"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[ScottA]

Tell you what… you get the other heretics to stop and i will. Deal??

No deals.

They will stop, but perhaps not before it is too late.

As for you, you still have a choice.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

only the saved will have the Holy Spirit. He isnt going to just use random people.

Then you understand that God is not using you, right?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The un-elect will never believe.

Their unbelief is why they are not elected.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If (as you say) you are not saved, then you do not have the Holy Spirit in whom is all truth, and therefore have no ability to speak to the truth of this topic.

How is it then that you carry on as if you know what you are talking about?

I've wondered about this, too.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

seriously??? Please explain how the un-elect will be saved??

John 3:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

Please show me the word elect/non-elect in this passage

 

[Ferris Bueller]

a lot of people on here who claim to be saved yet dont understand the Bible.

The only thing you have to understand in the Bible to be saved is the gospel of God's forgiveness.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I see the same problem on this forum that i see on other christian forums. All of yall think you’re saved. Now im not judging mind you, but the majority of this forum arent genuinely saved. You realize as paul washer says, that when Jesus said many will try, but few will get in, He was talking about you, those who believe they are saved. The only difference is, i know im not saved.
When you go into a grocery store, or wal mart, dont you ever look around and say to yourself, the majority in this store may very well not be saved?? Too many of yall think salvation is something you get to decide. Jesus said otherwise.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

John 3:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

Please show me the word elect/non-elect in this passage

you are deceived.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

you are deceived.

So you can’t answer my question. Just say I am deceived.

This does not go very well with you. it makes it look like your backed into a corner with no answer and come out swinging

All I did was ask you a question.

Typical though I have come to expect this

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I see the same problem on this forum that i see on other christian forums. All of yall think you’re saved. Now im not judging mind you, but the majority of this forum arent genuinely saved. You realize as paul washer says, that when Jesus said many will try, but few will get in, He was talking about you, those who believe they are saved. The only difference is, i know im not saved.
When you go into a grocery store, or wal mart, dont you ever look around and say to yourself, the majority in this store may very well not be saved?? Too many of yall think salvation is something you get to decide. Jesus said otherwise.

You know your not saved?

I have never met a calvinist who thinks this. And you say I am decieved?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

You know your not saved?

I have never met a calvinist who thinks this. And you say I am decieved?

clearly you dont attend baptist or presbyterian churches. A preacher said this to his congregation and a lot of people had the same response you did.
Its better to know you’re going to hell than to believe you’re saved and you find out you’re not on judgement day.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

So you can’t answer my question. Just say I am deceived.

This does not go very well with you. it makes it look like your backed into a corner with no answer and come out swinging

All I did was ask you a question.

Typical though I have come to expect this

oh i have plenty of Biblical scriptures to explain it, but by now, you have no doubt read it and decided to ignore it.

 

[GEN2REV]

You know your not saved?

I have never met a calvinist who thinks this. And you say I am decieved?

This makes no sense to me either. How can somebody claim Calvinism and OSAS and also claim they're not saved?

So, when will you be saved and what will it take to be saved, @Lifelong_sinner?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

clearly you dont attend baptist or presbyterian churches. A preacher said this to his congregation and a lot of people had the same response you did.
Its better to know you’re going to hell than to believe you’re saved and you find out you’re not on judgement day.

Actually I was SAVED and grew up in a baptist church and went to a baptist church most of my life.

I have never heard any baptist or calvinist try to tell people they can not know they are saved, the Bible does not even say this.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

oh i have plenty of Biblical scriptures to explain it, but by now, you have no doubt read it and decided to ignore it.

Ignored what?

I posted the passage that says

1. Jesus died for the whole world
2. That he shows who of that world will be saved and who will not be, and why

You asked about the non elect going to heaven. Can you show me in the Bible where we are told people will go be condemned because they are not elect?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

This makes no sense to me either. How can somebody claim Calvinism and OSAS and also claim they're not saved?

So, when will you be saved and what will it take to be saved, @Lifelong_sinner?

its not up to me, God alone decides. We have NO say in our salvation, it is up to God if we are of the elect.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

its not up to me, God alone decides. We have NO say in our salvation, it is up to God if we are of the elect.

If as you say we are elect.

Then we are saved.

If you don’t know your saved, You have no hope

If you have no hope. You have no faith

Then your not saved.

The worker or legalists is the one who has to worry they may not be saved, not those of us with assurance we have been given eternal life. And not are waiting on it

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Ignored what?

I posted the passage that says

1. Jesus died for the whole world
2. That he shows who of that world will be saved and who will not be, and why

You asked about the non elect going to heaven. Can you show me in the Bible where we are told people will go be condemned because they are not elect?

only the elect will be saved. The un-elect will not be. You dont understand the doctrine of election.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

only the elect will be saved. The un-elect will not be. You dont understand the doctrine of election.

I never said the non elect would be saved.

I agree the elect will be saved, BUT ThATS NOT HOW OR WHY THEY ARE SAVED.

I showed you WHO JESUS DIED FOR

And I showed you WHO WOULD BE SAVED AND WHO WOULD NOT.

And you totally ignore what I posted and attacked me.

Don’t sit there and attack me, and try to mock me, when your the one with the issue my friend.

I do understand the doctrine of election, I jest reject the fatalistic calvinistic version of that doctrine

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

If as you say we are elect.

Then we are saved.

If you don’t know your saved, You have no hope

If you have no hope. You have no faith

Then your not saved.

The worker or legalists is the one who has to worry they may not be saved, not those of us with assurance we have been given eternal life. And not are waiting on it

just because you think you’re saved, doesnt mean you actually are.