I think I just need to get to know people better. sometimes we miss the visual context of conversation and get it wrong.My goodness, Doxley, I did not realize that sounded harsh. It certainly wasn't intended to be that way.
I feel I can be honest with @stunnedbygrace, and she can be blunt with me. That's a good thing. (Though I may soon regret saying that.)
The Unsaved Man Does Not Need To “Stop Sinning”
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Eternally Grateful
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Non responsive.
If you want to discuss the word feel free. But all your doing is showing you really have nothing. So you attempt to cut down the one who is exposing you
Way to go
Eternally Grateful
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You do?
So John said whoever sins has never seen God
Yet you say the Bible says a christian can return to sin.
And your attacking me?
(Well I see why. Because its all you have)
it took me a long time to understand this but Gods mercy and Gods grace are two different things. His mercy is His kindness and long suffering(patience) with us and His always being ready to forgive. He knows our frame.
His grace is different. It’s power to us and for us. The power to escape our three enemies - the world, the flesh and the devil, and to have power over them so they can no longer control and batter us by appealing to our passions, will, emotions.
We tend to believe and understand that God is merciful but to not yet understand how powerful His grace is and that it can literally put our enemies under our feet.
His grace is what Paul talked about here: And He said unto me, “My grace is sufficent for thee, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Most gladly therefore will I glory rather in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Thank you Grace. I just worry that there are people out there who don't feel like they are part of God's plan and I don't know what I would say to them. I understand the transformation that happens when you accept Christ, I just don't know how they would even get to the starting post when it seems their very selves are rejected from the off. If you know what I mean. I guess it's between them and God.
I don’t know either. I’ve struggled with it too. And I’ve seen that people will say we come to God as sinners and we cannot fix ourselves, and that all sin is inside first and sometimes proceeds to the outside, yet with a very particular outward sin they insist it must be stopped first before they are welcome to come to God. But we cannot fix ourselves, whether our sins are hidden inside or are visible for all to see. And it is certain that making the outside of our cup look clean is not the way to go, since it is what comes from inside of us that defiles us.
If I ever ran across a sincere homosexual, I would counsel going straight to God and not seeking out a church that would direct them to a focus on the outside of their cup. It’s like…being in such pain you can barely walk and going to a chiropractor to have him tell you, oh, I see what your problem is! You are walking all hunched over and and favoring your left side. Straighten up and walk right and you’ll be fine!
But it’s not impossible for God to do. So if a man trusts Him and continues to grow in that trust of Him, God can and will do it.
I agree, though it's a sad state of affairs when we have to direct someone away from the church. Says a lot about Christians - some.
Neither could have helped me. Whether out of fear or for love of God, I still could not stop murdering. But I didn’t fear. I knew He loved me. He showed me often He did. So I just trusted Him. So…my childish stage was not in fear. It just wasn’t. It was in a lot of impatience with myself and others though. First, it was more impatience with others, then, when I saw myself more clearly, it was impatience with both of us. But fear of disappointing God came later. And I guess that has to do with to whoever is given more, more is expected…because before that, I realized I would always disappoint Him unless He did something to make me different.
Actually, I’m often castigated because I WONT judge and state if it’s “the flames” for any man. I don’t judge that, God does. And if anyone is given the down payment of the Spirit, I don’t think it’s ever the flames for that man. I think it’s honor or shame.
My friend often says, saved, yes, okay. But saved to WHAT?
And then of course, you know where my thoughts are currently on the outer darkness and not coming out of prison until you pay the last farthing in that parable.
It is God himself who makes us 'good enough' we can't do it for ourselves. But many people don't even believe that God can make us good enough. But to be good enough in God's eyes 'terms and conditions' apply. Like you must be washed in the blood of Jesus and receive him as your Saviour to experience spiritual renewal. So invite him in now if you haven't already.
Lambano
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You also know my understanding that the "will do it" part may be deferred post-resurrection. While it is highly desirable that addictions, besetting sins, and such be healed in this life (and praise God, sometimes they are), we have to continue to trust (I have to continue to trust), even when we don't see evidence of healing coming. I know you disagree with me on this point, but I think you know why I have to trust this. And why I encourage others who also don't see healing coming to trust also and not become discouraged.
"My grace is sufficient for you." (2 Corinthians 12:9)
"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1)
"If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied." (1 Corinthians 15:19)
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Nobody is “ worthy”...... nobody will ever “ become” worthy.......We are MADE worthy by the Blood Of The Lamb....Righteousness or Worthiness is IMPUTED to those that Rest in the Gospel Of Grace.....that Gospel is Found In 1Cor15:1-4.....
Thank you, that's what I said in different words.
Nor can the Saved man ( ever hear about the “ Sins of Omission?” ) without Grace and plenty of it we are both helpless and hopeless .....it’s best that you find some of that Grace ....obtain it by Resting in the Gospel Of Grace—- 1Cor15:1-4
I don’t know which balls you dropped, but if you hear me talk and come away with the understanding that I have said it’s the flames for you, then at the very least, you’ve dropped the ball of “promises to hope for in trust.” We hope for what we don’t yet have. And you’ve probably also at least dropped the “to whoever more grace is given, more is expected from him” ball.
There is a difference between righteousness and holiness. If you can determine which a man, or a verse, is speaking of, it helps. But in either case, trust and growing in that trust is the way to either or both.
It is through continued, growing, and persistent trust that a man receives more grace (if you’re faithful with a little, you’re trusted with more) and it is through more grace that a man gains the power to put his enemies under his feet. But you can’t ever forget that it is trust God asks for. He will do the rest.
Unsaved man leads a sinful life and it is in his nature to sin but he doesn't know it's sin. Saved man has the nature of Jesus within him and although he is still apt to commit sinful acts or have sinful thoughts from time to time he knows they are sinful and is ashamed before God just as Adam was. That is the difference. Saved man does not lead a sinful life.
Just because you have not yet seen what you hope for does not mean you will not. If you are growing in trust, you are doing the one thing necessary. It’s what He asks for. It’s a race of trust. So race to win.
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