The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

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quietthinker

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If the Sabbath is NOT ceremonial...
Then what is it and why?
The fourth commandment tells us in Exodus 20:8-11
We are to remember it as a memorial to God being the Creator.

It asks us to Remember. It is not a prohibition and there is nothing ceremonial about it.
 

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Even the ten no one obeyed. Adultery for instance. One look sometime in your life and you are an adulterer.
Exactly.
I'm married. I appreciate good looking people, their appearance. If I think a man is very handsome and he's not my husband, that's adultery.
And a damnable sin.

Impossible rules, predetermined destiny.

When God tells us he's set the future to happen as he wills, what is there about obedience that makes sense on our part? He's predetermined everything. Even those destined for Hell.
Which is why he's determined he'll save a select few whom he calls his Elect.
 

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Exactly.
I'm married. I appreciate good looking people, their appearance. If I think a man is very handsome and he's not my husband, that's adultery.
And a damnable sin.

Impossible rules, predetermined destiny.

When God tells us he's set the future to happen as he wills, what is there about obedience that makes sense on our part? He's predetermined everything. Even those destined for Hell.
Which is why he's determined he'll save a select few whom he calls his Elect.
Well, I would not say it is 'damnable' We are saved. A just man sins seven times a day. No one would need to forgive others if they did not sin also. No stray look is going to damn us. No blinders will save us either! God saves every one that asks. Then they are elect, because they elected Him. That means He elects them also.
 

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and what if you look twice? o_O
What if a just man falls seven times a day? The point of the law is to show we are sinners. I find one of the greatest sins to be pretending we are not! People try to do the best they can, and follow His rules as much as they can. That is not what saves us.
 

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Exactly.
I'm married. I appreciate good looking people, their appearance. If I think a man is very handsome and he's not my husband, that's adultery.
And a damnable sin.

Impossible rules, predetermined destiny.

When God tells us he's set the future to happen as he wills, what is there about obedience that makes sense on our part? He's predetermined everything. Even those destined for Hell.
Which is why he's determined he'll save a select few whom he calls his Elect.
might I remind you of an earlier question I put to you which as not been answered.
In your profile it says you are in Canada and Panama City.....can you explain this discrepancy?
 

quietthinker

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You've a serious fixation with objecting to empowered women.
What a sin.
What! ....do you really find it objectionable that Eve is not the mother of Adam? ....All right, call her Adams mother if you like......maybe its like naming Panama City as being in Canada?
 

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With respect, you won't find anything that says they didn't, either.
Well the whole point of Christians being required to observe the 7th day Sabbath would be (a) incidents recorded in Scripture showing that that is exactly what they did and (b) commandments through the apostles reminding Christians that the 7th day Sabbath was to be observed in all the churches. If the Holy Spirit devoted sixteen verses to tell the churches that Christian women must cover their heads and hair during worship (1 Cor 11), then surely we would have had at least one or two verses telling us that the 7th day Sabbath was for believers in Christ. But the total ABSENCE of either scenario means that the Lord's Day is the Christian Sabbath.
 

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What! ....do you really find it objectionable that Eve is not the mother of Adam? ....All right, call her Adams mother if you like......maybe its like naming Panama City as being in Canada?
If that's what you meant in that comment about Eve, I'd suggest you drop the sarcasm.
 

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If the Sabbath is NOT ceremonial...Then what is it and why?
No the 7th day Sabbath was not ceremonial in that no ceremonies were to be observed on that day. During the time of Christ (and since the time of Ezra-Nehemiah) the Sabbath was a day of rest and worship. Hence Jews went to the synagogues to worship on Sabbath days. Christ Himself went to the synagogues in the same manner, but He also chose to heal on Sabbath days, and that too within synagogues (much to the chagrin of the Pharisees, scribes, and elders).
 

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what did you think I meant?
Since Christians study the Bible and know the Genesis creation passages, and that God created Adam and Eve, which your sarcasm ignored, you attempted to impugn Eve and her God given status as mother of all living with a ridiculous crack that mocked the order of humans creation.
 

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Well the whole point of Christians being required to observe the 7th day Sabbath would be (a) incidents recorded in Scripture showing that that is exactly what they did and (b) commandments through the apostles reminding Christians that the 7th day Sabbath was to be observed in all the churches. If the Holy Spirit devoted sixteen verses to tell the churches that Christian women must cover their heads and hair during worship (1 Cor 11), then surely we would have had at least one or two verses telling us that the 7th day Sabbath was for believers in Christ. But the total ABSENCE of either scenario means that the Lord's Day is the Christian Sabbath.
you can do backflips and front flips, you can turn yourself inside out and change your gender but you will never erase the Commandment which says:-
'Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Exodus 20:8-11

You will never unbless the day which he has blessed and unhallow that which he has hallowed.
You will never bless the day which he hasn't blessed and hallow the day which he hasn't hallowed.
 

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Don't have time to look back at our entire exchange, but I probably meant to post Revelation 17:8. It's the other part of the Book of Life refutation of OSAS.

"... they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world,... "
Revelation 17:8

Their names were never there... so it is not Biblically accurate to claim that ALL of mankind is written in it.

All lives born are written in the book of life, and the damned names have been blotted out upon their death when they are judged. That judgment has to do with if their name stays or is removed.

BTW, I do not believe in the common interpretation of OSAS. But I do believe in assurance, but we are involved. 1 John 3:21-24
 

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... the total ABSENCE of either scenario means that the Lord's Day is the Christian Sabbath.
But doesn't that make YOU the definer of what absences from scripture mean? And isn't that a rather complex definition?

The absence of specific information somehow means that we are to observe Sunday as our day of worship in place of Saturday, the Biblically-declared day? So the absence of information is a special signal from... somebody... somewhere... that we are to completely disregard one of the Commandments of God and alter how that Commandment is kept?

And aren't we supposed to allow scripture to define scripture?

Not a very strong case.

I think it's pretty simple, and fool-proof, to just live as Jesus lived. Obey and observe what He did.
1 John 2:6
John 15:10

Isn't that what Christian means, after all? A follower of Christ?
 

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Since Christians study the Bible and know the Genesis creation passages, and that God created Adam and Eve, which your sarcasm ignored, you attempted to impugn Eve and her God given status as mother of all living with a ridiculous crack that mocked the order of humans creation.
You have a lively imagination, however, it is out of line with any intention of mine.....but while you're at it you might like to answer my question re your profile information being incongruent. In Australia we call it lying.....kind of an odd thing for someone who considers reverence for the Law important.
 

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All lives born are written in the book of life, and the damned names have been blotted out upon their death when they are judged. That judgment has to do with if their name stays or is removed.

BTW, I do not believe in the common interpretation of OSAS. But I do believe in assurance, but we are involved. 1 John 3:21-24
The Bible says right there in the verse that the names were not written there at any point from the time of the foundation of the world. Not sure how you're missing that.
Revelation 17:8
 

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You have a lively imagination, however, it is out of line with any intention of mine.....but while you're at it you might like to answer my question re your profile information being incongruent. In Australia we call it lying.....kind of an odd thing for someone who considers reverence for the Law important.
You asked how I understood your post. Now, to avoid the rules violations here, you're resorting to a ridiculous tactic so to call me a liar.

There's something wrong with you.
 
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