Catholic issues

[Pearl]

Listen to what they SAY, then Verify with Scripture what they SPEAK IF IT IS the Word of God.
IF it is not Verifiable IN Scripture, Stop Trusting their Teaching.

Right from the start the leaders and those who preach in my church have told us to check out for ourselves what they teach. We are a community of believers and nobody is infallible.

 

[Taken]

Right from the start the leaders and those who preach in my church have told us to check out for ourselves what they teach. We are a community of believers and nobody is infallible.

Refreshing to hear!

 

[Pearl]

Refreshing to hear!

And nobody is more important than anybody else.

 

[theefaith]

Gentile men teaching something dumb, doing something dumb, for 2,000 years, does not make that teaching or doing, a Scriptural teaching.

lk 10:16

Infants and little children do not posses the reasoning skills to know WHAT a God is, let alone Confess a BELIEF in a God.

Not required

Ya think God ignorant of that FACT?
Ya think God does not KNOW people must hear and learn about something,
Before they can agree to Believe in that something?

They are taught and confirmed

Every man, has opportunity to Hear, Learn, and Decide to Believe what they Hear and Learn.
As a matter of FACT, God gives every man Opportunity to Hear and Follow along LEARNING ABOUT HIM...and GIVES such men A TASTE of Gods Blessing, BEFORE they make a Commitment!

what about infants who are unbaptized and die before the age of reason with original sin upon their souls?

 

[theefaith]

Repeating a non-Biblical 2,000 year old Tradition, is irrelevant.

where does the Bible say not to baptize infants

 

[Pearl]

where does the Bible say not to baptize infants

Peter himself said:

Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38

- infants can't repent.

 

[theefaith]

Peter himself said:

Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38

- infants can't repent.

Peter is speaking to adults who require repentance, infants can have no personal sin to repent of.

if something is not possible then it’s not required and the parents faith supplies for the child until they grow and are taught the faith then they receive the sacrament of confirmation

Confirmation
Lk 22:32
acts 8:14-17
acts 14:22

 

[Taken]

where does the Bible say not to baptize infants

The point is, what the Bible DOES say.

 

[Taken]

what about infants who are unbaptized and die before the age of reason with original sin upon their souls?

Same as for anyone without the ability to reason, God searches their Heart.

 

[amadeus]

Peter is speaking to adults who require repentance, infants can have no personal sin to repent of.

if something is not possible then it’s not required and the parents faith supplies for the child until they grow and are taught the faith...

It goes back to what Solomon was inspired to write 3000 years ago.

"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Prov 22:6

If the parents live for God before the child and also train that child in God's way, there is the promise. However, if the parents present the wrong kind of example and teaching... until and if the child learns a better way, have not the parents in effect convicted their own child to share in their own curses... that is in the death, which is already theirs?

Are we not all effectively born dead when we come forth from a dead mother?

 

[theefaith]

Same as for anyone without the ability to reason, God searches their Heart.

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[Taken]

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

And? A born infant is born of water, and born of the Spirit is Gods Works.
No issue.

 

[theefaith]

It goes back to what Solomon was inspired to write 3000 years ago.

"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Prov 22:6

If the parents live for God before the child and also train that child in God's way, there is the promise. However, if the parents present the wrong kind of example and teaching... until and if the child learns a better way, have not the parents in effect convicted their own child to share in their own curses... that is in the death, which is already theirs?

Are we not all effectively born dead when we come forth from a dead mother?

jn 3:5 cannot enter without baptism

 

[theefaith]

And? A born infant is born of water, and born of the Spirit is Gods Works.
No issue.

re-writing scripture again

born of water born again of the spirit

Jn 3:5 born again:
of WATER AND THE SPIRIT!!!!!

FAITH AND BAPTISM MK 16:16 acts 8:36-38

 

[Taken]

re-writing scripture again

born of water born again of the spirit

Jn 3:5 born again:
of WATER AND THE SPIRIT!!!!!

FAITH AND BAPTISM MK 16:16 acts 8:36-38

LOL, born of water, born of the spirt is not rewriting scripture!

Anyway, bored with your endless claims, without Scriptural verification.

 

[amadeus]

jn 3:5 cannot enter without baptism

What is baptism my friend? Immersion/sprinkling in water [H2O] as by John the Baptist or in the Spirit of God?

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Matt 3:11

John the Baptist knew that he was only a forerunner to a better thing coming through that one mightier than him... Jesus!

"And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." Acts 19:3-6

Immersed indeed in the Holy Spirit!

 

[theefaith]

What is baptism my friend? Immersion/sprinkling in water [H2O] as by John the Baptist or in the Spirit of God?

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Matt 3:11

John the Baptist knew that he was only a forerunner to a better thing coming through that one mightier than him... Jesus!

"And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." Acts 19:3-6

Immersed indeed in the Holy Spirit!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!


Christian ritual of baptism:
Immersion, sprinkling, pour pure water over the forehead three time with the words, I baptize thee in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit! Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 Acts 2:38-39 Acts 8:36-38 Acts 22:16
1 Pet 3:21

Proper intention: to make a new creature in Christ, to put on Christ, initiation into the new covenant of grace
Matter: pure water
Form: the words

 

[amadeus]

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!


Christian ritual of baptism:
Immersion, sprinkling, pour pure water over the forehead three time with the words, I baptize thee in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit! Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 Acts 2:38-39 Acts 8:36-38 Acts 22:16
1 Pet 3:21

Proper intention: to make a new creature in Christ, to put on Christ, initiation into the new covenant of grace
Matter: pure water
Form: the words

Well, you have decided again that there is no basis for discussion. I will leave you with that then.

 

[Marymog]

My response was in response to your question:

Sorry amadeus, Your response had NOTHING to do with God wanting us to know the Truth. That is what we are discussing. You have taught yourself that only God knows the Truth and man can't really know the Truth. But as I proved thru Scripture He wants us to know the Truth so that we can be free.

 

[Marymog]

So, the answer to her question is you wouldn't dare disagree with your church. You're not allowed to.
That, my dear, is a formula for disaster.

I would not dare to disagree with The Church on any revealed truths (dogma). If you had a truth revealed to you would you disagree with it? Of course not....

The Church doesn't teach that we can't disagree with it soooooo you can put that lie to rest.

You thinking that you are the pillar and foundation of truth is a recipe for disaster. Scripture says opposite of what you believe.