Can you be saved if you don't believe in the trinity or the diety of Christ?
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John 8.24: "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."Can you be saved if you don't believe in the trinity or the diety of Christ?
No. If Jesus is not God, He cannot be your Lord and Savior either. Only God as Man could die for the sins of the whole world, and rise again on the third day.Can you be saved if you don't believe in the trinity or the deity of Christ?
The King James translators did everyone a great disservice in not translating this properly. The way it should read (based on the Greek text) is: "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins."John 8.24: "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."
Good question, one I've asked before so as to ascertain the importance of the doctrine of the trinity and angered a few for even asking
I work with someone who is a JW. I want to talk to her about it but she shot me down. She thinks the trinity is false. How do I approach her? Should I try to engage her? I'd like to read her Hebrews 1 anyway.
The King James translators did everyone a great disservice in not translating this properly. The way it should read (based on the Greek text) is: "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins."
This harks back to Exodus 3:13-15 where Jesus said that His name was "I AM THAT I AM" or "I AM" and this was his name for all generations. In that context He is called "God", "the LORD", and "the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob". Yet He appeared to Moses as "the Angel of the LORD" and demanded that Moses remove his shoes from his feet because he was standing on holy ground. The Angel of the LORD was the pre-incarnate Christ.
Well what does scripture say about how to be saved? Does it mention explicitly that there exists a trinity doctrine and then required for salvation? Does it mention explicitly the deity of Christ and then required for salvation? Answer these honestly under some study and in the guidance of the Spirit and you have your answer. Now the reverse could also be true! i.e. those believing in a trinity or in the deity of Christ might not be saved at all. You never know until you really know..Can you be saved if you don't believe in the trinity or the diety of Christ?
Nobody is saved by arguing theology, so that's not the approach to take. And JW such arguments rehearsed at them every meeting. You'll get no where that way.I work with someone who is a JW. I want to talk to her about it but she shot me down. She thinks the trinity is false. How do I approach her? Should I try to engage her? I'd like to read her Hebrews 1 anyway.
Well what does scripture say about how to be saved? Does it mention explicitly that there exists a trinity doctrine and then required for salvation? Does it mention explicitly the deity of Christ and then required for salvation? Answer these honestly under some study and in the guidance of the Spirit and you have your answer. Now the reverse could also be true! i.e. those believing in a trinity or in the deity of Christ might not be saved at all. You never know until you really know..
Well what does scripture say about how to be saved? Does it mention explicitly that there exists a trinity doctrine and then required for salvation? Does it mention explicitly the deity of Christ and then required for salvation? Answer these honestly under some study and in the guidance of the Spirit and you have your answer. Now the reverse could also be true! i.e. those believing in a trinity or in the deity of Christ might not be saved at all. You never know until you really know..
Nobody is saved by arguing theology, so that's not the approach to take. And JW such arguments rehearsed at them every meeting. You'll get no where that way.
A far better approach: show, don't tell. Show her how you love God, and how His light shines through you. How you live in love & freedom, not afraid of death or destruction or anything. And she'll see that and it'll make an impact. Let your door be open, with a friendly face she knows she can trust & is filled God's genuine love. And then she'll come when she's ready.
And in the mean time, never write somebody off an "unsaved goner". God's power is amazing, trust & hope in Him.
The short answer is, No!Can you be saved if you don't believe in the trinity or the diety of Christ?
“Nobody is saved arguing theology” that’s a good one!
Lol!
have a good weekend everybody!
P.s (pray soon) arguing is fun!
The national pastime!
As a JW, feel free to ask me anything you like. I’m sure that she was willing to discuss, but not to agree that Jesus is God because it simply does not even mention a trinity in the Bible.I work with someone who is a JW. I want to talk to her about it but she shot me down. She thinks the trinity is false. How do I approach her? Should I try to engage her? I'd like to read her Hebrews 1 anyway.
There's a real problem with that, though. Scripture contradicts it.Jesus taught that all should be baptized by Gods authority.
That God Jesus refers to is the God-head.
The next verse, Jesus commands them to observe ALL THINGS whatsoever He has commanded.
Therefore, since Jesus taught the God-head to be proclaimed to all those who hear the gospel of Christ.
It must be inferred that God requires folks who are to be taught the gospel know who God is!
Who is God?
He is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
For those who need to be saved, they need to know according to Jesus who God is.
Just as we would not allow someone to believe God is the Muslim god Allah.
We must also not allow folks who desire to be saved believe God is Jesus(oneness doctrine)
Or Jesus is not God but the Father is. The lost must know who God is.