When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

[dad]

Jesus said they knew how it was prepared. You claim Paradise is not the same place. Then how did the disciples already know everything about Paradise?

They hardly knew how to tie their sandals. Who says they knew all about paradise? They did know Jesus and He told them a lot. But nowhere did He say that he transported a huge swath of dirt and plants into heaven. So if you claim He did offer you speculation as pure opinion, backed by nothing.

 

[dad]

GardenX, Northrop Garden, Eden Origin

 

[dad]

It was prepared for Adam's family.

The bible said multiply and so all people alive would be his family. Then God drove them out of the garden. I don't think He used the Munstermobile to do it either.

Now it is only for those redeemed of Adam's family called the church.

Let's get this straight then. You say the magically transported garden was taken to heaven where it is now, and only for the church. So no Old testament saved Jews allowed?

 

[ScottA]

So if we say we can see Jesus now on earth, in your mind that is being 'in the spirit'.

Here...this is the answer from John:

Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 1 John 3:2
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But because you are not getting it..."now" means then, then when John wrote it.

 

[ScottA]

When the bible talks of evil servant sinning because they feel He won't be coming for a long time, that has zero to do with us awaiting our redemption, and His return. Even so come, Lord Jesus. He ain't here yet and He is not ruling the kingdoms of this world now with us. He has not destroyed the wicked yet. We are not Raptured yet...etc. You seem to be displaying the mother of all conflations.

Well, that makes you unbiblically wrong-- Because He is here.

But speak for yourself. He is reigning, and we reign with Him.

Just as His suffering on the cross was victory, we now (not later) suffer in that same victory--because He reigns, because He overcame the world and was given all power an authority then--not in the future.

But for lack of faith, and apparently lack of comprehension...you do not even acknowledge any of this even though it is written, and has been true for thousands of years.

 

[ScottA]

Cain was sent out as well. Not sure what your point is. If Cain was sent out, it was not before Adam and Eve, but after Adam and Eve.

My point is, you seemed to make an issue of the garden "ascending"...but that is not what the scriptures say. Nonetheless, there is much to be learned from the language.

For that reason I explained: Why east? Why was Adam sent out of the garden eastward? Now you know.

 

[dad]

Here...this is the answer from John:

Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 1 John 3:2
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But because you are not getting it..."now" means then, then when John wrote it.

WHEN He is revealed. Not now.

 

[dad]

My point is, you seemed to make an issue of the garden "ascending"...but that is not what the scriptures say. Nonetheless, there is much to be learned from the language.

What the bible does not say is that a magic muntermobile teleported a big chunk of dirt to heaven. Really.

For that reason I explained: Why east? Why was Adam sent out of the garden eastward? Now you know.

"Strong's
From H6923; the front, of palce (absolutely the fore part, relatively the East) or time (antiquity); often used adverbially (before, anciently, eastward): - aforetime, ancient (time), before, east (end, part, side, -ward), eternal, X ever (-lasting), forward, old, past. Compare H6926."

Interlinear Search for 'Genesis 3:24' - NAS with the BHS and NA26 - StudyLight.org

The meaning of east is front basically. It could be also the eastern direction perhaps, but that does not give you permission to state as any matter of fact that Adam was sent out in any direction. Even if he was that does not mean a magic big scoop came and dug out the land of Eden and then transported it up up up and away above the earth.

 

[Oseas]

The Word is GOD. What prevails is the Word of GOD. What does the Word of GOD say? Luke 21:v.25-26

25 And there shall be signs in the sun (the woman is clothed with the light of Sun - the Greater Light - you should know Him),

and in the moon (the moon -the Lesser Light - and is under the feet of the woman as her support, or giving support to the woman),

and signs in the stars - (they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever);

and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea (sea means peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues)

and the waves roaring; (the wawes of the sea can be understood as generations)

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. (yeah, the POWERS of the heavens will be shaken: IT MEANS: The Dispensations of the OLD and of the NEW TESTAMENTS will be DISSOLVED / DISMANTLED, and the THIRD HEAVEN will be established by the RIGHTEOUS JUGMENTS of GOD. The chastisements of the wicked NATIONS of whole Earth , without exceptions, have already started).

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same Word -Word of GOD- are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against this Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:v.7

Well, JESUS will make a New World Order, yeah, will establish His New World Order according the Gospel of GOD's Kingdom, so His people MUST wake up quickly, yeah, wake up quickly.

Although JESUS be invisible right now, this won't prevent / hinder / impede JESUS to implant/establish His own New World Order, I mean, His own glorious and magnificent Kingdom, as is determined from the foundation of the world.

By the Power of His Word-Revelation 1:v.1 and 7-8,He will carry out what has been determined to be made in this current time as follows:
Revelation 11:v.15 to 18 :

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were(will be) angry, and GOD's wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

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Regards the human and satanic New World Order imagined by evil men, even the theory of a globalization in this current time, men's conceptions in this sense were/are a mere human imagination. In fact nothing will happen as men want, or intend, or according the own conceptions of them.
This new millennium does not belong to common men, this millennium belongs exclusively to JESUS and His people. JESUS is in control of all things, nothing random will happen, understand? Yeah, nothing random will happen.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:v.5

 

[Timtofly]

Let's get this straight then. You say the magically transported garden was taken to heaven where it is now, and only for the church. So no Old testament saved Jews allowed?

You exclude the OT from the redeemed church?

I don't. They are the ones who have enjoyed Paradise for the last 1992 years. They know how the Word created all things.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

 

[Timtofly]

My point is, you seemed to make an issue of the garden "ascending"...but that is not what the scriptures say. Nonetheless, there is much to be learned from the language.

For that reason I explained: Why east? Why was Adam sent out of the garden eastward? Now you know.

No, other posters had an issue not accepting Paradise as the original Garden. I asked if God only took the tree of life and destroyed the rest. If God cannot move a Garden into the firmament, why accept He can move the New Jerusalem down from the firmament. What makes one acceptable and the other not acceptable? Did God put every second of history into the Bible?

Some symbolize the New Jerusalem as not being literal either. I guess they think sin will just continue forever on earth without ending ever. If it already happened, nothing else is going to happen.

 

[dad]

You exclude the OT from the redeemed church?

I don't. They are the ones who have enjoyed Paradise for the last 1992 years. They know how the Word created all things.

OK, so by the church you also mean all believers of all ages. Not just 1992 years.

 

[Timtofly]

OK, so by the church you also mean all believers of all ages. Not just 1992 years.

Yes, the Atonement covered all of Adam's family from all time. All who should have lived in Paradise but could not get back in until the Cross. Noah was a direct descendant of Adam, as were his 3 sons. They were the fathers of all current nations on earth. But only the church consists of those who accept that Atonement by faith.

 

[ScottA]

WHEN He is revealed. Not now.

Speak for yourself.

Obviously, you are.

 

[ScottA]

No, other posters had an issue not accepting Paradise as the original Garden. I asked if God only took the tree of life and destroyed the rest. If God cannot move a Garden into the firmament, why accept He can move the New Jerusalem down from the firmament. What makes one acceptable and the other not acceptable? Did God put every second of history into the Bible?

Some symbolize the New Jerusalem as not being literal either. I guess they think sin will just continue forever on earth without ending ever. If it already happened, nothing else is going to happen.

That is the problem of taking the parable imagines in which even we were created, which God uses to reveal all things in bringing darkness to light before the judgement, as if they were literal according to the elementary thinking of men who in His eyes are children. But that is exactly what parents do, and just as He said, "It was good."

So, yes, every word is based in His truth--but it is all manifest images of what is real, rather than that which is actually real...which has yet to be revealed. Which is not to say it is not true, or even real to those who are only manifest images also--of course it would appear as such, because we don't know anything different until more is revealed, until the curtain is drawn back. Meanwhile, we are like animated characters cast in the same ink as the greater image and story and revelation of Jesus Christ. This is what Paul referred to as seeing "dimly" or "darkly" or only "in part." Which is to say--this is not from me, but from God.

As such, we are suppose to mature in our thinking, to the renewing of our mind toward heavenly things, rather than these elementary word pictures spoken to children in this world created for the purpose of make believe. He who has an ear, let him hear.

Certainly, if we argue about the backdrop and imagery--we argue like children.

 

[dad]

Yes, the Atonement covered all of Adam's family from all time. All who should have lived in Paradise but could not get back in until the Cross. Noah was a direct descendant of Adam, as were his 3 sons. They were the fathers of all current nations on earth. But only the church consists of those who accept that Atonement by faith.

OK. Others think the church is the people that believe in Jesus since Israel rejected Him.

 

[dad]

Speak for yourself.

Obviously, you are.

Actually that was quoted from the verse you gave, 'when'. That is God speaking.

 

[ScottA]

Actually that was quoted from the verse you gave, 'when'. That is God speaking.

No, but you are misquoting again. On the contrary, John said "now", referring to that time--2000 years ago.

Stop adding and taking away from the truth, for which men are accursed.

 

[Davy]

Jesus had a flesh and bone and spirit body. We will too.

Nope, that's the old Jewish leaven doctrine of thinking that our spirit with soul is made up of flesh matter like our flesh body. Apostle Paul showed what the resurrection body is, A "SPIRITUAL BODY" (1 Corinthians 15).

All you reveal here is your link to beliefs from Judaism's fleshy doctrines! You show you have NEVER even read much of The New Testament, and especially not 1 Corinthians 15 by Apostle Paul!

So just keeping mouthing, because that I guess is about all you're good at, trying to defame others instead of sticking with actual Scripture evidence.

 

[Davy]

Both are physical bodies. The spirit part is the robe of white. The spirit of man goes on the outside of the physical body. It is light. That is what Jesus showed on the mount of Transfiguration. Our spirit has been in the presence of God since conception. You are using the old Jewish carnal thought process of a material spirit inside the material body..

I give up. You like denying The Scriptures so much, you'll just make up anything!

The spirit part is what the white robes are? No, per God's Word, you white robes are made up of your WORKS.

Your 'spirit' is about your "spiritual body", the "image of the heavenly", both taught by Apostle Paul! The "this mortal" part that must put on "immortality" is about the soul.