Christians are not under the New Covenant

[theefaith]

@ theefaith....Please remove your post #833 because you only put "Moriah said" and then put what I actually said, which was only "My faith is revealed through scripture" in that portion that is highlighted in orange. It does not belong with your comments at all. It belong ONLY in the area the I really said it in...not in your reply section!!!!
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Moriah's Song said: ↑
My faith is revealed through scripture

Must be taught by Christ! Gal 1:2

What God has revealed by scripture and the church, the teaching authority of the apostles has proposed for our belief!

Christians must be instructed or taught!

A Christian must have humility and obedience of faith to be taught by Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life!
Jn 14:6

Verses of scripture signifying that we must be taught.

Lk 1:4
Matt 18:17
Matt 28:19

you don’t have a faith, there is no personal covenant no personal salvation no personal faith

only thee faith eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

I was only replying to youre statement
“My faith is revealed in scripture”

 

[theefaith]

YOU HAVE MY QUOTE IN YOUR REPLY SECTION....REMOVE IT! YOUR QUOTE OF MINE DOES NOT BELONG IN YOUR "REPLY" SECTION.

well we also believe in scripture

 

[keithr]

Your post on the millennium is contrary to Catholicism it seems from this....

I don't know why you would make that comment - it should be obvious that I am not a member of the Roman Catholic church and that I disagree with a lot of their stated beliefs. Some people on this forum have even thought that I was a Jehovah's Witness (but I'm not)! My only claim would be that I am a Christian. Man made church organisations are not all that important - what you believe and how you live your life is more important. According to Why does Christianity have so many denominations? there are over 45,000 denominations worldwide, but at least 44,999 of them must be wrong in their stated beliefs!

Jesus said, Matthew 7:15-20 (ESV):

(15) “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
(16) You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
(17) So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
(18) A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
(19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
(20) Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.​

That's why I commented recently (in post #726) that "I consider them [Jehovah's Witnesses] to be far better Christians than the majority of so called Christians from most of the other thousands of denominations", because in my view the fruits of the JW's are closer to the Christian ideal than most denominations.

 

[Moriah's Song]

When Jesus was twelve they went up to Jerusalem, the holy family, Joseph, Mary, and Jesus. Where are the brothers and sisters?

Just because the half-brothers and sisters are not mentioned in this event or other events does not mean that they did not exist. Joseph is also not mentioned after this event either.

Most say Joseph died sometime before Jesus began his ministry and that is probably accurate.

The primary purpose of the NT gospels is to reveal the Messiah's divinity and his fulfillment of the promise of salvation through his sacrifice and resurrection.

 

[Moriah's Song]

My question to "theefaith" was:
"If you say that Protestantism is heretical, then what is not heretical?" and of which "theefaith" responded with.....

catholic and divine faith
Truth revealed by Christ and taught by holy mother church

(From post#844) - I don't know why you would make that comment - it should be obvious that I am not a member of the Roman Catholic church and that I disagree with a lot of their stated beliefs.

I never thought you were a JW but the following quotes led us to believe that you at least adhere to the beliefs of the Roman Catholic church.

(From post #831)...The church wrote the New Testament, the church gathered the cannon of scripture, the church alone has authority to say what is, and what is not scripture and to give the authoritative interpretation or meaning of scripture!

Not spiritual pride & self-righteous private judgement!

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)

Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.
Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

As you said....Athanasius Creed! (From the early church) was written by MAN. The Athanasius Creed of the Catholic church is not in scripture and is not what scripture teaches about being saved.

(From post #830) Mary outlived Jesus and she believed Jesus, so of course she was (or became) a Christian. The same applies to Jesus' brothers and the other apostles - it's not that hard to figure out!

In this quote you indicate that Jesus had brothers but in another post you claim that she did not. (??)

In post #820, I had asked you this question..."If you say that Protestantism is heretical, then what is not heretical" which you responded with...

catholic and divine faith
Truth revealed by Christ and taught by holy mother church

That sure gave us the impression that you either belong to the Roman Catholic church, left it or intend to join it since you defend it so much on this thread.

Now in your lengthy post #834 I have a few thoughts on what you had to say...

Perpetual Virginity of Mary!

Mary conceived "without any detriment to her virginity, which remained inviolate even after his birth" (apostolic Council of the Lateran, 649) with the jurisdictional authority of Peter and the apostles in holy council! Matt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 eph 2:20 bound on earth bound in heaven!

Mat 13:53-57...And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?" And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house."

(Mary had become the temple & dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone?)

Yes, Mary was the vessel of the Messiah. However, that did not mean that Mary remained a holy vessel AFTER she gave birth as it would have been totally inconsistent with God's mandate to 'be fruitful and multiply'. Besides, scripture does quite clearly indicate that Jesus had brothers and sisters but they were not holy while in Mary's womb.

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s a vow of perpetual virginity, She refuses even the exalted dignity of mother of God and mother of our savior if it means violating Her vow of perpetual virginity)

All Mary was saying about herself was that she had never had sex. It in no way "implies a vow of perpetual virginity! Mary did not completely understand how she could become pregnant without having sex with a man and that is all.

Matt 1:25 He knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

Remember and take the words in this verse you quote seriously...."[Joseph] did not have sex with Mary UNTIL Jesus was born! That is very clear that she was free to have other children with Joseph.

The Bible says Joseph a just and therefore a chaste man, it does not say he has gone into Mary anywhere in scripture,

Yes, Joseph was a chaste man. Yet, that only referred to his being a chaste man throughout Mary's pregnancy. Neither Mary nor Joseph took a vow of chastity throughout their married life anywhere in scripture. It is merely your opinion and a false one at that.

Brothers and sisters of Jesus? They are not the children of Mary!
Is 7:14 a virgin shall conceive and bear a son!
(One son, singular)

Once again, Jesus had brothers and sisters through Mary according to scripture. As for Isaiah's prophecy? Yes, the prophet does say that "a virgin shall conceive and bear a son!" (One son, singular) Correct! Mary only conceived one Son in her womb - not twins! Nor does it speak of her "perpetual virginity! Nor does it speak of how many children she would be having after the birth of Jesus

The 12 sons of Jacob are brothers but all are not the children of Leah and all are not the children of Rachel! They had 4 mother’s, These may be brothers but they are simply not the children of One mother and the brothers of Jesus are not the children of Mary!

All you have done here is to take two completely different situations and treat them as if it was proper to treat them the same. There is no truth in doing that

Mk 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

There are 3 peoples names that come after the last half of that verse that could be taken as "Mary, the mother of James the less, Joses, and Salome" with Joses and Salome not being the children of Mary the mother of James. (It is just not clear enough for me to go into without doing a thorough research on that verse)

The "sisters" of Jesus refer to women disciples

Have you not said that Mary remained a perpetual virgin???

If scripture indicates that Mary had sons and daughters then that is all we can say about it. BUT the "sisters" of Jesus does not mean that those sisters were disciples....except that all believers in Jesus are disciples of Jesus.

 

[keithr]

From post #844
I never thought you were a JW but the following quotes led us to believe that you at least adhere to the beliefs of the Roman Catholic church.
From post #831As you said....

I didn't write post #831 - 'theefaith' did.

From post #830In this quote you indicate that Jesus had brothers but in another post you claim that she did not. (??)

Again you seem to be imagining that theefaith and me are the same person - we're not!

In post #820, I had asked you this question..."If you say that Protestantism is heretical, then what is not heretical" which you responded with...That sure gave us the impression that you either belong to the Roman Catholic church, left it or intend to join it since you defend it so much on this thread.

'theefaith' is a Roman Catholic, he has declared himself to be so. I am not.

Now in your lengthy post #834 I have a few thoughts on what you had to say...
Did you not say that Jesus had brothers in post# 830?

#834 is a post by theefaith. #830 is a post by me. If you can get simple things like that wrong then no wonder that you misunderstand some of the Scriptures too!

 

[Moriah's Song]

#834 is a post by theefaith. #830 is a post by me. If you can get simple things like that wrong then no wonder that you misunderstand some of the Scriptures too!

I apologize for that but it is inappropriate of you to compare my knowledge of scripture to unintentionally getting two postings mixed up and I will edit my post. I do appreciate you bringing it to my attention though - but not the insult.

 

[keithr]

I apologize for that but it is inappropriate of you to compare my knowledge of scripture to unintentionally getting two postings mixed up and I will edit my post. I do appreciate you bringing it to my attention though - but not the insult.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insult you. I was just trying to emphasise the importance of giving attention to the details, otherwise it can lead to misunderstanding.

 

[Moriah's Song]

We all make mistakes sometimes. I'm still working on it.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Awesome: apologizing, humility, and working on it! Amen?

"Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!"
(Psalm_133:1)

 

[Moriah's Song]

Perpetual Virginity of Mary!
Mary conceived "without any detriment to her virginity, which remained inviolate even after his birth" (apostolic Council of the Lateran, 649)

There is no basis for the Perpetual Virginity doctrine that exists within the Scriptures. There are just too many verses in scripture that reveal that Mary had children. (6 in total most theo's say)

Wikipedia: "at the Lateran Synod of 649 Pope Martin I emphasized the threefold character of the perpetual virginity, before, during, and after the birth of Christ."​

That makes it a "man-made" tradition because it is not scripturaly supported. There are over 14 verses that, if read with an open mind to seek truth from scripture alone, then it should be quite clear that the Roman Catholic church has deceived their parisioners for decades.

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Gal 1:19 - But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother.
1Co 15:7 - Then he appeared to James, [the Lord's brother] then to all the apostles.

Mat 12:46-50...While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. Some one told him, "Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, asking to speak to you." But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother, and sister, and mother."

Mar 3:31-35...And his mother and his brothers came; and standing outside they sent to him and called him. And a crowd was sitting about him; and they said to him, "Your mother and your brothers are outside, asking for you." And he replied, "Who are my mother and my brothers?" And looking around on those who sat about him, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does the will of God is my brother, and sister, and mother."

Luk 8:19-21 RSV - 19 Then his mother and his brothers came to [Jesus], but they could not reach him for the crowd. 20 And he was told, "Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see you." 21 But he said to them, "My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it."​

Mat 13:53-58..."And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?" And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house." And he did not do many mighty works there, because of their unbelief.

Mar 6:1- 4...He went away from there and came to his own country; and his disciples followed him. And on the sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue; and many who heard him were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get all this? What is the wisdom given to him? What mighty works are wrought by his hands! Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon, and are not his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him. And Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor, except in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house."

Jhn 2:12..After this he went down to Caper'na-um, with his mother and his brothers and his disciples; and there they stayed for a few days.

Jhn 7:3-5,10...So his brothers said to him, "Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples may see the works you are doing. For no man works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world." For even his brothers did not believe in him. 10)But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private.

Act 1:14...All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

1Co 9:5...Do we not have the right to be accompanied by a wife, as the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?

Jude 1:1 Jde 1:1...Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and brother of James, To those who are called, beloved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ: [Note: The Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary on who Jude is says this..." Similarly, Jude the brother of our Lord, and Jude the apostle, seem to be one and the same. Jerome [Against Helvidius], rightly maintains that by the Lord's brethren are meant his cousins, children of Mary and Cleophas (the same as Alphæus).

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Mar 10:29- 30... Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life.

Luk 14:26..."If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.

Luk 18:29-30...And he said to them, "Truly, I say to you, there is no man who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, who will not receive manifold more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life."​

WHY DOES JESUS REFER TO HIS MOTHER, HIS BROTHERS AND HIS SISTERS SO OFTEN IN THE MANNER IN WHICH HE DOES IN THE 3 VERSES ABOVE?

It is because Jesus is to be at the center of each believer in Christ --- even over their mother, their father, their spouses, their siblings or even the pastor of their church because we are all human and err. That was Adam's biggest fault, he put Eve over God and listened to her instead of adhering to what God had told him in the Garden.

 

[theefaith]

My question to "theefaith" was:
"If you say that Protestantism is heretical, then what is not heretical?" and of which "theefaith" responded with.....


I never thought you were a JW but the following quotes led us to believe that you at least adhere to the beliefs of the Roman Catholic church.

As you said....Athanasius Creed! (From the early church) was written by MAN. The Athanasius Creed of the Catholic church is not in scripture and is not what scripture teaches about being saved.

In this quote you indicate that Jesus had brothers but in another post you claim that she did not. (??)

In post #820, I had asked you this question..."If you say that Protestantism is heretical, then what is not heretical" which you responded with...That sure gave us the impression that you either belong to the Roman Catholic church, left it or intend to join it since you defend it so much on this thread.

Now in your lengthy post #834 I have a few thoughts on what you had to say...

Mat 13:53-57...And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?" And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house."

Yes, Mary was the vessel of the Messiah. However, that did not mean that Mary remained a holy vessel AFTER she gave birth as it would have been totally inconsistent with God's mandate to 'be fruitful and multiply'. Besides, scripture does quite clearly indicate that Jesus had brothers and sisters but they were not holy while in Mary's womb.
All Mary was saying about herself was that she had never had sex. It in no way "implies a vow of perpetual virginity! Mary did not completely understand how she could become pregnant without having sex with a man and that is all.
Remember and take the words in this verse you quote seriously...."[Joseph] did not have sex with Mary UNTIL Jesus was born! That is very clear that she was free to have other children with Joseph.
Yes, Joseph was a chaste man. Yet, that only referred to his being a chaste man throughout Mary's pregnancy. Neither Mary nor Joseph took a vow of chastity throughout their married life anywhere in scripture. It is merely your opinion and a false one at that.
Once again, Jesus had brothers and sisters through Mary according to scripture. As for Isaiah's prophecy? Yes, the prophet does say that "a virgin shall conceive and bear a son!" (One son, singular) Correct! Mary only conceived one Son in her womb - not twins! Nor does it speak of her "perpetual virginity! Nor does it speak of how many children she would be having after the birth of Jesus
All you have done here is to take two completely different situations and treat them as if it was proper to treat them the same. There is no truth in doing that
There are 3 peoples names that come after the last half of that verse that could be taken as "Mary, the mother of James the less, Joses, and Salome" with Joses and Salome not being the children of Mary the mother of James. (It is just not clear enough for me to go into without doing a thorough research on that verse)
Have you not said that Mary remained a perpetual virgin???

If scripture indicates that Mary had sons and daughters then that is all we can say about it. BUT the "sisters" of Jesus does not mean that those sisters were disciples....except that all believers in Jesus are disciples of Jesus.

lk 1:34 prevents any children and the scripture says she she shall conceive and bear a son, one singular, and her son must be God!

 

[theefaith]

There is no basis for the Perpetual Virginity doctrine that exists within the Scriptures. There are just too many verses in scripture that reveal that Mary had children. (6 in total most theo's say)

Wikipedia: "at the Lateran Synod of 649 Pope Martin I emphasized the threefold character of the perpetual virginity, before, during, and after the birth of Christ."​

That makes it a "man-made" tradition because it is not scripturaly supported. There are over 14 verses that, if read with an open mind to seek truth from scripture alone, then it should be quite clear that the Roman Catholic church has deceived their parisioners for decades.

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Gal 1:19 - But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother.
1Co 15:7 - Then he appeared to James, [the Lord's brother] then to all the apostles.

Mat 12:46-50...While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. Some one told him, "Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, asking to speak to you." But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother, and sister, and mother."

Mar 3:31-35...And his mother and his brothers came; and standing outside they sent to him and called him. And a crowd was sitting about him; and they said to him, "Your mother and your brothers are outside, asking for you." And he replied, "Who are my mother and my brothers?" And looking around on those who sat about him, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does the will of God is my brother, and sister, and mother."

Luk 8:19-21 RSV - 19 Then his mother and his brothers came to [Jesus], but they could not reach him for the crowd. 20 And he was told, "Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see you." 21 But he said to them, "My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it."​

Mat 13:53-58..."And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?" And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house." And he did not do many mighty works there, because of their unbelief.

Mar 6:1- 4...He went away from there and came to his own country; and his disciples followed him. And on the sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue; and many who heard him were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get all this? What is the wisdom given to him? What mighty works are wrought by his hands! Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon, and are not his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him. And Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor, except in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house."

Jhn 2:12..After this he went down to Caper'na-um, with his mother and his brothers and his disciples; and there they stayed for a few days.

Jhn 7:3-5,10...So his brothers said to him, "Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples may see the works you are doing. For no man works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world." For even his brothers did not believe in him. 10)But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private.

Act 1:14...All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

1Co 9:5...Do we not have the right to be accompanied by a wife, as the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?

Jude 1:1 Jde 1:1...Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and brother of James, To those who are called, beloved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ: [Note: The Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary on who Jude is says this..." Similarly, Jude the brother of our Lord, and Jude the apostle, seem to be one and the same. Jerome [Against Helvidius], rightly maintains that by the Lord's brethren are meant his cousins, children of Mary and Cleophas (the same as Alphæus).

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Mar 10:29- 30... Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life.

Luk 14:26..."If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.

Luk 18:29-30...And he said to them, "Truly, I say to you, there is no man who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, who will not receive manifold more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life."​

WHY DOES JESUS REFER TO HIS MOTHER, HIS BROTHERS AND HIS SISTERS SO OFTEN IN THE MANNER IN WHICH HE DOES IN THE 3 VERSES ABOVE?

It is because Jesus is to be at the center of each believer in Christ --- even over their mother, their father, their spouses, their siblings or even the pastor of their church because we are all human and err. That was Adam's biggest fault, he put Eve over God and listened to her instead of adhering to what God had told him in the Garden.

why does it need be in scripture?
The rule of faith for true Christians is not scripture alone but Christ and his church


Truth must be revealed by Christ to his church. Jude 1:3 the holy church teaches all nations. Matt 28:19 without error. Jn 16:13

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14

 

[Moriah's Song]

why does it need be in scripture?

Because without scripture all we would have is billions of opinions to go by.

Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life..."

What Jesus says has top priority over all opinions and man-made doctrines of men...including "the Lateran Synod of 649 Pope Martin."And therefore what Jesus said about his own family should always take center place when we develop our beliefs.

 

[Moriah's Song]

The rule of faith for true Christians is not scripture alone

I disagree.
As I have said before...Scripture takes PRIORITY over anything anyone says or writes outside of scripture and should always be checked with scripture to verify that it does not contradict the written "Word."

What I do is this...If someone on a forum says that "the word was a god" I immediately know that is false because it does not agree with God's Word.

If someone then says that they do not believe in the Trinity, then I cut a little slack there because the word itself is not in the Bible even though the conclusion that a born-again Christian comes to about the trinity is correct because the "principle" is there. Yet, that does not make it a "tradition." It is a concluding "fact" based on proper exegesis of the Word.

When the Roman Catholic church puts traditions and catechisms above scripture they are not on solid ground which means that their parishioners have been deceived for centuries.

 

[theefaith]

Because without scripture all we would have is billions of opinions to go by.

Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life..."

What Jesus says has top priority over all opinions and man-made doctrines of men...including "the Lateran Synod of 649 Pope Martin."And therefore what Jesus said about his own family should always take center place when we develop our beliefs.

then why don’t you believe him and obey?

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.


Spiritual Fathers (apostles) have care for our souls!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

 

[Moriah's Song]

then why don’t you believe him and obey?

First you need to explain how it is that you know that I "don't believe him."

Secondly, you need to explain how it is that you know that I "don't obey him."

 

[theefaith]

I disagree.
As I have said before...Scripture takes PRIORITY over anything anyone says or writes outside of scripture and should always be checked with scripture to verify that it does not contradict the written "Word."

What I do is this...If someone on a forum says that "the word was a god" I immediately know that is false because it does not agree with God's Word.

If someone then says that they do not believe in the Trinity, then I cut a little slack there because the word itself is not in the Bible even though the conclusion that a born-again Christian comes to about the trinity is correct because the "principle" is there. Yet, that does not make it a "tradition." It is a concluding "fact" based on proper exegesis of the Word.

When the Roman Catholic church puts traditions and catechisms above scripture they are not on solid ground which means that their parishioners have been deceived for centuries.

Is the story of Susana in dan 13 scripture?

without the teaching authority of Christ and his church you cannot know what is and what is not scripture, the king James boys deleted whole books and chapters by the tradition of men

is the word of God limited to scripture?

 

[Moriah's Song]

is the word of God limited to scripture?

Sounds like a trick question to me. But the truth is ....It's a "yes" and a "no"!

It is a "yes" when you post things that are clearly opinions based on what the RCC has taught their parishioners to believe that clearly contradicts God's Word. But it would be a "no" if is was clear that you had chosen to question the teachings of the RCC and done some research that helped you to see things the way they are intended to be and helped you in such a manner that, if you were truly seeking truth, you could not deny the fact that you and millions of others have been taught false doctrines for centuries.

The link between "biblical authority" and "interpretation" was a hallmark of Protestant thought. A byproduct of the Reformation’s doctrine of sola Scriptura was the development of resources, such as concordances and study guides, to help readers become more proficient in expounding Scripture. Drawing upon the Reformers’ insights, here are four handy hermeneutical tools to help you “rightly divide” the hard sayings of the Bible (2 Tim. 2:15).

First, know the context. The most fundamental rule in biblical interpretation is the analogy of Scripture. Let Scripture interpret Scripture. Every biblical text is situated in a biblical context. Take time to define difficult words, locate unknown places, and summarize the main point of the passage. Ask how the verse in question contributes to the logic of the chapter and the plotline of the book. Compare unclear passages with clearer portions of the Bible that refer to the same teaching or event. Returning to John 6, Jesus’ comments about the bread of life should not only be read against the backdrop of the feeding of the five thousand but also in reference to God’s providing manna for Israel in Exodus 16 and Numbers 11.

Second, check your theology. The Reformers also emphasized the analogy of faith. No interpretation should contradict the overall theology of Scripture. Although your grammatical-historical analysis may be complete, if your interpretation compromises the truths of the Christian faith, you can be sure that you have interpreted the text incorrectly. A solid confession of faith and a trusty systematic theology are invaluable resources for outlining the orthodox boundaries within which biblical exegesis flourishes.

Third, listen to the saints of scripture writers. While church history and current biblical scholarship are not inherently authoritative and can at times reflect minimal doctrinal consensus, exegesis does not occur in a historical vacuum. The best exegetes learn from the communion of the saints; the writers of books in the Bible. The ascended Christ has given teachers and preachers for the purpose of helping His people understand His Word better. Commentaries, study Bibles, and sermons are among the exegete’s best friends but they should never be the FINAL WORD. Check your interpretations against the findings of the very best biblical interpreters both in the past and present.

Finally, rely on the Spirit. Biblical interpretation is a spiritual exercise. We must depend upon the illuminating work of the Holy Spirit to avoid error and interpret the Word of God correctly. As Jesus states, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all” (John 6:63). Jesus’ words are hard not because they are obscure but because they are impossible to believe without the Holy Spirit.

 

[Moriah's Song]

without the teaching authority of Christ and his church you cannot know what is and what is not scripture,

Can you explain...

~ what, or who, you mean by teaching authority? Do you mean only the RCC as everyone's teaching authority?
~ what do you mean by his church? Is it the Roman Catholic church only?
~ are you saying that all those verses about Mary's family that I posted from scripture are false and heretical and that the RCC is the only correct teaching?​

If you still deny those verses of mine above about Mary's children, then how do you explain these three verses?

Mat 1:25...but knew her not until she had borne a son; and he called his name Jesus.
Gal 1:19 - But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother.
1Co 15:7 - Then he appeared to James, [the Lord's brother] then to all the apostles.
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Without altering any of these three scripture verses, are you going to say that they are heretical?