The good news is what launched the reformation, but pity many seem to want to get back under bondage of works and law!
Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.
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What is it about calvinism that you think I don't understand?
I'm reading along and find that others have also been told they don't understand it.
Please state what it is you believe we do not understand...
Thanks.
Do you use scripture?
Posting your opinion does not scripture make....
Plus, you should find out what sealed means.
Baptism is what seals us.
We are sealed in baptism.
However, many that are baptized, later fall away from the faith they had.
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
James 5:19-20
My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
Jesus said to be baptized.
All believers should be baptized.
Mark 16:16
16“He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Matthew 28:19 Jesus said:
19“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
Jesus said to be baptized.
All believers should be baptized.
Mark 16:16
16“He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Matthew 28:19 Jesus said:
19“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
And don't you believe Jesus taught us to do good works?
What exactly do you think Jesus taught for 3 1/2 years?
See Matthew 5 and 25...
Have you heard the good news JF?
We are not under the law
We are under grace...
Does grace nullify the Law?
May it never be!
Romans 3:31
Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it.
Matthew 5:17-18
He also said our righteousness must surpass that of the Scribes.
Matthew 5:20
What do you think Jesus meant by this?
Do you know the difference between the Mosaic Covenant
and the New Covenant? (I hope so).
oiw we cannot know are the elect of God in Christ until death, and that somehow we seem to think ourselves "more deserving" of salvation then the lost?
Should be to identify public faith and trust in Lord Jesus, bit not required to be saved!
O stated that many seek to go back under bondage of the law, not that I wanted to do that!
Some calvinists think of themselves as being superior in intellect than other Christians.
Some think of themselves as being superior because they can accept a God that other Christians cannot accept.
And some think they are superior because they know the correct doctrine of the Christian faith and every other denomination is wrong.
Perseverance of the saints means that those that are chosen by God will persevere till the end.
Since it's God that has made the choice, the chosen person will have to wait till their time of death to know if they have persevered.
We're not under bondage of the Law...
But we still have to obey the Moral Law...
the 10 commandments, which Jesus narrowed to 2...
Love God
Love your neighbor as yourself.
This covers all the commandments Jesus gave us.
we are saved due solely based upon the Lord choosing to save us, as we have NOTHING in us that makes us superior to any one, as still a lost sinner until saved!
And we can indeed KNOW right now are saved in Christ!
We obey God out of love and thanksgiving, not out of feeling a need must measure up to merit getting saved!
robert derrick
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Jesus and Paul both taught eternal security of the one now found in Christ!
Eternal salvation is for the one now obeying Christ and not found in transgression.
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Eternal salvation is for them that obey Him, surety of eternal salvation is continuing in obedience to Him, and eternal security is obtaining eternal salvation in the resurrection of the dead.
Surety without obedience is a lie, and security is only after enduring obediently unto the end.
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robert derrick
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And so, OSAS only obeys when they feel like it.
And so, when OSAS does sin and doesn't obey, it's because they don't 'feel the love' and thanksgiving to God.
OSAS only obeys when they feel like, and so never obey, when you don't feel like it.
Hypocrisy 101.
robert derrick
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Jesus did not 'feel like' obeying the Father in the garden before the cross, and so He feared not obeying and prayed earnestly to learn obedience, even when not feeling like it.
OSAS is unconditional salvation for them that only obey when they feel like, otherwise they just don't obey, because learning to obey by faith and not by feeling, is a 'measuring up' that is rejected.
And so, they never ever measure up to Jesus, who believed measuring up to the Father was all that mattered:
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
OSAS is only loving God when they feel like, and not loving God when they don't 'feel the love' of God.
They only love God, when they feel He is loving them.
robert derrick
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The feigned humility of filthy grace is sickening, like a warm dripping that makes the Lord sick:
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
They only obey God when they 'feel the love' for obeying God, not when they don't feel like loving Him.
They are the touchy-feely of Christian religious hypocrisy.
Measuring up to be worthy of God is offensive to their touchy-feely tastes and sensitivities.
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called.
Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
There are two true things spoken by OSAS: the go on still in their sins and trespasses, and they are not worthy to walk with the Lord in white.
Everything else is touchy-feely celebration of filthy grace.
Give it up, JF1. We passed the point long ago where we're just feeding the monster. The funny thing is, "OSAS" is not really who Robert says they are at all. His characterizations of who they are and what they believe, and therefore his His whole diatribe and ranting and raving, is horribly misdirected.
You know, Paul talks about those still in rebellion against God, those who have exchanged the truth for a lie and worship the creature rather than the Creator, in Romans 1. As a result of their doing this, God has given them up to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, to dishonorable passions. Now, I'm not saying anyone here has done that. But I am saying that if Robert is just going to keep going with this nonsense (and obviously he is), then just... let him go. Let it go. You and I, though, and others like us, we can praise the Lord all the more because of ~ as Paul calls it in Ephesians 1:4 ~ His glorious grace. It is amazing, you know.
Grace and peace to you.
Neither Jesus nor Paul ever qualified it, as they BOTH held to all saved would be one day raised up and glorified with Christ!
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