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"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by ScottA, Dec 30, 2021.

  1. Lifelong_sinner

    Lifelong_sinner Well-Known Member

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    Calvinism is 100% Biblical.
     
  2. Eternally Grateful

    Eternally Grateful Well-Known Member

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    It does not mean I am not

    John said I can know I have eternal life. And by this knowledge continue in faith


    According to you, I can not know. So thank you, But I will listen to John
     
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    Eternally Grateful Well-Known Member

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    All I have is your word. You have not proven it

    And your wrong. While a calvinist is my brother or sister. Fatalism is not from God.

    If I was you I would stop following a group. And start to follow the word.
     
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    Sorry, I had to step away for a while, but wanted to elaborate..

    You have made a pretty good assessment of a lot of the would-be Christian community, including this forum. And yes, some should listen to what you have said and examine themselves. Thanks for being honest about yourself.

    The scriptures of the Bible have been handed down since the beginning as a witness to the fact that there is a God, and just one. It is a collection of books, not based on opinion, but a history of God's actual and personal encounters with real people whom He inspired to write and record the truth of God. It is a truth that, for a bystander, may appear to be even contradictory in places-- which it is not, or simply literature, which it is also not. On the contrary, while there is truth to its literary content, it is by far more of a spiritual work made up of many parables which must be spiritually discerned. By the use of parables, the same words that would appear to be simply moral (or not) about life's many worldly issues, spiritually tell of a completely different truth referred to as "all truth", of which the literary is only part and limited to those who have been born [again] of the spirit of God. In this way, God has insured that the future of His kingdom (heaven) is pure and holy, and does not allow for those who are against God to do harm.

    As such, this forum may appear to be a place of opinion contests, and it often is. But that is not true of God's word and his plans for those who love Him. Incidentally, many believe that because the word of God was penned by people, that people have historically controlled it, and therefore it is just what people say or said, or that it may have been accurate in its original form, but is now full of error by a multitude of mistranslations. However, that would only be possible if God were not in control of all things and man is-- which simply is not true. The word of God is not the providence of men as many have believed, but rather only the providence of God, for which He has promised, "it shall not return void." So, yes, you will hear many say that it was this or that, but then corrupted and that they alone have the "actual" truth-- but there is only One who has the actual truth, and that is God Himself, the Author. And it is He who has secured His word and all truth beneath the vail of spiritual secrecy to be revealed in His good time, most of which has been delayed to allow time for each succeeding generation. Then comes the end.

    As for salvation...if He has knocked on the door of your heart-- answer. Or if it is you who are knocking on His door-- He will answer, keep knocking. Meanwhile, talk to Him, He hears every word. Ask Him to send you His Holy Spirit, that you may be born again of Him and have eternal life and that He may lead you into all truth.

    As for opinion, you seem to know much of the scriptures and perhaps have read or heard that "women should be silent in church." Spiritually, this means, because those who are born again of His spirit are the likeness of a bride in marriage to the groom whom is His Son...the word to women in church, is spiritually translated to mean: all who are born again of the spirit of God should not speak or teach the church during the church age. But rather, that only the Holy Spirit should speak...of which He explains, will speak through them--and that those who are His, will hear and know who is speaking (the person or Him).

    Which makes you correct on many things you have said about many who are here speaking by their own person..to their own shame. But, not to worry, this too is part of the plan. Just as God placed a type of blindness on Israel until the fulness of the gentile nations is complete, He too has placed a similar blindness on many of those born of His spirit, for the same reason.

    As for your future here on the forum, I recommend asking questions, rather than making statements. See if you can tell who is speaking in accordance with the scriptures. That is the test given to be used to discern all spirits, whether good or evil. But again, remember that the words can only be discerned spiritually...so if there is any doubt, or you have not yet been filled with the Holy Spirit-- be silent, and so please God. He then will take it from there.

    This is the love of God, that you should enjoy life to the fullest-- Enjoy!
     
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    Belief alone, will not save a person NOW.
    However if that person (endures) Believes at the time of his physical death, he will be saved THEN.
     
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    I won't give you my "opinion", but if I have an answer, will answer with the truth.

    Thanks for the invitation.
     
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    I was quoting calvin.
    I don't contradict myself.
    Misunderstanding, no problem.
    :)
     
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    Where does scripture say we could believe but not be converted?
    Repentance is necessary for salvation.
    To repent means to change direction and go the other way.
    I also believe conversion may not be a once in a lifetime happening,
    but continues throughout our lives.
    This would be sanctification.
    We are being sanctified...
    1 Thessalonians 4:3
    For this is the will of God, your sanctification:


    Hebrews 10:14
    For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
     
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    Election, Agreement, is not a one sided thing.
    God makes an offer (obviously God is already in agreement with His own Offer)
    Men (can elect, agree, choose) OR NOT.
    Men who DO, Agree, are Agreeing and Accepting of Gods Offering...
    THEY BECOME, Gods Elect.

    Early on there was a Division of People...
    XXXXX and Gentiles.
    XXXXX...have been called by Several Names;
    Hebrews, Israel, the 12 Tribal Names, (pretty much all identifying as Jews today), which Jews were the original people of the tribe of Judah.

    It is known, Those are broadly called Gods Elect...Gods People.
    It is also known, Not all of Those individual people KEPT their status, as God Elect/Gods People. Many deflected from Believing IN God, and God cut off, such people.
    THAT ^ flows (ie a division of men) shortly after the beginning of mankind...Continuing for 4,000 years.

    Gentiles first mentioned in Gen 10:5
    Hebrews first mentioned in Gen 14:13

    2,000 years ago God sent His Word, in the Likeness as A Jewish man, called the Son of Man, called Jesus, to seek out and teach and preach to Jews. Some Jews were Interested, listened, believed this Jesus, other Jews rejected His Teaching.
    Those who Accepted, SOME became Baptized in the Holy Spirit.
    Jesus departed earth and returned to Heaven, and shortly thereafter a Jewish man named Saul (Jewish linage of his mother) and (Gentile linage of his father), Paul was also a Roman citizen. And it was Saul/Paul approached by the Spirit of Jesus, to teach and preach, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to primarily the Gentiles. Paul agreed. After 3 years of Paul Himself Learning the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Paul was Baptized in the Holy Spirit and sent out to teach and preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, primarily to Gentiles, which he did.
    Gentiles (individual men/women), who heard, believed, SOME themselves became Baptized in the Holy Spirit.

    It’s a long history of God Offering, what to whom and when, and individual men hearing:
    Accepting BY heartfull declaration to the Lord God of belief. <—SAVED
    ...*They have ELECTED Gods offering, ELECTED God, they also become Gods ELECT.
    Accepting BY no declaration yet believing in the Lord God.<——UNSAVED
    ...*The have NOT ELECTED Gods offering, NOT ELECTED God..................
    However “IF” they believe at the time of their physical death...
    ...*THEY SHALL BE SAVED, They SHALL BE included with Gods Elect.


    * They shall be WITH God forever.
    * And to note...there is a hierarchy among Gods people.
    * God has given from Ancient days to this day...tasks, services, works every individual man WITH God, to do. God rewards accordingly.
     
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    Appears to be conditional Eternal Life.

    Are you afraid to address the question in my thread?
     
  13. Eternally Grateful

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    Eternal is forever.

    Conditional is temporary. And not assured

    No such things as conditional eternal.

    I a told I have eternal life. Not that I might have it.
     
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    We fight a spiritual battle. Those who are genuinely saved, battle against temptation and deception. Those who are genuinely saved will actively fight against these and continue to fight against them. OSAS doesnt mean we’ll always win, but you will attempt to fight them. The unsaved dont care. I am not saved. How do i know?? Because i love my addictions. I have no fight left in me to even try to fight them anymore. But the Holy Spirit in us is where the strength comes from to fight. If you are genuinely saved, you will continue to fight. The Holy Spirit isnt capable of failing. The fact that i have no fight is proof that im not saved.
     
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    Thank you for the response.

    I'll transfer it to my thread.
     
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    I am very familiar with what is necessary to BECOME Saved, while we stroll around in our flesh living body’s.
    A man who accepted Gods Offering to Become CONVERTED IN Christ, (by, through, of Christ)......according to Gods ORDER and WAY;

    THIS IS A LIST OF GODS WORKS accomplished in a SAVED individual.
    IS: forgiven
    IS; washed
    IS; covered
    IS; sanctified
    IS; justified
    IS; freed from sin
    IS; soul restored and soul saved
    IS; circumcised in their heart.
    IS: indwelt with Gods Spirit of Power and Truth
    IS; given Gods Seed
    IS: spirit quickened, ie born again in the spirit.
    IS; given access to speak directly to God
    IS; given access to ask God His Understanding of His Word
    IS; Assured Forever With God, and God Forever With that individual.
    IS: Temporarily “PERFECTED” IN Christ, ie using Jesus perfect risen body.
    IS: Prepared by ALL OF GODS WORKS ^^^ the list, TO BE CLAIMED by The Lord God...on the DAY of His choosing.
    IS: ON the day of Gods choosing, the individual is RAISE UP in his own PERFECT (glorified) Body.

    The Same...individual, while alive in his natural FLESH...
    IS: Prepared: to do Works to Glorify God.
    IS; Prepared: to Make his own minds thoughts subject to his hearts thoughts.
    * THAT ^^^ applies to the individual man. He is prepared with ALL God has given him........
    * Whether or not the individual man USES all God has given him, IS the mans own burden to bear.
    Sort of like being prepared, having the tools...but many are slack in using the tools. (And other men are quick to point that out to other men.)
     
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    Addiction is simply something you crave.

    Don’t let the world define you.
    Simply read the Word of God...
    If what you crave is an abomination unto God, find out.
    If YOU desire to not crave an abomination unto God...
    Since you are not saved, your Advocate is Christ Jesus.
    IF YOU desire help to not crave an abomination unto God...
    Christ Jesus IS your Helper.
    It hangs on your desire. IF you desire to overcome a craving;
    Ask, He WILL Help.
    Don’t expect a text, or some mystical being to float around your room...
    But with a sincere desire....DO EXPECT something unexpected to come into your presence....a stranger, a word, a thought, a billboard, etc. something different that catches your attention, He will put it in your path.
     
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    Sorry. It was not clear. :)
     
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    Been there, tried that. After 3 yrs, i’ve just accepted that this is just how it is.
     
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    OT men, (were not Converted) Yet they who believed and continued believing until their physical death...
    BECAME SAVED at their Physical Death.

    That has not changed. The Same today who Believe, (but are not Converted), and ENDURE ie Continue in Belief to their physical death...SHALL...BECOME SAVED.

    Scripture is clear......and speaks of:
    THEY WHO ARE SAVED, and
    THEY WHO WILL BE SAVED, and
    THEY WHO SHALL BE SAVED.
    THEY WHO Rejected their salvation...thus LOST their SALVATION.
     
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