiphanes IV, who ruled Palestine from 175-64 B.C. Antiochus treated Israel with such violence and contempt that they rebelled against him. When he came to suppress the rebellion, his forces entered the temple, stopped the regular sacrifices, set up an idol of or altar for Zeus, and apparently offered swine there as a sacrifice. This is an abomination because it is idolatry, and it brings desolation because it defiles the holy place at the heart of Israel. This act was the abomination “of” desolation, the abomination “causing” desolation.

Having surveyed the original meaning of “abomination of desolation” in Daniel, we now to turn Matthew 24:15-16, first looking at the larger structure of Matthew 24. These verses come in the context of the Olivet Discourse, which begins with Jesus telling his disciples that the temple will be destroyed (24:1-2). The disciples then asked Jesus to explain: “When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” (24:3). The disciples probably thought they were asking one question. The fall of Jerusalem, Jesus’ return, and the end of the age were one complex event in their minds. It may seem to us that they asked three questions:

1. When will the temple fall?
2. What is the sign of Jesus’ return?
3. What is the sign of the close of this age?

But a close reading shows that Jesus heard and answered two questions. Evangelical scholars will disagree about how much of this passage is devoted to each question, but they generally agree that 24:3-35 mostly refers to events leading up to the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70. The segment ends with Jesus promising “this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place” (24:35). A generation normally lasts 40 years in Scripture, and Jerusalem and its temple did fall within 40 years, as Jesus said. So his core prediction was fulfilled by AD 70. Then, in 24:36, Jesus starts to speak exclusively about “that day” ~ that is, the last day.

In 24:4-14, the, Jesus is preparing his disciples for events ~ most of them extremely difficult ~ that will take place in their lifetime. These troubles are not signs of the end; the disciples must be ready to “stand firm” through them (24:4-8, 13). Then he says, “When you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation . . . ‘ ~ let the reader understand ~ then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.”

This prophecy makes sense only with reference to the fall of Jerusalem. It cannot possibly apply to Jesus’ return. When he comes it will be pointless for an unbeliever to try to flee. And a believer will not want to flee. For the same reason, the following command not to go back to get a cloak and the woe for nursing mothers who must flee cannot refer to Jesus’ return. But they make perfect sense if Jesus predicts that another abomination of desolation, like Antiochus Epiphanes of Daniel, is coming. Indeed that abomination did come in Roman form in AD 70. The Roman armies were always an abomination because they carried with them idolatrous images of the emperor, whom they worshiped. And those armies brought desolation because their commander leveled the city and entered the holy of holies, defiling it.

The line “let the reader understand” (24:15) means that those who read Matthew ~ which would have been written before AD 70 ~ must be ready to flee when they see Roman armies besieging Jerusalem. Indeed, the parallel account in Luke 21 makes this point explicit: “when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies... flee to the mountains” (Luke 21:10-24). In fact, many Christians did flee, sparing their lives, when they saw Rome’s armies coming. Eusebius, the first great historian of the church, says that when the Romans fell upon Jerusalem, “the church at Jerusalem... left the city, and moved to a town called Pella.” So Jesus, ever the Good Shepherd, told the first Christians how to survive those most harrowing years of the church’s infancy.

When Jesus gives instruction concerning future events, his purpose is not to satiate our curiosity or answer all or our speculative questions, but rather to protect and guide and instruct his people. Jesus gave relatively little attention to the question “When?” and much toward the question “How shall we live faithfully?”

Grace and peace to all.

A well-written, easy to read piece. Thanks PinSeeker.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

No you opined in post 89. So you believe Jesus bro0ught in the New Covenant for only 7 years ?

No, didn't you get the memo? He brought an eternal covenenant - within that last week of years.

and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

He was the once and for all final sacrifice. No further sacrifices _ (according to God and believers) _ were recognized. They stopped. The Jews may have continued performing empty, meaningless sacrifices, but Jesus put an end to them spiritually and the sent someone else later to physically put an end to them.

So God decrees 70 weeks way ahead of time. the omniscient God declares 490 years then you say all 490 years didn't need to be completed. Maybe God had a bad day when He issued a divine decree for 490 years?

70 x 7 was an accurate prophecy.
The last week was cut. It was a portion of a week, counted in as a whole. It is not unusual that years, weeks, months or days are counted when they aren't fully completed.
Jesus was dead for 3 days and 3 nights >> inclusive - they weren't three 24-hour days.

Here is where you go mystical and allegorical. It does not say their salvation was sealed or even alludes to it. It says to end a single transgression and to finish sins (in the Hebrew it is to finish sinning).

Okay, the transgression of a remnant portion (Israelites). During Daniel's time, gentiles were not understood as being part of their Messianic coming kingdom. It is odd that most of them missed this prophecy as to the precise timing ... part of their blindness I guess.

Now you are here like in the previous quote are adding gentiles. You are correct when you said this was for Jews only! Yes Jesus is everyones reconciliation, and He is the only reconciliation for Israel, but Israel has not as a people experienced this reconciliation fully yet.

Well, the New Covenant includes Gentiles, I didn't add them, God did.

Yes Jesus is righteous along with the Father and Holy Spirit. but He has not brought in everlasting righteousness to Israel yet.

He brought it to the world of believers.

Well the prophecies of the disciples concern the whole world- and I agree with you this is for Israel. Besides you have misunderstood what is being said by seal up the vision and prophecy. It does not mean to finish writing them, but to finish them happening.

Well some scholars claim prophecy was sealed up ar the end of chapter 22.

The he in verse 27 must by rule refer to its nearest antecedant in gender and number. That is the prince of the people that shall come- Not Jesus

No..The whole context is about Jesus first coming and with Him, His New Covenant. He confirmed it during His entire ministry. A confirmation that took 3/2 years and ending in His death and resurrection certainly does 't mean the covenant was over when it had just gotten started. The "and the prince shall come ..." is an adendum, an added thought, not part of the 70 weeks.

Also once again you make a huge mistake in saying Jesus ended the sacrificial system- He did not

According to God He did ... and oh, the rest of us believers too.

Also it is the prince of the people that shall come who ends the sacrifice and oblation!

Physically, but it was spiritually dead. It was just part of the punishment upon Israel ordained by God. So in essence God makes them desolate.

Jesus declared the abomination of desolation to be an individual:

In an earlier post, mentioned Titus.

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand, Do you have an allusion to another AOD that Jesus can be referring to???????

BILL Gates, Rothschilds ... someone in that elite group.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

That the Abomination of Desolation, as prophesied by Jesus, Mathew 24:15, has not yet happened is proved by the record of what did occur in 167 BC, when Antiochus killed a pig on the Altar and in 70 AD, when Titus couldn't stop his troops from burning and destroying the Temple.
Neither incident relate to what is yet to happen in a new Temple, as prophesied by Daniel 9:27, 2 Thess 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2

That there HAS been a gap from 30 AD, when Jesus was Crucified; the end of 69 'weeks', Daniel 9:26a, is proved by the nearly 2000 years passed since then.
The prophesied events of the 70th 'week', to be divided into 2 - 3 1/2 year halves, await fulfilment, as described in Revelation. THEN we will see reality!

I've heard this view many times, don't really nee a recap on the Gap.

 

[ScottA]

The term “abomination” (Hebrew toevah and siqqus) appears more than 100 times in the Old Testament and just a few times in the New Testament. An abomination is normally a great sin, commonly worthy of death...

...asked three questions:

1. When will the temple fall?
2. What is the sign of Jesus’ return?
3. What is the sign of the close of this age?

But a close reading shows that Jesus heard and answered two questions. Evangelical scholars will disagree about how much of this passage is devoted to each question, but they generally agree that 24:3-35 mostly refers to events leading up to the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70. The segment ends with Jesus promising “this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place” (24:35). A generation normally lasts 40 years in Scripture, and Jerusalem and its temple did fall within 40 years, as Jesus said. So his core prediction was fulfilled by AD 70. Then, in 24:36, Jesus starts to speak exclusively about “that day” ~ that is, the last day.

In 24:4-14, the, Jesus is preparing his disciples for events ~ most of them extremely difficult ~ that will take place in their lifetime. These troubles are not signs of the end; the disciples must be ready to “stand firm” through them (24:4-8, 13). Then he says, “When you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation . . . ‘ ~ let the reader understand ~ then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.”

This prophecy makes sense only with reference to the fall of Jerusalem. It cannot possibly apply to Jesus’ return. When he comes it will be pointless for an unbeliever to try to flee. And a believer will not want to flee. For the same reason, the following command not to go back to get a cloak and the woe for nursing mothers who must flee cannot refer to Jesus’ return. But they make perfect sense if Jesus predicts that another abomination of desolation, like Antiochus Epiphanes of Daniel, is coming. Indeed that abomination did come in Roman form in AD 70. The Roman armies were always an abomination because they carried with them idolatrous images of the emperor, whom they worshiped. And those armies brought desolation because their commander leveled the city and entered the holy of holies, defiling it.

The line “let the reader understand” (24:15) means that those who read Matthew ~ which would have been written before AD 70 ~ must be ready to flee when they see Roman armies besieging Jerusalem. Indeed, the parallel account in Luke 21 makes this point explicit: “when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies... flee to the mountains” (Luke 21:10-24). In fact, many Christians did flee, sparing their lives, when they saw Rome’s armies coming. Eusebius, the first great historian of the church, says that when the Romans fell upon Jerusalem, “the church at Jerusalem... left the city, and moved to a town called Pella.” So Jesus, ever the Good Shepherd, told the first Christians how to survive those most harrowing years of the church’s infancy.

When Jesus gives instruction concerning future events, his purpose is not to satiate our curiosity or answer all or our speculative questions, but rather to protect and guide and instruct his people. Jesus gave relatively little attention to the question “When?” and much toward the question “How shall we live faithfully?”

Grace and peace to all.

More literary confusion. Your questions are fine, but you have the wrong answers (as do the so-called "scholars").

All three questions are best answered: Jesus crucified.

1. Jesus referred to the temple of His body. John 2:21
2. Jesus told his disciples that it was better that he go. John 14:28
3. Jesus is the End. Revelation 1:8

(Don't forget to reset your clocks)

 

[Taken]

Abomination of Desolation -
Happened Before...Shall Happen Again -

An abomination is something that causes a reaction of disgust or hatred;
And desolation is a state of complete emptiness or destruction.

Something that God detested, and (some) People detested, overtook a House Dedicated to God....ie The Temple...in Jerusalem...
and thereafter The Temple was Destroyed.

Something that God detests, and (some) People detest, SHALL AGAIN, overtake a House Dedicated to God....(has been in the plan for many years),
A new Jewish Temple to be builded IN Jerusalem.

At the time, of Abomination, the Jews in Jerusalem, are Warned to LEAVE Jerusalem and flee to Mt. Zion.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Stumpmaster]

At the time, of Abomination, the Jews in Jerusalem, are Warned to LEAVE Jerusalem and flee to Mt. Zion.

Notice the presence of armies, and pounding of Gentiles:

Luk 21:20-24 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. (21) Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. (22) For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. (23) But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. (24) And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

 

[Keraz]

(24) And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

This prophecy happened in 70 AD, and the gentiles are still trampling Jerusalem, nearly 2000 years later.
The Temple Mount remains under the control of the Islamic Waqf.

I've heard this view many times, don't really nee a recap on the Gap.

My dog just got rabies shots

Too late, you are a 'foaming at the mouth' rabid preterist!

 

[Stumpmaster]

This prophecy happened in 70 AD, and the gentiles are still trampling Jerusalem, nearly 2000 years later.
The Temple Mount remains under the control of the Islamic Waqf.

Agreed.

The trampling of the holy city by the Gentiles is mentioned in the Gospels and the Apocalypse so we can be doubly aware.

Luke 21:24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Rev 11:1-3 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. (2) But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. (3) And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

This prophecy happened in 70 AD, and the gentiles are still trampling Jerusalem, nearly 2000 years later.
The Temple Mount remains under the control of the Islamic Waqf.


Too late, you are a 'foaming at the mouth' rabid preterist!

Mid-Tribber. Don't forget it - weasle!

 

[PinSeeker]

...you have the wrong answers (as do the so-called "scholars").

Well, no, you do.

Again I will say, Jesus's prophecy makes sense only with reference to the fall of Jerusalem. It cannot possibly apply to Jesus’ return. When he comes it will be pointless for an unbeliever to try to flee. And a believer will not want to flee; in fact, they will go out to meet Him in His return (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). And immediately following, no one will flee, because Jesus will gather all together for the Judgment, described vividly by Jesus Himself in Matthew 25:31-46.

One thing I think I'm at least sort of with you on, though, is that I don't really like the term "scholars." People tend to hear that and associated it closely or equate it with academia, which, regarding Biblical matters, can and often does stray way, way off the reservation. The term 'scholars' can refer to a wide range of people spanning from liberal to conservative regarding the Bible and is thus quite ambiguous. Pardon me for using it, and allow me to substitute 'credible theologians' or 'authors of Biblical commentaries.'

So, "the greatest spiritual find of our time," huh? A lot of people make those kinds of claims. Some of them are... "interesting." I do agree, though, that Jesus's prophecy, while fulfilled in A.D. 70, does have end-time significance.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

Mid-Tribber.

A "mid-tribber"... That's the same as an a-millennialist or a nunc-millennialist ~ as opposed to a pre-millennialist, a post-millennialist, and a preterist ~ right, RDB? If so, good for you.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[ScottA]

Well, no, you do.

Again I will say, Jesus's prophecy makes sense only with reference to the fall of Jerusalem. It cannot possibly apply to Jesus’ return. When he comes it will be pointless for an unbeliever to try to flee. And a believer will not want to flee; in fact, they will go out to meet Him in His return (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). And immediately following, no one will flee, because Jesus will gather all together for the Judgment, described vividly by Jesus Himself in Matthew 25:31-46.

One thing I think I'm at least sort of with you on, though, is that I don't really like the term "scholars." People tend to hear that and associated it closely or equate it with academia, which, regarding Biblical matters, can and often does stray way, way off the reservation. The term 'scholars' can refer to a wide range of people spanning from liberal to conservative regarding the Bible and is thus quite ambiguous. Pardon me for using it, and allow me to substitute 'credible theologians' or 'authors of Biblical commentaries.'

So, "the greatest spiritual find of our time," huh? A lot of people make those kinds of claims. Some of them are... "interesting." I do agree, though, that Jesus's prophecy, while fulfilled in A.D. 70, does have end-time significance.

Grace and peace to you.

That is your own logic speaking. Surely God is not limited to what you find to be plausible.

With that logic, neither would you be able to explain the rising of the dead in Thessalonians 4:16-17 or in Matthew 25:31-46.

As for "credible theologians", were there any before Christ, who's conjectures were correct? No, but rather the best example was John the Baptist or Peter, who both heard if from God, not from men. Theirs' is the only credible means.

As for fulfillment in 70 AD, you had a better answer regarding his return: "It cannot possibly apply...", etc., etc.. Nonetheless, the scriptures are seemingly fulfilled for those who look for worldly answers to heavenly questions...it is a type of blindness.

Sorry to be so hard, but you are making claims based on assumption.