Faith Alone is Dead

[PinSeeker]

Well, If I wasn't humble, then I would be a sinner, no wouldn't I?

Heh heh. Good comeback. I gotta say, though, you're posts have been sorely lacking in humility...

It does seem to me that you are a redeemed sinner, Robert. But still, you sin (as do I), and thus we are sinners. But, thanks be to God, we are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. Praise God for that!

And God bless you for posting such good substance.

Well, to God be the glory, right?

Grace and peace to you.

 

[robert derrick]

Which is to say, Faith and works are separate things.

There is no Scripture anywhere, no Scripture at all, that speaks of faith separate from works, except faith only that is dead, being alone.

Faith can be no more separated from works, than love can be separated from loving.

Faith separate from works is dead, and works separated from faith is unbelief.

Believing God is obeying God, else believing is only hearing of God, and not in the heart that believes to do the righteousness of God:

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Trying to separate faith from the things that accompany salvation of God, is trying to separate faith from the things that justify with God.

There is no faith that saves separate from works that justify.

Man can think that, but God never says that.

Being justified by works is the proving ground that faith is in the heart, not only between the ears.

Faith only separate from works saves no man at all:

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

No. Not at all. Not for one second, because there is no separation between faith and works, except faith alone that saves nothing.

 

[robert derrick]

Heh heh. Good comeback. I gotta say, though, you're posts have been sorely lacking in humility...

It does seem to me that you are a redeemed sinner, Robert. But still, you sin (as do I), and thus we are sinners. But, thanks be to God, we are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. Praise God for that!


Well, to God be the glory, right?

Grace and peace to you.

I gotta say, though, you're posts have been sorely lacking in humility...

You have always been honest. Now if you can only get it right...

It does seem to me that you are a redeemed sinner, Robert. But still, you sin (as do I), and thus we are sinners.

And persistent too...

 

[robert derrick]

Which is to say, Faith and works are separate things.

Faith is no more separate from works, than is light from it's shining.

Faith only separate from works is dead and dark.

 

[Taken]

Which is to say, Faith and works are separate things.

False.

The only works 'separate' from faith are works of unbelief. Even as the only thing separate from the commandment is disobedience.

The faith one has is the faith one does: no doing, no having.

Disagree.
Faith is Gift from God, a power from God that enables one to Believe.
Works is a Labor of man.

One is Gods Acts.
One is mans acts.

Not the same thing...Not the same entity.

 

[robert derrick]

Which is to say, Faith and works are separate things.

Faith is no more separate from works, than is the Word that speaks from the Spirit that does the work:

But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Faith only is for the dead soul separate from the Spirit of Life:

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[robert derrick]

Faith is Gift from God, a power from God that enables one to Believe.

I'm seeing a distinct pattern of trying to justify faith only as separate from works, through human reasoning only, without Scripture.

No man needs any power of God to believe anything, because it takes no power to believe anything, just a willingness to think so.

No Scripture says anything about receiving power 'to believe', or power to 'have faith'.

The power that God gives is only to do the faith:

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.

The power of God, that only comes by His faith of Jesus, is to become sons of God, not just to believe they are sons of God, with no need to show it.

Faith to believe being something, that is separate from becoming something, is faith only that is being nothing at all.

Whoever said a man who only believes something has 'power'?

 

[robert derrick]

Disagree.
Faith is Gift from God, a power from God that enables one to Believe.
Works is a Labor of man.

One is Gods Acts.
One is mans acts.

Not the same thing...Not the same entity.

In all honesty, what you are missing by your doctrine of faith only separate from obeying the faith, is you separate obeying God in the heart, from obeying God from the heart in the flesh.

Faith of God and obedience of God are one and the same thing in the heart: so soon as we believe Him and His commandment to purify our hearts of lust of the world, we do so by casting down all such vain imaginations and thoughts for sin from our minds: once we are born again, and the devil is cast out from our souls, he immediately attacks our hearts and minds with lust.

Obedience from the heart is only by them that obey Him in the heart, who cleanse their hands from all filthiness of the flesh, calling upon Him with a pure heart:

Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently.

There is no faith of God at any time separate from works of God by us, because there is no pure heart for God separate from obeying Him in the heart.

Faith only does not purify the heart, but only obeying the faith according to His commandment to do so:

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Faith and works work together to perfect the saint in fear and holiness of the Lord, purifying the heart, and cleansing the hands, and they are never separate and apart from one another in sight of God.

So, you see there is no separation at all from faith of God and works of God, that we do in obedience to God, neither in time, nature, nor 'entity'.

God's justification by works is His proving ground that His faith is in our hearts, and not just between our ears.

Only the doers are justified with God, because only the doers have faith in the heart for Him to see.

Faith unseen outwardly by God is from faith unseen inwardly by God: no evidence, no substance.

If we don't have a pure heart, but still have lust in the heart, it is because we have no faith to obey God and purify our hearts.

 

[Christ4Me]

Faith alone is faith of man alone, not of God. The only faith of God is the faith of His dear Son, the faith of Jesus:

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Faith alone is of man only, not of Jesus Christ.

Even as the man Christ Jesus is the risen true God, and not man alone, so the faith of Jesus is not the faith alone of man, who is only man and not of God.

I am sure I have been clear that faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is the saving faith which is without works as God saves those who believes.

 

[Christ4Me]

Consider this, reader,

Yes faith alone is dead. (Encouragement read all of the letter of James).

How can you have an active faith if you are not praying and seeking out to have a relationship with God that requires for you according to Jesus to love God first, with all your heart, mind, and soul and to love others as yourself?

How can you have any active faith if you’re not seeking out God? (Hebrews 11:6)

In love,
Matthew Gallagher

Is that the rebuke James was giving to the church, brother Matthew?

The church was getting out of helping the poor by voicing their faith in God to provide for the poor without leading by example to the poor after church service. The church could have met their immediate needs of the poor that was about to perish from the elements & starvation from the bounty collected at church service so that the poor can see the church's faith in God to provide for the poor when the church is leading by example that God has provided enough for the church & the poor to do that.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Verse 15 is the faith James is talking about that the church shared with the departing poor but it was to get out of helping the poor.

James was never talking about the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works.

 

[Behold]

God simply sums it up as dead, being alone.
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Faith is not the savior........the Savior is GOD, who .....through your faith, gives you the new birth.

Cults teach that "faith" is the savior, not Christ.......and the way they do this is to teach that if you have no faith, then you have lost your salvation.
And how do you know they are teaching the heresy of FAITH as savior, instead of teaching the TRUTH that Christ is Savior?
Its because they will tell you this lie..
If you have lost your faith, you have lost your salvation.......and to teach that lie, is to teach that Faith, not Christ, but FAITH is the savior.

 

[Behold]

the just that live by faith,

You just wrote that the Just shall live by faith..

So, what does that mean?

It means this.....>"Faith is accepted//counted by God as your righteousness, and the born again have thus been Justified by Faith".

The "just"...the JUSTIFIED by faith...>shall "live"........that means they are "born again"..... and that is teaching that the LIFE who is CHRIST, makes them Spiritually Alive, because they gave God their Faith.

This is how the "just shall live"..... That is to say, the justified by faith, will receive Eternal life., and this Life is """"Christ in you...""

"the just shall live" = The Justified by FAITH, shall receive Eternal LIFE. = Born again.

 

[Taken]

In all honesty, what you are missing by your doctrine of faith only separate from obeying the faith, is you separate obeying God in the heart, from obeying God from the heart in the flesh.

I am not missing anything. I recognize the difference of what things are and their different purposes. Faith, works, service, gifts, blessings, etc. all different things, all expressly “separately” taught in Scripture, all for different purposes. In all honestly, you don’t define what I believe and do.

 

[Abigail]

Faith alone is dead?
Imagine 12 deluded Disciples having no Bible but the living scripture that they walked with and learned from being fed that load of fish guts. Now imagine 13 men feeling sorry for anyone who thinks faith alone is dead.

 

[robert derrick]

Faith alone is dead?
Imagine 12 deluded Disciples having no Bible but the living scripture that they walked with and learned from being fed that load of fish guts. Now imagine 13 men feeling sorry for anyone who thinks faith alone is dead.

Faith alone is dead?

Uh, yes.

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Faith alone hath no fish to eat of.

Faith alone is what man has between the ears only, without any evidence of fish at all.

Faith alone only produces empty carnal minded reasoning that shows ignorance of Scripture, having neither the Spirit of truth nor the truth of Scripture.

 

[Abigail]

Faith alone is dead?

Uh, yes.

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Faith alone hath no fish to eat of.

Faith alone is what man has between the ears only, without any evidence of fish at all.

Faith alone only produces empty carnal minded reasoning that shows ignorance of Scripture, having neither the Spirit of truth nor the truth of Scripture.

You believe that.

I don't.
Matthew 9, Mark 10, Luke 7,

John 4

 

[robert derrick]

For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light.

Obeying the commandment and doing the law is the shining thereof.

Faith alone is a dark lamp and even darker light in between the ears only:

But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Faith alone is hearing only and not the doing, and so the eye of the body is evil, having seen what to do and yet not doing it.

For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Doing the faith is evident proof of the faith of Jesus born in the heart, and not only heard with the ears and seen with the eyes of flesh alone:

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Faith alone is for hearers only, who don't want to understand from the heart, that they may obey Him at all times from the heart.

 

[Abigail]

For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light.

Obeying the commandment and doing the law is the shining thereof.

Faith alone is a dark lamp and even darker light in between the ears only:

But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Faith alone is hearing only and not the doing, and so the eye of the body is evil, having seen what to do and yet not doing it.

For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Doing the faith is evident proof of the faith of Jesus born in the heart, and not only heard with the ears and seen with the eyes of flesh alone:

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Faith alone is for hearers only, who don't want to understand from the heart, that they may obey Him at all times from the heart.

You labor to talk yourself into your belief that faith is dead. But you have no evidence in scripture to prove your points.

You don't understand. And I can't make you to see.

 

[robert derrick]

You believe that.

I don't.
Matthew 9, Mark 10, Luke 7,

John 4

And so you choose not to believe Scripture, and instead choose to believe your own dead faith alone.

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

It's your own soul in this life, and so you can choose death rather than life:

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days.

faith alone chooses to believe between the ears, and not do from the heart.

For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

 

[robert derrick]

You labor to talk yourself into your belief that faith is dead. But you have no evidence in scripture to prove your points.

You don't understand. And I can't make you to see.

your belief that faith is dead.

Faith alone without works is dead, not the faith of Jesus, which is the only faith that saves the soul, and is the only gift of God's faith we are saved by.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

No.

Faith only without works produces neither fish nor salvation, but is dead, being alone with neither fish nor salvation.