No resurrection is conditional. Living in obedience to God is conditional. Even from the old time covenant of the Law.
How do you call living long lives conditional if all are dead?
I didn't say a resurrection was conditional, I said the Old Time Judaic Prophecies were conditional.
"IF they are ashamed of all they have done, make known to them the design of the temple—its arrangement, its exits and entrances—its whole design and all its regulations and laws.
What IF they're not ashamed of all they have done? Will it still be made known to them the design of the temple?
"Now let them put away their prostitution, and the dead bodies of their kings, far from me; and I will dwell in their midst forever. .
What if they don't want to put away their prostitution, and the bodies of their dead kings? Will God still dwell in their midst forever?
Can you not see the conditional nature of these Judaic prophecies?
IF the Old Time Jews would have redeemed the 70 weeks, Ezekiel's temple would have been built already. But they missed the time of their Visitation.
To Seal Both Vision and Prophet.
God had three prophets in operation at the same time. Daniel, Ezekiel and Jeremiah. Three prophets prophesying, but He was giving them two different end time narratives, Everything would hinge on Israel's behaviour during the 70 weeks, and especially the first half of the 70th week.. 70 weeks were determined, 70 weeks were "chawthak" or "cut off". It really was Old Israel's one last and final chance:
- to finish the transgression,
- to put an end to sin,
- and to atone for iniquity,
- to bring in everlasting righteousness,
- to seal both vision and prophet,
- and to anoint a most holy place.
And it was in their midst. All that they would have had to do was to accept their Messiah, and Jesus would have done the heavy lifting. It's why Jesus and John the Baptist were saying that the Kingdom of God was at hand. Because it really was at hand right then and there. If the Old Time Jews would have cooperated and accepted their Messiah it would have been a completely different world right now. Daniel would have remained forever sealed, Revelation would have never been written. We would have built Ezekiel's Temple sometime in the middle ages.
The original plan was for the Jews to accept their Messiah, then Jesus would have began the Kingdom of God on Earth right away because it really was "at hand" at that time. John the Baptist would not have died the way that he did, "lest I come and strike the land with a decree of utter destruction". Jesus would have sent disciples out from Jerusalem to invite anyone who wanted to be saved to come and live there in the Kingdom of God in the 1st century. The good news of the Kingdom of God would have travelled far and fast. Jerusalem would have eventually grown to such a huge population that it's walls could no longer contain it.
Then, after some time, Satan in the guise of Gog Magog, would have attempted to attack the unwalled Holy City, but Jesus would have destroyed him and his army where they stood and we would spend the next seven years burying them and burning their wooden weapons. And the wolf would lay down with the lamb while we watched an infant stick his hand into a viper's den while we built Ezekiel's Temple. And your Isaiah deal would happen where we would live 900 years like Enoch and Noah.
But now instead, Paul gets knocked off his horse, the NT and Revelation gets written, Daniel gets unsealed for the final generation, we get an end time Babylon, an end time Antichrist, mark of the beast, two witnesses of 144,000, Jesus makes His second Visitation and we have a brand New Jerusalem with an end time variation on Gog Magog.
Does this describe how the crucifixion occurred?:
Him Whom They Have Pierced
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn. On that day the mourning in Jerusalem will be as great as the mourning for Hadad-rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. The land shall mourn, each family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself, and their wives by themselves; and all the families that are left, each by itself, and their wives by themselves.
Or is this describing the original method of how Jesus would have been sacrificed as the Lamb if humanity had not turned Him over to the enemy? I don't remember too many of those tribes weeping very hard. Just mostly His family and close friends.
"Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks.
[there will be seven 'sevens,'] and [sixty-two 'sevens.']
This was written 2600 years ago and at that time there may not have been a second coming required. The Jews might have redeemed the 70 weeks in the first century. Jesus would have come one time only and never ascended back to heaven, making a second coming unnecessary. Daniel 9 had to be written in such a way to include both the primary visitation of Jesus AND the possibility, or probability, of a secondary visitation in a compact and simultaneous fashion.
Even God knew they could never keep the Law, but it would drag them down and be compared to Hagar the pagan servant of Abraham's own transgression and lack of faith.
God knew the end from the beginning, but He still had to give them the sincere chance to let Jesus gather them as a hen would gather it's chicks.
Saying the earth needs a break is just pagan mother earth worship ideology. All of creation will enjoy the 1,000 year reign, not just in Paradise.
That's not pagan. There's Biblical precedent. Did you not recognize the vernacular? The Old Time Jews, when they violated the land Sabbath, were told that the land would enjoy it's rest all the time that they were in exile.
"He carried into exile to Babylon the remnant, who escaped from the sword, and they became servants to him and his successors until the kingdom of Persia came to power. The land enjoyed its sabbath rests; all the time of its desolation it rested, until the seventy years were completed in fulfillment of the word of the Lord spoken by Jeremiah. - 2 Chronicles 36:20-21
This time it's on a global scale that the land, the Earth, like in the Days of Noah, will vomit out it's inhabitants. And the Earth will enjoy it's rest all the time that humans are gone.
Because there is a physical resurrection on earth, those resurrected will no longer be in Adam's flesh and blood bodies. They will have permanent incorruptible physical bodies. After the 1,000 years, they will simply keep living on the new earth as if nothing changed.
Still sounds sketchy to me. Some will shine like the stars of heaven forever and ever, some as you say:"will simply keep living on the new earth as if nothing changed.
After the 1,000 years this reality will no longer be necessary. But it will not need to be burned up nor destroyed, it will just cease to exist. God does not need time to do anything. Time is just reality that has forward movement. Those alive on earth will not need to be changed, the new reality will just change around them.
God doesn't need the time. WE need the time.
Or do you not remember that the saints will judge the world?
Do you not know that we will even judge the angels?
The Pauline phase of the judgment process is going to take some careful time.
Maybe we can finish a little early and I can come and find you guys from this thread and try to figure out what you're all talking about?
Peaceful Sabbath.
