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[GEN2REV]

Actually WOH, the Star of David is not representative of the Star of the Magi, of Bethlehem, or the representation of Christs wounds etc. It is of a quite different origin.

Besides, there is no true Star of David as depicted on the political flag of the State of Israel. In Hebrew, it is called the 'Magen David.' David had a shield and possibly(??) he had this star feature on its surface. There is no substantial evidence to support this claim however.

There are generally two schools of thought concerning its use. One that it is purely a Jewish religious and benign symbol of their representation to God, in general. And the other is purely satanic and its use in sorcery to conjure up a particular evil spirit or demon.

There has been much controversy surrounding this symbol especially since the late 19th century and then again when it was chosen and imprinted on the Israeli flag.

Even the Masons would side with the latter thought. They openly admit the symbol is used in magic, witchcraft, sorcery and occultism.

This has been my understanding of the Star of David as well; that it is a symbol of sorcery. Ex-satanists claim it is one of the most evil symbols that exist.

 

[GEN2REV]

He is an Admin of the forum his church has. Usually forums come with smileys, both still and animated. He probably just downloads,copies, or saves them to his computer and then puts the image here.

I right clicked on this one, and used "copy image", brought it here and pasted

Learn something new everyday. Thank you for that.

 

[APAK]

This has been my understanding of the Star of David as well; that it is a symbol of sorcery. Ex-satanists claim it is one of the most evil symbols that exist.

I'm in the camp that the flag you might see flying in Jerusalem today with its so-called Star of David on it, is truly a satanic symbol by purpose and by deliberate design. The Jewish mystics used it for their satanic purposes. Their religion is still active today, mixed in bed with some Mason types and other secret societies. Now I would say the Star of Bethlehem on the other hand is intended for Christ and his sake! This is Christian..

 

[GEN2REV]

What has he presented here that is violently offensive?

I probably haven't read every single post in this thread, but I'm pretty sure nobody has accused him of doing anything violently offensive.

BUT, to diminish the Word of God is to diminish God, as in less respect for Him and less reverence in His direction. Everybody here has seen and read the verse in Revelation about subtracting from scripture and how much of an offense to God that is. He claims they only canonize a handful of books in the NT, but then claims they haven't discarded any of the Bible.

Ok .... ?

Having said all that, I've pretty much lost interest due to all the inconsistencies so I have no dog in this fight. Good luck to those who proceed with the interview. Best wishes to all and God bless.

 

[GEN2REV]

Oh now come on...a 5 point star is a 5 point star....
32 star logos that shine bright - 99designs

To be correctly identified as a pentagram, it must be within a circle.

The circle is very important to its meaning due to the witchcraft usage which uses a circle to protect the person doing the sorcery from the energies/spirits that are raised and invoked around it.

No, I'm not privy personally so I'm sure that's not 100% accurate, but you get the idea.

 

[Heart2Soul]

To be correctly identified as a pentagram, it must be within a circle.

The circle is very important to its meaning due to the witchcraft usage which uses a circle to protect the person doing the sorcery from the energies/spirits that are raised and invoked around it.

No, I'm not privy personally so I'm sure that's not 100% accurate, but you get the idea.

Aha! There it is....the circle makes the pentagram satanic...thank you for pointing this out.

 

[APAK]

I probably haven't read every single post in this thread, but I'm pretty sure nobody has accused him of doing anything violently offensive.

BUT, to diminish the Word of God is to diminish God, as in less respect for Him and less reverence in His direction. Everybody here has seen and read the verse in Revelation about subtracting from scripture and how much of an offense to God that is. He claims they only canonize a handful of books in the NT, but then claims they haven't discarded any of the Bible.

Ok .... ?

Having said all that, I've pretty much lost interest due to all the inconsistencies so I have no dog in this fight. Good luck to those who proceed with the interview. Best wishes to all and God bless.

You are correct. There was no violence in his defensive words. I guess I was selfish as I wanted my point to be heard loud and clear. I used it for effect...

Reread the verse again in the Book of Revelation. Now be honest, if you are of course knowledgeable, have all the translators of the Bible not added or subtracted from scripture? And has not any layperson who reads scripture been biased and deliberately ignored words or phrases in scripture because they prefer their favorite translation, where some of its words have drastically changed the meaning of some scripture?

And then do not be fooled. Edward Gordon knows all scripture from Genesis to Revelation. He just forms the basis and core of his church upon the words of Christ. I guess many missed this.... You know when I find a verse difficult to understand and there are other competing verses with the same or similar meaning, I always, when all things are equal, go back to the words of Christ for the tie breaking vote and his opinion. With of course prayer for inspiration from God in the process.

Blessing to you...

 

[GEN2REV]

Aha! There it is....the circle makes the pentagram satanic...thank you for pointing this out.

That's my understanding.

 

[GEN2REV]

And then do not be fooled. Edward Gordon knows all scripture from Genesis to Revelation. He just forms the basis and core of his church upon the words of Christ. I guess many missed this.... You know when I find a verse difficult to understand and there are other competing verses with the same or similar meaning, I always, when all things are equal, go back to the words of Christ for the tie breaking vote and his opinion. With of course prayer for inspiration from God in the process.

Not sure what your angle is.

You've been here a long time and now, suddenly, you're his attorney (or cheering squad)?

Regardless how many, or who, have done the examples you gave, none of them discarded 97% of the Book. And, make no mistake, that's what he's done.

But you go right ahead with ... whatever in the world it is YOU'VE got going on with this ... whatever in the world is going on in this thread ... and have at it.

It's all yours.

 

[APAK]

Not sure what your angle is.

You've been here a long time and now, suddenly, you're his attorney (or cheering squad)?

Regardless how many, or who, have done the examples you gave, none of them discarded 97% of the Book. And, make no mistake, that's what he's done.

But you go right ahead with ... whatever in the world it is YOU'VE got going on with this ... whatever in the world is going on in this thread ... and have at it.

It's all yours.

Ask him if he actually discards scripture. I had not heard these words from him, have you?

Do you know that the Church of Christ disregards the OT completely with no inherent significance?

 

[Cassandra]

Well, he disregards everything in the NT except for the Gospels and Revelation as non canon, and I think Revelation must be from NIV, (at least that is what I think I read.)

 

[Waiting on him]

I didn't defend it...I said I don't believe in symbols having meaning...because anyone can pick a design and incorporate it into a "logo" to put on their items of choice.

Lol, it’s no more offensive to me than casting dead animal bones to make a choice.

 

[Waiting on him]

I believe Edward is only saying that he only refers to the gospels and the book of revelation for doctrine in his walk with Christ. The problem I see with this is there are seven epistles in the book of revelation. Well that’s one problem…… anyhow.

 

[Waiting on him]

Let’s say I wanted to form my own Ism, we’re gonna call it waitingonhimism. The first thing I’d want to accomplish is to set myself away from the rest of the herd, so I’d have to come up with something radical. I say good job @Edward Gordon your very creative.

 

[lforrest]

That passage is a riddle, you know. Because we have what Jesus says, and then we have our own eyes looking at what the world is. Which means Jesus was lying. But I don't think he was lying. I tend to think everything Jesus says is true. So, I'm forced to figure out the riddle. Can you figure it out?

Here's the passage from the NIV 1984 ed.

"Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of you head are all numbered. So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows."

Wait...who did He send His Son for?

This should be sufficient context to understand the meaning:

Matthew 10:28-31 "28Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows."

It is encouragement because men will persecute his followers. He points out facts from nature that the sparrows are given provision, for their lives. Then he states that our value is greater than sparrows, to mean that God's provision will be made for us all the more.

Jesus himself said he was sent to the lost sheep of house of Israel. And due to the grafting in of the gentiles, per scriptures you reject, we may also have salvation in Jesus Christ.

I've observed you don't seem to be at all broken up about the inconsistencies that are readily being pointed out between your doctrine and scripture. I caution that you must love the truth to be saved. Even Satan comes as an angel of light, and you have been deceived into believing those revelations over the written word of God. This is a common origin for cults and even those that have been popularized into becoming denominations, and religions such as Islam. Why should God correct someone if they are going to ignore his commands? Follow David's example.

 

[Edward Gordon]

I want to address this post before I retire to bed:

@Edward Gordon ...I went and read your statement of faith regarding your church....not much different than the Christian statement of faith.

Okay. Fair enough. I'm not sure Christian theologians would agree with your statement when it comes to our definition of God, Christ, and the human purpose. They certainly would not agree with our canon, and probably not our eschatology, and while astrology is biblical, I don't know of any Christian denomination that approves of it. I myself have not resolved whether we are even part of Christendom, but we'll set that aside for the moment.

What I would like to challenge is your statement of being the true church of Jesus Christ...and you call your church the Veridican Church...
I have stated before that the true church of God will be as it was first established in scripture...Ephesians 4....
There are over 45k Christian denominations in the world...all claiming to be of Christian faith, teaching from the KJV, and declaring their doctrine to be the true doctrine of Christ....you included...so what makes you so much more truer than the other 45K claiming the same as you do?
IMHO...the biggest divider of God's people is religious doctrines....

1. We don't use the KJV. We use the NIV 1984 ed.
2. There is not now, nor has there ever been a denomination of Christianity that followed ONLY the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. We are the first.
3. Because we follow ONLY Jesus Christ, we have to be the true religion. It's not a matter of debate.
4. We are the only form of Christianity that includes the Gospel of Thomas in their canon.
5. We are the authors of the Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ. There has only been one other true Gospel harmony and that was written by Tatian (the Diatessaron) in the 2nd Century, but even he did not include the Gospel of Thomas. We do. And so, we are the church of an historical document that has never existed before in Christendom.
6. We have an original argument for the existence of God (The Veridian Argument for the Existence of God). This is more important to philosophers who argue against atheists, but nevertheless, our argument cannot be defeated.
7. We are formed specifically for the end times. Veridicanism would have had no purpose a hundred years ago.
8. Every member is encouraged to become ordained. They don't have to, but we encourage it. Every member should have Reverend before their name, and VCDC after it.

You got the Baptist all huddled together on Sunday practicing their Baptist beliefs, the Methodist..Pentecosts...Catholics...etc...doing the same...and all of them look at the other with a spirit of self-righteousness at the other churches judging them for their ignorance and unbelief of the truth.
The Bible has so many interpretations that it is only by the Holy Spirit that we can truly understand it.
Amen?

I agree. That's their problem. They are not end-times churches. They are obsolete. E.g., the RCC only existed to preserve the 4 NT Gospels. That's it. That's all they were for. Nothing else. And all other Christian Churches are an offshoot of the RCC. As for the Bible, we have our canon. We honor the Bible, but we have our canon.

• The Gospel According to St. Matthew
• The Gospel According to St. Mark
• The Gospel According to St. Luke
• The Gospel According to St. John
• The book of Revelation
• The Gospel of Thomas
• The Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ

And as for joining the VCDC, there are no requirements. If a person comes to the forum and asks to be a member of the Church, we assume they agree enough with the Articles of Faith to want to be part of it. If they are openly and wantonly violating the Articles, then we'll boot them later on. Otherwise, we trust them up front.

 

[Waiting on him]

I want to address this post before I retire to bed:



Okay. Fair enough. I'm not sure Christian theologians would agree with your statement when it comes to our definition of God, Christ, and the human purpose. They certainly would not agree with our canon, and probably not our eschatology, and while astrology is biblical, I don't know of any Christian denomination that approves of it. I myself have not resolved whether we are even part of Christendom, but we'll set that aside for the moment.




1. We don't use the KJV. We use the NIV 1984 ed.
2. There is not now, nor has there ever been a denomination of Christianity that followed ONLY the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. We are the first.
3. Because we follow ONLY Jesus Christ, we have to be the true religion. It's not a matter of debate.
4. We are the only form of Christianity that includes the Gospel of Thomas in their canon.
5. We are the authors of the Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ. There has only been one other true Gospel harmony and that was written by Tatian (the Diatessaron) in the 2nd Century, but even he did not include the Gospel of Thomas. We do. And so, we are the church of an historical document that has never existed before in Christendom.
6. We have an original argument for the existence of God (The Veridian Argument for the Existence of God). This is more important to philosophers who argue against atheists, but nevertheless, our argument cannot be defeated.
7. We are formed specifically for the end times. Veridicanism would have had no purpose a hundred years ago.
8. Every member is encouraged to become ordained. They don't have to, but we encourage it. Every member should have Reverend before their name, and VCDC after it.




I agree. That's their problem. They are not end-times churches. They are obsolete. E.g., the RCC only existed to preserve the 4 NT Gospels. That's it. That's all they were for. Nothing else. And all other Christian Churches are an offshoot of the RCC. As for the Bible, we have our canon. We honor the Bible, but we have our canon.

• The Gospel According to St. Matthew
• The Gospel According to St. Mark
• The Gospel According to St. Luke
• The Gospel According to St. John
• The book of Revelation
• The Gospel of Thomas
• The Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ

And as for joining the VCDC, there are no requirements. If a person comes to the forum and asks to be a member of the Church, we assume they agree enough with the Articles of Faith to want to be part of it. If they are openly and wantonly violating the Articles, then we'll boot them later on. Otherwise, we trust them up front.

Does your church only consist of men?

 

[Heart2Soul]

I want to address this post before I retire to bed:



Okay. Fair enough. I'm not sure Christian theologians would agree with your statement when it comes to our definition of God, Christ, and the human purpose. They certainly would not agree with our canon, and probably not our eschatology, and while astrology is biblical, I don't know of any Christian denomination that approves of it. I myself have not resolved whether we are even part of Christendom, but we'll set that aside for the moment.




1. We don't use the KJV. We use the NIV 1984 ed.
2. There is not now, nor has there ever been a denomination of Christianity that followed ONLY the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. We are the first.
3. Because we follow ONLY Jesus Christ, we have to be the true religion. It's not a matter of debate.
4. We are the only form of Christianity that includes the Gospel of Thomas in their canon.
5. We are the authors of the Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ. There has only been one other true Gospel harmony and that was written by Tatian (the Diatessaron) in the 2nd Century, but even he did not include the Gospel of Thomas. We do. And so, we are the church of an historical document that has never existed before in Christendom.
6. We have an original argument for the existence of God (The Veridian Argument for the Existence of God). This is more important to philosophers who argue against atheists, but nevertheless, our argument cannot be defeated.
7. We are formed specifically for the end times. Veridicanism would have had no purpose a hundred years ago.
8. Every member is encouraged to become ordained. They don't have to, but we encourage it. Every member should have Reverend before their name, and VCDC after it.




I agree. That's their problem. They are not end-times churches. They are obsolete. E.g., the RCC only existed to preserve the 4 NT Gospels. That's it. That's all they were for. Nothing else. And all other Christian Churches are an offshoot of the RCC. As for the Bible, we have our canon. We honor the Bible, but we have our canon.

• The Gospel According to St. Matthew
• The Gospel According to St. Mark
• The Gospel According to St. Luke
• The Gospel According to St. John
• The book of Revelation
• The Gospel of Thomas
• The Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ

And as for joining the VCDC, there are no requirements. If a person comes to the forum and asks to be a member of the Church, we assume they agree enough with the Articles of Faith to want to be part of it. If they are openly and wantonly violating the Articles, then we'll boot them later on. Otherwise, we trust them up front.

Thank you for taking time to address my post... I want to meditate on your response for a bit. I will probably get back with you tomorrow...

One thing to consider is renouncing all ties to any occult practices and beliefs... ..and leave them completely out of your life....
Astrology and astronomy at one time were considered the same. ...
Quoted from wikipedia..

Astrology and astronomy were archaically treated together (Latin: astrologia), and were only gradually separated in Western 17th century philosophy (the "Age of Reason") with the rejection of astrology. During the later part of the medieval period, astronomy was treated as the foundation upon which astrology could operate.

Since the 18th century they have come to be regarded as completely separate disciplines. Astronomy, the study of objects and phenomena originating beyond the Earth's atmosphere, is a science and is a widely studied academic discipline. Astrology, which uses the apparent positions of celestial objects as the basis for the prediction of future events, is a form of divination and a pseudoscience having no scientific validity.

 

[Edward Gordon]

This should be sufficient context to understand the meaning:

Matthew 10:28-31 "28Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows."

It is encouragement because men will persecute his followers. He points out facts from nature that the sparrows are given provision, for their lives. Then he states that our value is greater than sparrows, to mean that God's provision will be made for us all the more.

Jesus himself said he was sent to the lost sheep of house of Israel. And due to the grafting in of the gentiles, per scriptures you reject, we may also have salvation in Jesus Christ.

I've observed you don't seem to be at all broken up about the inconsistencies that are readily being pointed out between your doctrine and scripture. I caution that you must love the truth to be saved. Even Satan comes as an angel of light, and you have been deceived into believing those revelations over the written word of God. This is a common origin for cults and even those that have been popularized into becoming denominations, and religions such as Islam. Why should God correct someone if they are going to ignore his commands? Follow David's example.

You just can't admit that you can't see the riddle. So, you become sanctimonious as a defense. Whatever. Your points are taken. But let me ask you this: You said that I should believe the written word of God over revelation--in other words, MY revelation. So, who do you suggest I follow? Who is the person I should turn to to interpret the scriptures for me? You? No? Who then? I'm reading John MacArthur's book on Revelation right now. Shall he be my authority? What say you?

 

[Edward Gordon]

And if one more person calls me Satan, I think I'm going to puke green pea soup.