"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[GodsGrace]

You did not listen or verify...

Matt 7:
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 12:
[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Two questions taken:

1. WHY will some that cry LORD LORD not make it to heaven?
The answer is in Matthew 7:23 (last few words, you posted it above)

2. What is the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Taken]

Splitting hairs.

No, speaking in FACTS.

Men physically SAW Jesus, and Men LEARNED Jesus is the Christ, and Men LEARNED what the Christ IS.

Did ANY man physically SEE Christ? No.

Christ IS the WISDOM of God.
Christ IS the POWER of God.

Men ONLY “SEE” the reflection of Gods WISDOM, of Gods POWER.
God IS SPIRIT, Men CAN NOT “SEE”.
The WISDOM, the POWER of God, IS GOD...men can NOT “YET” SEE GOD as He is.

The moon is a good parallel.
You know the moon exists, but you can NOT SEE the moon.......UNTIL the “SUN shines ON the moon, and you can THEN SEE the reflection of the Light of the sun shining ON the moon.’

We presently can ONLY SEE, reflections of God, by what His Light shines upon.

 

[Renniks]

Did ANY man physically SEE Christ? No.

Of course they did.

 

[Renniks]

No, speaking in FACTS.

Men physically SAW Jesus, and Men LEARNED Jesus is the Christ, and Men LEARNED what the Christ IS.

Did ANY man physically SEE Christ? No.

Christ IS the WISDOM of God.
Christ IS the POWER of God.

Men ONLY “SEE” the reflection of Gods WISDOM, of Gods POWER.
God IS SPIRIT, Men CAN NOT “SEE”.
The WISDOM, the POWER of God, IS GOD...men can NOT “YET” SEE GOD as He is.

The moon is a good parallel.
You know the moon exists, but you can NOT SEE the moon.......UNTIL the “SUN shines ON the moon, and you can THEN SEE the reflection of the Light of the sun shining ON the moon.’

We presently can ONLY SEE, reflections of God, by what His Light shines upon.

I really don't know what you are trying to say. Sounds like some kind of new age mystical junk.

 

[Taken]

Two questions taken:

1. WHY will some that cry LORD LORD not make it to heaven?
The answer is in Matthew 7:23 (last few words, you posted it above)

Point being, they called out to the Lord.
Point being, they were rejected.
Do you understand....a man calling out to the Lord....IS NOT calling OUT to what he “DOES NOT BELIEVE EXISTS”!

The WHY is revealed...”they did not DO the will of the Father”.
The WILL of the Father, IS for a man to WILLINGLY submit their Lives UNTO THE Lord. They didn’t.

What is the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit?

Utter lack of reverence toward the Holy Spirit, lying to the HS, speaking against the HS, etc.

 

[Taken]

Of course they did.

Too deep, you don’t get it.

 

[Taken]

I really don't know what you are trying to say. Sounds like some kind of new age mystical junk.

Nothing new. As a matter fact, it was one of the things that made God angry in the OT.... Men can not SEE God, but they could HEAR, and Hearing, and Seeing the Reflection of Gods Works, left them still complaining, because they wanted to SEE God ...to BELIEVE....God called them stiffnecked.

 

[ScottA]

Whatever.
I'm not here to convince you.
What is Walking Like Einstein about?

The illusion of time and how it effects the gospel.

 

[Renniks]

Nothing new. As a matter fact, it was one of the things that made God angry in the OT.... Men can not SEE God, but they could HEAR, and Hearing, and Seeing the Reflection of Gods Works, left them still complaining, because they wanted to SEE God ...to BELIEVE....God called them stiffnecked.

Yes that's why he sent his son so we could see him as he is.

 

[GodsGrace]

The illusion of time and how it effects the gospel.

How to get it?

 

[bbyrd009]

How to get it?

Moonwalking with Einstein: The Art and Science of Remembering Everything by Joshua Foer

 

[Renniks]

Too deep, you don’t get it.

Yes and no. No one fully understands the infinite. But God isn't hiding himself.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation...
And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together...


Of course we can not fully grasp this. But we know enough.

 

[farouk]

WHY will some that cry LORD LORD not make it to heaven?
False professions; believers in name only...

 

[ScottA]

How to get it?

Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Walking-Like-Einstein-greatest-spiritual/dp/1503109089

 

[robert derrick]

By definition salvation (being the gift of eternal life), is forever.

Still, there are many who are confused by the ongoing sin of people who claim to be saved. This is a great misunderstanding-- but it does not mean that salvation can be lost. And yes, there are many scriptures that can be cherry picked and presented to argue the point...but that does not take anyone who is actually saved, having been born [again] of the spirit of God, out of His hand, or that they can loose their salvation, because: It is no longer you who live, but God who lives-- salvation means you gave you life to God...and God is forever.

Yes, there are many ways you can ho hum your way around thinking about actually giving your life to God, but if and when you totally do surrender your life to God and give it to Him, it is finished: You are forever "in God" and He in you--and He is forever.

"God is the same yesterday, today, and forever."​

So...now the matter of ongoing sin:

Just as Peter, having been "washed clean" by Christ, was embodied by Satan, causing Jesus to say "Get behind me Satan" to Peter...after we are born again of the spirit of God we can sin in the flesh without loosing our salvation-- Why? Because "we are alive and remain" in the world. This is the stumbling block that causes people to believe they can lose their salvation. But, again, this is a misunderstanding of what actually occurs. At no other time in history, not even those times when most of the scriptures were written, have people died and lived on in the flesh. These are those times...and the terms are different. And yes, it is written of in the scriptures-- If you don't know of them, keep searching, nocking, and asking.

Nonetheless, if you are saved, having been born again of the spirit of God, it is no longer you who lives, but God who lives...and He is forever. While you remain in the world...your old flesh is still subject to death and decay..and sin. But that body of flesh is passing away, just as all the world is passing away...and this is why we are counselled to remain faithful to the end--because it is as if we have been left in the grave, in death...without which we could not survive without faith and the knowledge that it is no longer we who live, but God who lives in us.

And we are here to serve--that is why we are left in the world...not to act out of our fleshly old bodies, but rather, to walk in the newness of life-- that life we have been given in the Spirit. Walk in the spirit.

So, yes, it is a daily labor to keep the old flesh under subordination of the spirit of God. But it is in Him that we have the strength to do so.

Until the End.

You are trying to confirm old school secured eternal salvation: those 'really' saved depart from all iniquity to live holy, righteously, and blamelessly in this present life. The saints in Christ Jesus live the life of Not I but Christ that liveth in me, which does not include going on still in sins and trespasses.

The doctrine is still in error by not rightly dividing the word of truth:

Just as Peter, having been "washed clean" by Christ, was embodied by Satan.

You are carnal minded in your doctrine. Peter had His feet literally washed, not His soul. Jesus prophesied of how any washing of His blood will be whole washing of His blood.

Neither Peter, nor anyone else on earth was born again and washed clean in the blood of the lamb before the cross and the resurrection.

What you say from that starting point therefore is false.

After we are born again of the spirit of God we can sin in the flesh without loosing our salvation-- Why? Because "we are alive and remain" in the world.

Interesting concept, but no cigar. Those being saved, cease being saved by going on still in their sins and trespasses, or by returning to their past sins and trespasses.

To say they were never saved is a personal judgment without Scripture.

The real error thinking of were saved, or already saved, as in salvation already obtained in this life, which is false. We are being saved by grace through faith, and we obtain eternal salvation by obeying Him unto the end, to attain to the resurrection of the dead.

At no other time in history, not even those times when most of the scriptures were written, have people died and lived on in the flesh.

Except the first Adam of course. As can now be the case of the brethren of the Second Adam, with even less excuse of course.

it is no longer you who lives, but God who lives...and He is forever. While you remain in the world...your old flesh is still subject to death and decay..and sin.

The mortal body continues as corrupt as ever, but the New Man destroys the law of sin and death by the law ofd the Spirit of Christ, and so sinful flesh no longer obeys the law of sin, even as sin no longer reigns over the mortal body.

You are trying to distance your washed soul from your sinful body, and so also from the sinful deeds of your body, resulting in no judgment for sins of the flesh upon your soul.

You are OSAS trying to at least teach not continuing in sins, and you would no doubt agree with 'if' we sin, and not 'when' we sin.

However, it is a lie to say we are no longer judged for our sins, if we commit them, not when:

For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear.

 

[robert derrick]

The New Testament teaches how to be saved and how to stay saved.

It is certainly possible for a born again believer to be lost. The New Testament warns the believers about the consequences of willingly returning to sin after receiving the gospel.

You’re position does not incline men to the fear of God. The fear of God is essential in keeping men from sinning.

“Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.” (Proverbs 3:7)

“by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.” (Proverbs 16:6)

True. The one thing OSAS does not have is fear of the Lord. They do not fear His wrath nor His judgment against sins, because they delude themselves into thinking the blood of the Lamb only covers sins like a goat, so that they are n't washed cleanof unrighteousness, and yet are no more judged judged for going on still in them.

They have no fear of God to fail Him, because they have nothing to fail, no responsibility to fail with, no accountability to fail in.

Falling short to them is just par for the course.

What OSAS calls 'fear of the Lord' is nothing but a bunch lip-service to 'reverencing' Him. Well, they no doubt 'reverence' Him to death, so that He gets sick of it:

Wherefore kick ye at my sacrifice and at mine offering, which I have commanded in my habitation.

 

[robert derrick]

You are referring to the times when the gospel was first being preached. Therefore it is right that Paul (and Jesus, and the apostles) continue a message of conversion from unbelief to full belief. That generation was on the cusp-- as Jesus said "this generation." But that does not (as you are now doing) take away the great amount of the gospel that says it is finished for those who are actually born again of the spirit of God and are a new creation.

You are confusing the scriptures that pertain to that generation, with the full message of the gospel. You are not "rightly dividing the word of truth."

You are referring to the times when the gospel was first being preached. Therefore it is right that Paul (and Jesus, and the apostles) continue a message of conversion from unbelief to full belief.

So, those three thousand in Acts 2 didn't get the full belief? Good thing they didn't hear that, else they may have gotten disappointed about their unfull belief.

As the man said, there is no 'superficial' nor 'full' belief spoken of Scripture. Only them that believe, and them that believe not. Enough of the gospel was preached to them to be saved and to live blamelessly to the end.

take away the great amount of the gospel that says it is finished.

Jesus finished His work to save us. We do not finish the race until it is finished:

But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy.

Those who are actually born again of the spirit of God and are a new creation and live like it unto the end of the their course shall obtain eternal salvation.

 

[robert derrick]

So you are taking what Jesus told the hooker as absolute doctrine for every soul?

Every sin is willful. We do not sin against our own will.

And will you post SCripture that proves your first sentence?

So you are taking what Jesus told the hooker as absolute doctrine for every soul?

No, no, not at all. Jesus was just commanding her to go and do no hooking sin no more.

The rest of the sins were still cool for her.

Amazing.

Every sin is willful. We do not sin against our own will.

We only sin against our own will, when we're being stupid. There's sins smartly done, and there's sins stupidly done.

What does it matter, since we're all going to sin anyway? We're just all sinners, what does God expect us to do? It's not our fault we were born in sins. God's not an unjust God to judge us for sin we can't stop doing.

So, stop worrying about such meaningless questions and Ceeeeeelebrate that Grace, C'mon!

And will you post Scripture that proves your first sentence?

Once again, why bother? We got all the Scriptures we need to perfectly prove that we will sin again and again, and we will not be judged for it, because God cannot see it under the blood.

What do we care about any Scripture suggesting otherwise?? After all, we're not expected to be doers of all the word anyway, right?

 

[robert derrick]

What sin would a “bad day” lead you to commit?

And why would a bad day lead to sin?

We should rejoice in bad days!

“Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.” (1 Peter 4:12-15)

It is truly amazing to see how OSAS dumbs down and belittles the sinfulness of their sins.

When we get rained on and step in some mud on the way to the office, we're having a 'bad day'.

They also talk of 'merely' falling from time to time.

One of their many main problems is that their sins never become exceeding sinful enough to repent of.

Not that repentance is needed for salvation anyway. Though it is good to repent, just not necessary to repent.

 

[robert derrick]

It is important not to mix those thing that were preached to Israel for Israel, with those things which were preached regarding the "other fold" which Jesus said He "must also bring." We need to remember that the bulk of what Jesus preached was to Israel, who are "the dead in Christ", of whom Jesus was "the Last."

Both the narrative preached to Israel, and the narrative regarding that "other fold" are in the same gospel record, for which Paul preach "the word of truth" (the gospel) must be "rightly divided."

This is the error of those not set free of sin.

We need to remember that the bulk of what Jesus preached was to Israel, who are "the dead in Christ", of whom Jesus was "the Last."

Jesus was the last of the dead in Christ?

The dead in Christ are all them that have and will die in the Lord before the first resurrection of the church:

Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Them that physically die while obeying Christ to the end.

If I am "in Christ" it is finished. To say it is not, is to say that Christ is not finished-- which you just said He was.

Jesus' work on the cross is finished. His work in us in not, while we remain yet alive in this world.

The matter of "enduring to the end", is not what you make of it-- It is not the end of the flesh living in the world. "We who are alive and remain" in the world, have already come to "the End."

Scripture was speaking of the resurrection, which will occur with some saints remaining alive on earth.

Your play on words is just sophistry to removing any enduring necessary in this life to obtain eternal salvation in the end.

You think you've found a cute little Christian Valhalla of no more judgement for 'saved' souls for sins committed in the body.

those captives whom Christ came to set free-- are not free. But, that whole line of thinking is only confusion, for we are free indeed.

Those who are free indeed of their sins and trespasses are free indeed of condemnation for sins and trespasses.

Those who are not free indeed of their sins and trespasses are not free at all of condemnation of sins and trespasses.