Zechariah 14 . . . Fulfilled? or Future?

[Marty fox]

How did they get back to earth to be attacked by Satan and his army? Or did those on earth attack heaven then?



It does not say the earth is destroyed. It says laid bare. All the works of mankind gone, not earth.

No they stayed in heaven

It says that the elements are dissolved

 

[ewq1938]

Wrong. Man will exist on the Earth forever. Also you are wrong on when the New Heaven and new Earth happens. It happens after the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) is over, not before it at the second coming, Revelation 21.

Jesus Christ Will Bring The End Of This Physical Earth By Fire, A Future Event That's Unfulfilled, You Run From The Presented Scripture Below

The Day Of The Lord) is the last day of man's existence, as this earth will be "Literally" dissolved by fire (The End)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

 

[Truth7t7]

Wrong. Man will exist on the Earth forever. Also you are wrong on when the New Heaven and new Earth happens. It happens after the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) is over, not before it at the second coming, Revelation 21.

Do you deny Jesus Christ Will Be "Revealed" In His "Presence "It Will Be In "Fire"?

Read the words in "Bold Red" real slow this time "Revealed" "Presence"

Many believe Jesus is revealed to start a Millennial kingdom on earth,scripture teaches he comes to destroy the wicked and the earth by fire

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus Christ Will Bring The End Of This Physical Earth By Fire, A Future Event That's Unfulfilled, You Run From The Presented Scripture Below

(The Day Of The Lord) is the last day of man's existence, as this earth will be "Literally" dissolved by fire (The End)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

PS, This post was due to some misunderstanding, which I have since addressed in post 127, here: Zechariah 14 . . . Fulfilled? or Future?

No...you just don't understand...and you "added" the above statement which is not biblical.

 

[Truth7t7]

No...you just don't understand...and you "added" the above statement which is not biblical.

(The Day Of The Lord) is the last day of man and earths existence as seen below, they will be destroyed by the Lords fire (The End)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[ewq1938]

Do you deny Jesus Christ Will Be "Revealed" In His "Presence "It Will Be In "Fire"?

He arrives in a flash if lightning. He does not shoot lightning at anyone. He has a symbolic sword that kills people.

Many believe Jesus is revealed to start a Millennial kingdom on earth,scripture teaches he comes to destroy the wicked and the earth by fire

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

I thought it was water like Noah's day? Actually neither water nor fire is used at the second coming.

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

That isn't the second coming. At best this could be about the last day when the unsaved are cast into fire and the New Heaven and new Earth happens.

 

[Timtofly]

No they stayed in heaven

It says that the elements are dissolved

Not in Revelation 20.

The heavens dissolve in Revelation 6.

When did the 144k even go to heaven? They were sealed on earth. You have them staying in heaven, but never claimed they left earth.

 

[Brakelite]

So. I have a certain view on these events, and on Zechariah 14 and would love to share them, but no-one is listening. So there's no way I'm getting into this discussion. Too much agro.

 

[Truth7t7]

He arrives in a flash if lightning. He does not shoot lightning at anyone. He has a symbolic sword that kills people.








I thought it was water like Noah's day? Actually neither water nor fire is used at the second coming.



That isn't the second coming. At best this could be about the last day when the unsaved are cast into fire and the New Heaven and new Earth happens.

Perhaps the Lord didnt "Literally" destroy Sodom and Gomorrah by fire and brimstone either, smiles!

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[ewq1938]

Not in Revelation 20.

The heavens dissolve in Revelation 6.

No, that happens at the time of the New Heaven and new Earth in Revelation 21.

 

[ewq1938]

Perhaps the Lord didnt "Literally" destroy Sodom and Gomorrah by fire and brimstone either, smiles!

And that was destruction of a couple cities not a global slaughter so that supports my view that the slaying at Armageddon is local to there. No global slaughter and no fire is even used at Armageddon. You literally have everything wrong. But that is Amillennialism at it's core, 100 percent wrong on everything.

The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

Anyone can go there and see the errors made as I post them.

 

[Truth7t7]

And that was destruction of a couple cities not a global slaughter so that supports my view that the slaying at Armageddon is local to there. No global slaughter and no fire is even used at Armageddon. You literally have everything wrong. But that is Amillennialism at it's core, 100 percent wrong on everything.

The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

Anyone can go there and see the errors made as I post them.

Let's read it slow and carefully?

1.) Fire And Brimstone
2.) Destroyed Them All
3.) When The Son Of Man Is Revealed

1+2+3 = Fire Destruction When Jesus Returns, Its Very Simple And Easy To Understand, Read It Real Slow Again

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[ewq1938]

Let's read slow and carefully?

1.) Fire And Brimstone
2.) Destroyed Them All
3.) When The Son Of Man Is Revealed

1+2+3 = Fire Destruction When Jesus Returns

Nope, this is not correct. It completely contradicts scripture. This is poor exegesis.

1.) No Fire And Brimstone at second coming
2.) Does not Destroy All Humans
3.) The Son of Man uses a symbolic sword and only kills an army at Armageddon, a place 66 miles from Jerusalem.

 

[friend of]

It's Future

 

[Timtofly]

No, that happens at the time of the New Heaven and new Earth in Revelation 21.

The wicked works are cleansed by fire, and the heavens dissolve at the Second Coming. The 1,000 year reign is a newly cleansed heaven and earth. After the 1,000 years current reality just fades away, replaced by a new reality. There is no destruction at the end of the 1,000 year reign.

The heavens dissolve at the Second Coming, because the stars literally come to earth.

 

[ewq1938]

The wicked works are cleansed by fire, and the heavens dissolve at the Second Coming. The 1,000 year reign is a newly cleansed heaven and earth.

The New Heaven and new Earth happens after the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) not the second coming according to Revelation 20-21. The thousand years happens on this same old Earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

The New Heaven and new Earth happens after the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) not the second coming according to Revelation 20-21. The thousand years happens on this same old Earth.

The Final Judgement Takes Place When Jesus Christ Appears, This Is The GWT Judgement, At The Second Coming, "Simple"

Appears You Can't Deal With The Fact, There Isn't A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Found In Scripture, Its A Fabricated Fairy Tale Of Man

"Who Shall Judge The Quick And The Dead At His Appearing"

2 Timothy 4:1KJV
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

 

[ewq1938]

The Final Judgement Takes Place When Jesus Christ Appears, This Is The GWT Judgement, At The Second Coming, "Simple"

Appears You Can't Deal With The Fact, There Isn't A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Found In Scripture, Its A Fabricated Fairy Tale Of Man

"Who Shall Judge The Quick And The Dead At His Appearing"

2 Timothy 4:1KJV
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

That verse is speaking of the first day of judgment, when the dead and living saved are judged. The unsaved are resurrected and judged a thousand years later according to scripture: "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

 

[Truth7t7]

That verse is speaking of the first day of judgment, when the dead and living saved are judged. The unsaved are resurrected and judged a thousand years later according to scripture: "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life
2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection And Final Judgement Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[ewq1938]

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

Revelation 20 says there is a thousand years inbetween. It literally says, "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished"

That disproves your position.

the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished