Is The Beast Of Revelation 13:1-8 A Political System On Earth?

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The guy Antiochus is found in Daniel 11:21-34, NOT Isaiah 11:21-34, I have edited that.
The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.
 

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The beast that rises out of the sea or multitudes of people, will be a literal individual human man, and is described with (Personal Pronouns) He, His, Him

Revelation 13:1-8KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Hmmm, Mystery, Babylon the Great is called a she and also a her. Does that mean it's a literal woman?
Absolutely not!
 

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I wasn’t clearly shown anything I’m afraid. You are fixated on choosing personal pronouns by specific interpretations when there are interpretations that differ. But regardless of whose, scripture identifies and gives the listener the answer.

There is no need to reply to me Truth7t7, You have already explained your position and are not willing to talk about anything but that. There is no need to continue.
The beast that rises out of the sea or multitudes of people, will be a literal individual human man, and is described with (Personal Pronouns) He, His, Him

Revelation 13:1-8KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 
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Hmmm, Mystery, Babylon the Great is called a she and also a her. Does that mean it's a literal woman?
Absolutely not!
God has called Israel/Jerusalem, she, woman, and a whore, throughout history as seen in scripture

Does that mean Israel/Jerusalem is a literal woman, absolutely not :D
 
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Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!
You do not understand prophecy. Jesus was speaking about the 70th week tribulation in Matt. 24:23-27, again, not understanding the timing of the Rapture doom you to being off-tacked on many things.

And the 70th week happens BEFORE the 1000 year reign.

Off in both cases.
 
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You do nit understand prophecy. Jesus was speaking about the 70th week tribulation in Matt. 24:23-27, again, not understanding the timing of the Rapture doom you to being off-tacked on many things.

And the 70th week happens BEFORE the 1000 year reign.

Off in both cases.
There wont be a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)


2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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You do nit understand prophecy. Jesus was speaking about the 70th week tribulation in Matt. 24:23-27, again, not understanding the timing of the Rapture doom you to being off-tacked on many things.

And the 70th week happens BEFORE the 1000 year reign.

Off in both cases.
Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 
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The guy Antiochus is found in Daniel 11:21-34, NOT Isaiah 11:21-34, I have edited that.

He is also the guy in Daniel 8. But I don't believe that means the furture Antichrist has to be Greek. But I do believe that 67BC to 60BC with the defiling of the temple by 64 BC (the middle) the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8, and 66 AD to 73AD with 70 AD in the middle of Daniel 9, are paradigms of the future Antichrist which I believe was prophesied first in Daniel 7 and 12.
 

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There wont be a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)


2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Things like this is why you don't need to be teaching Prophecy.

You do not understand what the Day of the Lord actually is, its not just God's Wrath, but it starts with God's Wrath and and lasts through Lord Jesus' 1000 year reign. The Day the Lord starts TAKING OVER his rightful throne via Wrath, then his 1000 year reign that juxtaposes his rule (no willful sin, no murder etc.) vs. Satan's 6000 year rule (murder, sin, chaos, wars) and then the Judgment comes after the 1000 year reign, I think the earth is set on fire and it eventually becomes hell and Satan has won his kingdom as we move to our new heaven and new earth.

So, you not understanding the Day of the Lord only starts with Wrath, but continues with Jesus' reign for 1000 year, hence the Day of the Lord. You seemingly have no ability to dig out all the facts, single verses seem take you down rabbit holes. Isaiah told us precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little because we can't let single verses take us down rabbit holes.

Rev. 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

So, this verse says Satan will deceive THE NATIONS after a 1000 years but you say John is fibbing, ALL BECAUSE you do not understand that Peter is speaking about the Day of the Lord as not only the 3.5 years of Wrath but also his 1000 year reign, he's in the know, you aren't, and you cant seem to add 2 + 2 together, like the verse you cited and Rev. 20:3 in order to get unto the real true understandings.

Let me give you an EXAMPLE why you can't just use one verse in scriptures to get an understanding.

Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Dan. 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

So, which is it? Was the Beast cast ALIVE into hell or was he KILLED and cast into heaven? Rev. 19 seems to say he is cast ALIVE into hell and Dan. 7 seems to say he is KILLED FIRST !!

As a man called unto Prophecy I do not just run with whichever answer backs up my position like you seem to do and to be honest, most people do that but my job is to always get at the truth. I know God never contradicts Himself, we either have a bad translation, or a misunderstanding of the facts (like you not understanding the DOTL lasts not only 3.5 years but for the 1000 year reign). Here is the truth, we have to use the bible at all times to figure out contradictions.

So, all men must die and then the judgment says the bible, the Beast and False Prophet are indeed men. So, those men have to die before a just God can judge them. But whereas all other men who are evil will be judged after the 1000 year reign, the Beast and False Prophet are judged as soon as they die, Gabriel did not lie to Daniel in Dan. 7:11 and neither did the Angel in Revelation 19:20, what that verse means is Beast and the False Prophet will never be allowed to rest in the grave like the other wicked men will do for 1000 years until the second resurrection, the angles will take them as they die straight to hell. We are eternal beings, we have been since God placed His spirit in us. We never die, we will only sleep as Paul stated, in the grave until the resurrection. Thus the Beast will be killed as Dan. 7:11 says, his BODY DESTROYED, and then he is taken straight to hell, and never allowed to rest in the grave. He will nit be allowed o rest in the gave like the other wicked men for 1000 years.

That is how you are supposed to study the bible, but not you, you take Peter's passage and just assume that the DOTL means this earth burns during that 3.5 years, not understanding that the DOTL begins that transition via Wrath from Satan's reign, to Jesus' reign has placed you down the ole rabbit hole.
 

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Things like this is why you don't need to be teaching Prophecy.

You do not understand what the Day of the Lord actually is, its not just God's Wrath, but it starts with God's Wrath and and lasts through Lord Jesus' 1000 year reign. The Day the Lord starts TAKING OVER his rightful throne via Wrath, then his 1000 year reign that juxtaposes his rule (no willful sin, no murder etc.) vs. Satan's 6000 year rule (murder, sin, chaos, wars) and then the Judgment comes after the 1000 year reign, I think the earth is set on fire and it eventually becomes hell and Satan has won his kingdom as we move to our new heaven and new earth.

So, you not understanding the Day of the Lord only starts with Wrath, but continues with Jesus' reign for 1000 year, hence the Day of the Lord. You seemingly have no ability to dig out all the facts, single verses seem take you down rabbit holes. Isaiah told us precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little because we can't let single verses take us down rabbit holes.

Rev. 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

So, this verse says Satan will deceive THE NATIONS after a 1000 years but you say John is fibbing, ALL BECAUSE you do not understand that Peter is speaking about the Day of the Lord as not only the 3.5 years of Wrath but also his 1000 year reign, he's in the know, you aren't, and you cant seem to add 2 + 2 together, like the verse you cited and Rev. 20:3 in order to get unto the real true understandings.

Let me give you an EXAMPLE why you can't just use one verse in scriptures to get an understanding.

Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Dan. 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

So, which is it? Was the Beast cast ALIVE into hell or was he KILLED and cast into heaven? Rev. 19 seems to say he is cast ALIVE into hell and Dan. 7 seems to say he is KILLED FIRST !!

As a man called unto Prophecy I do not just run with whichever answer backs up my position like you seem to do and to be honest, most people do that but my job is to always get at the truth. I know God never contradicts Himself, we either have a bad translation, or a misunderstanding of the facts (like you not understanding the DOTL lasts not only 3.5 years but for the 1000 year reign). Here is the truth, we have to use the bible at all times to figure out contradictions.

So, all men must die and then the judgment says the bible, the Beast and False Prophet are indeed men. So, those men have to die before a just God can judge them. But whereas all other men who are evil will be judged after the 1000 year reign, the Beast and False Prophet are judged as soon as they die, Gabriel did not lie to Daniel in Dan. 7:11 and neither did the Angel in Revelation 19:20, what that verse means is Beast and the False Prophet will never be allowed to rest in the grave like the other wicked men will do for 1000 years until the second resurrection, the angles will take them as they die straight to hell. We are eternal beings, we have been since God placed His spirit in us. We never die, we will only sleep as Paul stated, in the grave until the resurrection. Thus the Beast will be killed as Dan. 7:11 says, his BODY DESTROYED, and then he is taken straight to hell, and never allowed to rest in the grave. He will nit be allowed o rest in the gave like the other wicked men for 1000 years.

That is how you are supposed to study the bible, but not you, you take Peter's passage and just assume that the DOTL means this earth burns during that 3.5 years, not understanding that the DOTL begins that transition via Wrath from Satan's reign, to Jesus' reign has placed you down the ole rabbit hole.
Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations
which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
 

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He is also the guy in Daniel 8. But I don't believe that means the furture Antichrist has to be Greek. But I do believe that 67BC to 60BC with the defiling of the temple by 64 BC (the middle) the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8, and 66 AD to 73AD with 70 AD in the middle of Daniel 9, are paradigms of the future Antichrist which I believe was prophesied first in Daniel 7 and 12.

In Daniel 11:21-34 we see Antiochus then the chapter ends with the Anti-Christ in verses 36-45, this is the only chapter that references Antiochus Epiphanes so we can get a clear picture of the A.C. and what his TYPE looks like 2200 years before he actually comes. But who ends the chapter? The Anti-Christ, because of course he is the whole point of the end times, we needed to see what his TYPE looks like but the type is not that important in the overall scheme of things, the Anti-Christ is the focal point.

So, in Dan. 7 we are told about a Little Horn and of course everything in Dan. 7 ENDS with the Anti-Christ, Beast, Little Horn. Of course, like Dan. 11, that's the whole point of all of these prophesies, to reveal unto us things about this end time Anti-Christ, its not about Antiochus because Rome was more powerful, but we can get the TYPE juxtaposed unto Israel via Antiochus and the End Time Anti-Christ in Dan. 11. But, every chapter has to end with THE Anti-Christ/Little Horn/Beast to come or it makes zero sense.

Understanding that, now allows me to give you the REAL TRANSITION in Dan. 8.

Dan. 8:7 And I saw him(Goat/Alex the Great) come close unto the ram(Persia), and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. 8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great(Alex the Great): and when he was strong, the great horn was broken(Alex dies); and for it came up four notable ones(Four Generals arise) toward the four winds of heaven.

{{{ HERE we transition from the Four Generals straight unto the Anti-Christ/Little Horn. }}}

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

Since Antiochus was the TYPE of course he will conquer in the exact same directions as the Anti-Christ, but God would never called the end time Anti-Christ the Little Horn in Dan.7 and then turn around one chapter later and call Antiochus the Little Horn, AND God would never, ever end chapter 8 with Antiochus, the bible is all about prophesying the END TIME EVENTS, especially in Daniel, Antiochus is only used to give us a TYPE in chapter 11, every chapter in Daniel must point unto the end time Anti-Christ. So, lets continue.

Dan. 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host(Anti-Christ & False Prophet), and by him(False Prophet) the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed(this means 1150 days not 2300 days). 15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

CONTINUED...............
 
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CONTINUED.....................

So, the above ENDS THE VISION, but if this is how you understand it God has called Antiochus the Little Horn and gave us a vision of Antiochus to end the chapter. Neither of which can be true. The Little Horn is the coming Anti-Christ, not understanding that the 2300 is twice a day (Evening & Morning) sacrifices will throw us down a rabbit hole. Any Daniel understanding that ends with Antiochus makes no sense at all. So, lets see if Gabriel's interpretation clears things up a little.

Dan. 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. 17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: (1)for at the time of the end shall be the vision. 18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. 19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the (2)last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

20 The ram(Persia) which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king(Alex). 22 Now that being broken(Alex dies), whereas four stood up for it(Four Generals), four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

23 And in the (3)latter time of their kingdom, when the (4)transgressors are come to the full, a king of (5)fierce countenance, and (6)understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his (7)power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the (8)mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and (9)he shall magnify himself in his heart, and (10)by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the (11)Prince of princes(Jesus); but he(12) shall be broken without hand.

26 And the vision of the evening and the morning(Not DAYS, the exact same two Hebrew Words were used in verse 14 where they translated it DAYS) which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days(different Hebrew word used fir Day here meaning DAY). 27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

1.) Gabriel explicitly tells Daniel that this vision is an END TIME VISION! Thus it has to end with the Anti-Christ.
2.) This vision will END the indignation of God towards Israel (490 years of penance), Jews repent/70th week.
3.) Is Greece still a Nation? Yes, so the Latter time of their kingdom has to be NOW. Not 2000 years ago!!
4.) Transgressors come to the full means Gods Wrath is full, that happens with the bowls of Wrath/END TIMES.
5.) The Fierce King is the Anti-Christ, not Antiochus whom cowered before three Roman Senators. ;)
6.) Understanding Dark Sentences basically means he has access to the dark world. Matt. 24:24 Miracles !!
7.) Rev. 13 says that the Dragon gives him his POWER and his SEAT. Rome was more powerful than Antiochus.
8.) He overcomes the mighty and holy peoples, Antiochus killed a bunch if Jews, but never conquered Rome.
9.) He will magnify himself over ALL, even over all gods, Antiochus still served Zeus, and was scared of Rome.
10.) He destroys BY PEACE, Antiochus never did this in recorded history, the A.C. will as Dan. 9:27 says.
11.) He stands up (fights) against Jesus (Prince of princes) and we know Antiochus never did that don't we?
12.) He is killed WITHOUT HANDS, Jesus peaks victory. Dan. 2:34 shows us this is Jesus and the END TIMES !!

Dan. 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

Let me add that the 2nd Seal points towards PEACE being taken away from the world. (Point #10 addendum)

Jesus will speak victory, just like he spoke creation. ALL of these keys match the End Time Anti-Christ, not Antiochus Epiphanes sister. Look, I have big time preacher prophecy guys like Jimmy Evans who makes this same mistake. They must see the 2300 days (Satan is a liar and a schemer) and say this can't be the coming Anti-Christ, he only rules for 1260 days. The word DAY has TWO Hebrew words they translated into day, one means Evening the other means Morning, thus its 2300 evening and morning sacrifices that are taken away. And its not profane meat sacrifices anyway, its Jesus worship that is forbidden. Gabriel came to Daniel in Daniel 9:21 about the time of the EVENING OBLATION !! So, if Daniel had of been forbidden from worshiping God for 2300 Evening AND Morning Oblations how many days would that have taken? Easy answer, 1150 days.

Nothing in Dan. 8:9-14 matches Antiochus, it all matches the Anti-Christ and the End Times. The Little Horn is the Anti-Christ, not Antiochus, Daniel points us towards the END TIMES in each vision, not 2200 years ago. There can be no middle of the week in 70 AD because the week starts with an AGREEMENT (Covenant) between the Anti-Christ, Israel and MANY NATIONS.

God Bless....I will have to show you latter why the Anti--Christ MUST be born in Greece, the key is Daniel 8:9.
 
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Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming
I am not going to chat with a person who has no ability to reason and just copy and pastes stuff. I have known you from other sites, so I knw your M.O. You seem to think shouting makes you be heard, the fact you cant reasonably defend your points and just continue the SHOUTING while ignoring the facts tells me I am wasting my time.
 

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In Daniel 11:21-34 we see Antiochus then the chapter ends with the Anti-Christ in verses 36-45, this is the only chapter that references Antiochus Epiphanes so we can get a clear picture if the A.C.

Read chapter 8. That is the clearest identification of Antiochus Epiphanes IV. When Michael fights with the prince of Greece, that is also talking about this guy. For Daniel it is the next big thing that will be happening to Israel, long before Daniel 9.
 

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I am not going to chat with a person who has no ability to reason and just copy and pastes stuff. I have known you from other sites, so I knw your M.O. You seem to think shouting makes you be heard, the fact you cant reasonably defend your points and just continue the SHOUTING while ignoring the facts tells me I am wasting my time.
No, you are not wasting your time for hearing the truth. For at this precise moment, you are at the line, or focal point between the errors of "church-ianity" and Biblical truth, being presented to you by the Holy Spirit.

Did you know that in the Textus Receptus Greek Text (TRG), all of 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, is all written to be understood in the PLURAL?
Unfortunately, the translators of the KJV either accidently or purposely mistranslated it.
In the TRG text, there is NO person hinted at or implied as being a singular man, being called "THE" Antichrist.

But, if that weren't bad enough, Westcott & Hort came along, with their own Greek Text version (mostly all newer bibles and JW/WT) and compounded the KJV error into TOTAL corruption and confusion.
 

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Read chapter 8. That is the clearest identification of Antiochus Epiphanes IV. When Michael fights with the prince of Greece, that is also talking about this guy. For Daniel it is the next big thing that will be happening to Israel, long before Daniel 9.
Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and final judgement, as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 

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No, you are not wasting your time for hearing the truth. For at this precise moment, you are at the line, or focal point between the errors of "church-ianity" and Biblical truth, being presented to you by the Holy Spirit.

Did you know that in the Textus Receptus Greek Text (TRG), all of 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, is all written to be understood in the PLURAL?
Unfortunately, the translators of the KJV either accidently or purposely mistranslated it.
In the TRG text, there is NO person hinted at or implied as being a singular man, being called "THE" Antichrist.

But, if that weren't bad enough, Westcott & Hort came along, with their own Greek Text version (mostly all newer bibles and JW/WT) and compounded the KJV error into TOTAL corruption and confusion.
Are you suggesting you represent the Holy Spirit?
 

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Read chapter 8. That is the clearest identification of Antiochus Epiphanes IV. When Michael fights with the prince of Greece, that is also talking about this guy. For Daniel it is the next big thing that will be happening to Israel, long before Daniel 9.

Did you not read the reply, because I had all of chapter 8 in the post and why it cant be Antiochus. Thus if you read it you wouldn't have made that statement.

Dan. 10 is about Michael (fighting with the Demon prince of Persia, not Greece) mandating that Alexander the Great be allowed to defeat Persia. The Demon who resisted him was Apollyon (Prince of Persia).

You tried to answer a post saying if I will read Daniel chapter 8, when ALL of chapter 8 is in the post I put forth, proving you didn't read the post. I never reply to a posts I don't read, why would one do that?

Daniel 7, 8, 9 and 11 all end with the Anti-Christ.
 

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No, you are not wasting your time for hearing the truth. For at this precise moment, you are at the line, or focal point between the errors of "church-ianity" and Biblical truth, being presented to you by the Holy Spirit.

Did you know that in the Textus Receptus Greek Text (TRG), all of 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, is all written to be understood in the PLURAL?
Unfortunately, the translators of the KJV either accidently or purposely mistranslated it.
In the TRG text, there is NO person hinted at or implied as being a singular man, being called "THE" Antichrist.

But, if that weren't bad enough, Westcott & Hort came along, with their own Greek Text version (mostly all newer bibles and JW/WT) and compounded the KJV error into TOTAL corruption and confusion.
What get from you, who I am not interested in conversing with at this moment tbh, is a person who tries to use a worldly type of way of coming to know God, and this will always fail miserably. I destroyed you on a couple of things and you then tried getting cute and tricky like the Pharisees did with Jesus, and I am not in the least bit interested in wasting my time with trivial trivialities.

I was on the streets at 10, running a pool hall in the city, running with grown men by 12. None of these kiddy like tricks does anything but amuse me. It makes me lose interest, I don't like wasting time, I have blogs, I am on many End Time Prophecy boards, at Quora the have asked me to become a writer. I am writing a book on End Time Prophecy. Point being, I don't have time to waste via playing games, if you want to speak in a sensible manner, I am OK with that, I can even respect a guy who has bullets in his arsenal via different points of views, even when he's wrong, but you were shooting blanks and I had a bazooka, and you just gave up and started trying to be the Quip Maestro.
 

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Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and final judgement, as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


Yes, the "little horn" of Daniel 7 is THE Antichrist in our immediate future. Daniel 7 and 12 is about end times in our future.

The "little horn" of Daniel 8 is the the emperor during the first Jewish revolt from 67BC to 60BC. Antiochus Epiphanes IV defiled the temple in 64 BC, and then he died.

The second Jewish revolt from 66 AD to 73 AD is Daniel 9. 70 AD is in the middle of the week.

The pattern of 7 years are paradigms and we can be assured that the GT will be 7 years as shown in Rev. 12:13-17 and 13:1-8

Verse 11 of Rev. 13 is another vision and a repeat of Rev. 12 and 13 above.