you depart from the faith revealed by Christ and taught by the apostles acts 2:42 Mary’s perpetual virginity included!
The 'blessed virgin Mary'
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you depart from the faith revealed by Christ and taught by the apostles acts 2:42 Mary’s perpetual virginity included!
It was that verse that made me leave the traditional Church of England and join a house church,
there are no house churches!
only one true church founded by Christ on Peter matt 16:18-19 Jn 10:16
Jesus is in the very least making Mary John’s spiritual mother! And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
Yes, Idolaters do need their idols to be idolaters. That is true.
Yes, Idolaters do need their idols to be idolaters. That is true.
Illuminator
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This is the Nestorian heresy that was refuted in the 4th century. But you would never admit it.
Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura
"Romanism" is another cheap insult that proves you have no clue what sacred traditions means. The authority of Scripture is also a sacred tradition. Should that tradition be scrapped to appease ignorant bigots who don't know what they are talking about???
Since when does the tree of the knowledge of good and evil have anything to do with sacred traditions (that you know nothing about?) It looks like another one of your stupid inventions.
"The only true authority of Jesus Christ is Scripture" is not found anywhere in Scripture. It's a man made tradition.
This post has been reported as "anti-Catholic hate speech". Do you feel the same way towards blacks and Jews? It's bigotry like this is the reason why threads get shut down. Knock it off.
You throw the term "idolatry" around pretending to know what it means as well. You don't.
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David in NJ
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i am a former Roman Catholic church disciple and anyone who seeks to deceive thru religion against the word's of Christ & the Apostles is anti-christ.
i follow the teachings of Saint Peter the Apostle who says:
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to [e]us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into.
Living Before God Our Father
Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”
And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
The Enduring Word
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, because
“All flesh is as grass,
And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass.
The grass withers,
And its flower falls away,
But the word of the Lord endures forever.”
Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.
Your Perceived anti-Catholic, hate speech, bigotry is not illegal.
Your Baiting is noted.
The only true authority of Jesus Christ is Scripture, which is the only place we find His true doctrine.[/QUOTE]
the new covenant religion is revealed by Christ and must be taught by the holy church of the apostles and their successors Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1-4 Jn 1:26-17 Jn 20:21-23 acts 8:31 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
the new covenant religion is revealed by Christ and must be taught by the holy church of the apostles and their successors Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1-4 Jn 1:26-17 Jn 20:21-23 acts 8:31 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
Disagree. Scripture is Knowledge. Understanding the Knowledge of Gods Word is given men from God.
Agree. And thereafter proper application to that which it does apply.
Disagree. What is not written is not a conclusion of therefore.
What is written, is the knowledge.
Disagree.
Disagree.
Agree.
Agree.
Agree.
Gal 4:
[4] But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law....
John 1:
[13] Which were born,
In brief;
God sending forth His Son....reveals, His Son was IN Heaven, IN God, and came forth out from God IN Heaven, and was SENT to Mary’s virgin womb, ON Earth.
Something Alive coming forth out from something Alive...IS BORN.
To NOTE...an Angel approached Mary, told her of Gods desire....and?
Mary Agreed.
Jesus, (ie Gods Word), God called Gods Son, was (not Created), but God prepared a body for WHEN the fullness of Time (according to God), God SENT the prepared body, (in the LIKENESS AS a man) TO Mary’s Womb.
Mary’s flesh had NOTHING to DO WITH WHAT GOD SENT.
Made of a woman, “according to the Law”....What Law?
* Law of nature? No. Her seed was not fertilized.
* Law of nature? Yes. 9 months in the womb.
* Law of man? Jewish Man? Yes. A son born forth out of a Jewish woman’s womb, is a Jewish Child, specifically of the tribe of Judah.
* Law of man? Gentile Man? Yes. Common patriarch of Jews, Gentiles...is Abraham.
* Law of God? Yes. That flesh body God Prepared, must DIE, as all flesh body’s born ON Earth, must DIE.
* Law of man? Yes. Jewish law, of blasphemy “desired”.
* Law of man? Yes. Roman Gentiles, prisoner exchanged including sentence of original prisoner.
WHY was Mary’s womb Favorable?
* Fullness of Time according to God.
* Mary a Jew from Judaea.
* Mary faithful to God.
* Mary a virgin.
* Mary betrothed to Joseph.
* Joseph of the direct line of the House of David.
* Direct and Faithful Descendant of king David, the only one qualified to sit on king David’s ever lasting throne.
* king David’s ever lasting throne, established By God.
* Gods Law...Mary and Joseph Married...one flesh.
* Mans Law..a child born forth from Mary, wife of Joseph, made that child, a direct descendant of the House of David. Ie king David.
* Mary & Joseph foretold, of the supernatural pregnancy, by the act of God,
a birth of a son, he shall be named JESUS, he “shall be” called the Son of God, (Jesus’ age 30), “he shall” Save His People. (On going)
* Mary & Joseph become, noted for their obedience to God.
* Jesus known at age 12 to be with Mary & Joseph traveling to be recorded in
(According to Mans Law of Jews) in a counting census of people.
* Joseph did according to Gods Will, fades out of significance in Text.
* Mary presumed widow with children, mentioned a few times in Text...
Guest at a wedding. Outside, when Jesus is preaching Inside. Jesus’ crucifixion. Present with Jesus’ disciples after Jesus’ ascension, when they all received Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
* Mary’s significance fulfilled.
* Jesus Teaches, Preaches, on the streets, in the Temple, has men and women followers, they hear first hand his teaching. (not including Mary, wife of Joseph)
* The Disciples of Jesus sent forth to teach on behalf of Jesus.
* The Highlight is all about Jesus, His teaching, His offerings.
* Numerous characters are mentioned by Name in Scripture, their tasks to fulfill Gods Will, their willingness to accomplish fulfilling, (or not)...their significance in relation to Jesus...their significance faded out.
The Highlight is Exclusively ALL ABOUT He whom God Sent forth.
John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
[28] I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Glory to God.
Taken
David in NJ
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the new covenant religion is revealed by Christ and must be taught by the holy church of the apostles and their successors Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1-4 Jn 1:26-17 Jn 20:21-23 acts 8:31 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3[/QUOTE]
i am a inseparable Member of the Body of Christ and His Holy Spirit is in me and i am in Him and no man can remove me from Christ.
The RCC is a false-christ, where i once was but now have been Redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb.
His New Covenant is given and taught by my Heavenly FATHER - no man comes to Christ apart from the FATHER calling them - Amen
i am a inseparable Member of the Body of Christ and His Holy Spirit is in me and i am in Him and no man can remove me from Christ.
The RCC is a false-christ, where i once was but now have been Redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb.
His New Covenant is given and taught by my Heavenly FATHER - no man comes to Christ apart from the FATHER calling them - Amen[/QUOTE]
not without unity of faith and baptism
The closest Jesus Christ is the son of anyone other than the Father is as the 'son of man'.
As the second Adam He was the son of man, unlike the first Adam was on the son of God.
The second Adam was not the son of any specific man nor woman.
This is the Nestorian heresy that was refuted in the 4th century. But you would never admit it.
Since I dont' know what it is, then I won't. But if Mary idolaters hate it as heresy, then it must be true.
This post has been reported as "anti-Catholic hate speech".
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Catholic church that preaches Jesus Christ and Him crucified, and there is everything wrong about them that try to add sacred traditions of old Roman Vesta in the name of Mary to the doctrine of Christ.
Your anti-Catholic charge is a false accusation, which means nothing to me. I have spoken with the moderators, and I only reject heresy of sacred traditions about Mary, not the Catholic Church that preaches Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
The truth of what is written so soundly from Scripture, obviously has you gnashing of teeth, as they did to Stephen.
Do you feel the same way towards blacks and Jews? It's bigotry like this is the reason why threads get shut down. Knock it off.
I don't 'feel' anything about anyone. I only dispute doctrine of Christ according to the Scriptures.
Playing the 'bigot' card is the last resort of the unrepentant, who can no longer argue against the truth, except of course to simply repeat tired old mantra ad nauseam.
You don't want a thread that is supposed to be so hateful to you to be shut down?? And yet you try to do so by reporting for hate speech??
That doesn't make any sense.
No, you want the truth shut down, again.
After all, you can start a thread anytime about your ever-Virgin Mother Mary of God. I have suggested you do so before, and you stay only here, unless you are hijacking other threads to do so, which you have gotten shut down several times.
You even have my promise I won't post there. I would look in to gather more[proof of heresy about her, but I wouldn't bother posting in your 'love thread'.
I will no longer be replying personally to your posts. Once someone becomes a false accuser of the brethren, I no longer have fellowship with them, except they repent and 'knock it off'.
As the second Adam He was the son of man, unlike the first Adam was on the son of God.
The second Adam was not the son of any specific man nor woman.
This is the Nestorian heresy that was refuted in the 4th century. But you would never admit it.
Since I dont' know what it is, then I won't. But if Mary idolaters hate it as heresy, then it must be true.
This post has been reported as "anti-Catholic hate speech".
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Catholic church that preaches Jesus Christ and Him crucified, and there is everything wrong about them that try to add sacred traditions of old Roman Vesta in the name of Mary to the doctrine of Christ.
Your anti-Catholic charge is a false accusation, which means nothing to me. I have spoken with the moderators, and I only reject heresy of sacred traditions about Mary, not the Catholic Church that preaches Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
The truth of what is written so soundly from Scripture, obviously has you gnashing of teeth, as they did to Stephen.
Do you feel the same way towards blacks and Jews? It's bigotry like this is the reason why threads get shut down. Knock it off.
I don't 'feel' anything about anyone. I only dispute doctrine of Christ according to the Scriptures.
Playing the 'bigot' card is the last resort of the unrepentant, who can no longer argue against the truth, except of course to simply repeat tired old mantra ad nauseam.
You don't want a thread that is supposed to be so hateful to you to be shut down?? And yet you try to do so by reporting for hate speech??
That doesn't make any sense.
No, you want the truth shut down, again.
After all, you can start a thread anytime about your ever-Virgin Mother Mary of God. I have suggested you do so before, and you stay only here, unless you are hijacking other threads to do so, which you have gotten shut down several times.
You even have my promise I won't post there. I would look in to gather more[proof of heresy about her, but I wouldn't bother posting in your 'love thread'.
I will no longer be replying personally to your posts. Once someone becomes a false accuser of the brethren, I no longer have fellowship with them, except they repent and 'knock it off'.
Why according to the scriptures?
Christ and his church are the rule of faith and source of truth for Christians!
Jn 1:16-17 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15
the Bible says Joseph is the father of Jesus? Is he? How can we believe he is and the virgin birth also?
Lk 2:48 Jn 1:45
Christ and his church are the rule of faith and source of truth for Christians!
Jn 1:16-17 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15
the Bible says Joseph is the father of Jesus? Is he? How can we believe he is and the virgin birth also?
Lk 2:48 Jn 1:45
David in NJ
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Because God said so.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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Truthful answers for your questions.
Here is another one from the Apostle Paul
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. 3All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. 4But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! 6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.a
I'll take a shot! Mary carried the body of Jesus into this world and men have over emphasized her choosing to do what God chose her to do. She carried Jesus, baby Jesus. That has something to it, but should not be worshipped only recognized that our savior was born of a virgin (body only - God is his father). Simplest answer I see is; men in themselves putting their twist to what God was doing through a little 14 year old girl. All good religions have their twist.
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