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Excuse me... Proverbs 28. But Romans 4:7 isn't about Proverbs 28 either.Are you out there FHI?
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Romans 4:7 is but a quote of the Psalms.
And as you quoted, "by every word of God."
Proverbs 28:13 is the word of God. Do you try to change what it says?
Excuse me... Proverbs 28. But Romans 4:7 isn't about Proverbs 28 either.
Not only can but does willfully sin. I'm not suggesting anyone actually go out and try to sin, but every day everyone is committing one sin or another, and knowingly so. I've laid this out before long time ago, but very briefly here it is:FHll, what are you trying to say? do you believe that one can willfully sin and that he'll be ok?
So you think that Proverbs 28:13 is linked to Romans 4:7? Read Pro 28 more carefully. "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper..." Yes, if you try to cover your own sins, you won't prosper! Romans 4:7 isn't talking about you covering your own sins. It's talking about Jesus Christ covering our sins.But your way of seeing it leaves out its purpose. Go ahead and put God to the test if you must.
The context you are missing is this:
Proverbs 28:13 "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy."
Was there anything about the way that was said which makes you think it has suddenly changed?
That is the problem with modern prideful theology. It makes God out to have changed. That works better for men than their changing themselves.
So you think that Proverbs 28:13 is linked to Romans 4:7? Read Pro 28 more carefully. "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper..." Yes, if you try to cover your own sins, you won't prosper! Romans 4:7 isn't talking about you covering your own sins. It's talking about Jesus Christ covering our sins.
No. It doesn't. The fact that Proverbs 28:13 has no connection to Romans 4:7 doesn't prove that repentance and forsaking sin is required. Why? Because they aren't connected! Repentance.... I repented ONCE for ALL. I will not again repent for dead works. I did it once and that is enough. I'm moving on to perfection. Christ died once for all, and when he did he offered one sacrifice for sin for ever. It's done.That then proves repentance and forsaking sin is required even now, does it not?
That is all I have been saying. Your sins are not automatically forgiven and covered now any more than they were then.
The only difference is you do not need to go make an animal sacrifice for your sins. But you yet do have to do the things that keep you ceremonially clean and able to approach God in Christ. And that is done by appreciating the sacrifice of Christ enough that you do not keep sacrificing him over and over again. That translates to obedience born of faith which works by love.
I repented ONCE for ALL. I will not again repent for dead works. I did it once and that is enough. I'm moving on to perfection.
Is there something you don't understand?What is that?
James 5:13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2:1 ¶My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
These verses say that our sins are covered and we are made righteous by Jesus Christ. Yes, our sins are forgiven, but they are also covered.
That then proves repentance and forsaking sin is required even now, does it not?
That is all I have been saying. Your sins are not automatically forgiven and covered now any more than they were then.
The only difference is you do not need to go make an animal sacrifice for your sins. But you yet do have to do the things that keep you ceremonially clean and able to approach God in Christ. And that is done by appreciating the sacrifice of Christ enough that you do not keep sacrificing him over and over again. That translates to obedience born of faith which works by love.
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
[sup]5[/sup]Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
[sup]6[/sup]Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
[sup]7[/sup]That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Is there no power in the gospel?
We are called to repent, that is, change our minds, and leave our old sins behind to move on with God. He empowers us to walk free from sin.
I've already commented on this so if you want to talk about it, please at least read or respond to my post.[sup]5[/sup]Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
[sup]6[/sup]Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
[sup]7[/sup]That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Is there no power in the gospel?
We are called to repent, that is, change our minds, and leave our old sins behind to move on with God. He empowers us to walk free from sin.
No. It doesn't. The fact that Proverbs 28:13 has no connection to Romans 4:7 doesn't prove that repentance and forsaking sin is required. Why? Because they aren't connected! Repentance.... I repented ONCE for ALL. I will not again repent for dead works. I did it once and that is enough. I'm moving on to perfection. Christ died once for all, and when he did he offered one sacrifice for sin for ever. It's done.
"The only difference is you do not need to go make an animal sacrifice for your sins."
Well, appearently the animals are the only ones who got grace then, by your thinking.
The Bible says I am free from the law. You say I still have to follow it.
I see here in the general posts a consensus of opinion that there is something wrong with the gay life style. Some quote scripture and some argue their point of view. The Biblical teaching is quite clear on the matter, it's forbidden.
* How should the gospel be presented to gay persons, since they believe their 'love' is pure and have already taken the moral high ground on that basis?
How do we present the God of justice to men and women who's idea of love is skewed and rebellious?
Jesus still says you have to follow the law of righteousness; 'love the Lord your God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself'.
We do such a dangerous thing when we take the words of Paul and interpret them on their own, in a way that disagrees with Jesus, yet it is so popular today.
This shows that Paul is not talking about being no longer accountable for righteousness, but being actually freed from the law of sin and death.
We do not follow the sacrificial law, rather we walk in freedom of the Spirit. But that means we are free to please him, not do what we want! Are we so foolish that we think somehow we can be neither slave of righteousness nor a slave of sin? That we can be free in that sense? We are called to follow him. He who does this faithfully will be saved.