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David in NJ

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I'm really sorry, but I just don't see where you got the appellations "Elohim Son" or "Elohim Holy Spirit" in Genesis.


You mention 2 alternatives here. There is actually a third alternative, namely that Jesus is the Son of God, which is exactly what he is called about 35 times or so. What's wrong with that one?

You do realize that the word "essence" is not in the scriptures? Given that, where do you get that idea?

What does Scripture say of (the essence) Messiah:
A.) Isaiah 7:14 & Matthew 1:22-23 IMMANUEL = God with us
B.) John 1:1 & 1:14 the Word was God = The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us
C.) Phillipians 2:5-8 (YAHshuah = God humbled Himself)
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God,
did not consider it robbery to be equal with God
, but made Himself of no reputation,
taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself (YAHshuah) and became obedient to the point of death,
even the death of the cross.
 

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I'm really sorry, but I just don't see where you got the appellations "Elohim Son" or "Elohim Holy Spirit" in Genesis.


You mention 2 alternatives here. There is actually a third alternative, namely that Jesus is the Son of God, which is exactly what he is called about 35 times or so. What's wrong with that one?

You do realize that the word "essence" is not in the scriptures? Given that, where do you get that idea?

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature,
upholding all things by His powerful word.
After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. So He became as far superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is excellent beyond theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say:
“You are My Son;
today I have become Your Father”?
Or again:
“I will be His Father,
and He will be My Son”? And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all God’s angels worship Him.”Now about the angels He says:
“He makes His angels winds,
His servants flames of fire.”

But about the Son He says:“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever,
and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousnessand hated wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
 
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What does Scripture say of (the essence) Messiah:
A.) Isaiah 7:14 & Matthew 1:22-23 IMMANUEL = God with us
B.) John 1:1 & 1:14 the Word was God = The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us
C.) Phillipians 2:5-8 (YAHshuah = God humbled Himself)
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God,
did not consider it robbery to be equal with God
, but made Himself of no reputation,
taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself (YAHshuah) and became obedient to the point of death,
even the death of the cross.
I've shown many names in the OT that have "el" as a part of their name. Not a single one of them are actually God. I don't know what I can say to convince you that a name is nothing more than a name. It may be descriptive of one's character, but that' all.

I'm not going to sit on a guy named John when first get up in the morning! :)
 

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I've shown many names in the OT that have "el" as a part of their name. Not a single one of them are actually God. I don't know what I can say to convince you that a name is nothing more than a name. It may be descriptive of one's character, but that' all.

I'm not going to sit on a guy named John when first get up in the morning! :)

If a name is nothing more then a name the you are still dead in sins and tresspasses.

humble yourself before the Right Hand of God that HE may wash away your sins.

Turn to Me and be saved,
all the ends of the earth;
for I am God,
and there is no other. By Myself I have sworn;
truth has gone out from My mouth,
a word that will not be revoked:
Every knee will bow before Me,
every tongue will swear allegiance. - Isaiah 45:22-23

Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the Name which is above every name,
that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow,
of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father.
Phillipians 2:10-11
 

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You mean the Jews who yelled "blasphemer" and then smote HIM and then handed HIM over to the Romans to be crucified and cried out for Barabas, a murderer, to be released instead of the ONE who healed the sick, did miracles and raised the dead = this JESUS they yelled 'crucify him crucify him" and "his blood be upon us and our children"

You mean the Jewish people who stoned the Prophets of God...........and to this day(save for a remnant) still revile the Name of Yeshua HaMoshiach.

If they cannot even SEE their Messiah how in the world did you ever expect them to believe in Elohim Father Elohim Son Elohim Holy Spirit???


If you read the bible, its fact they served the true God. Yes they fell over and over, they were apostocised when Jesus showed up otherwise the romans wouldnt have had them under their thumbs. When God was with the Israelites they won the wars they fought. He wasnt with them that is why the Romans were ruling over them. Jesus tried to help them, they rejected him. They still had the true God in their religion. They just werent doing what he willed. They were Gods chosen until Jesus told them off and then cut them off in Matt 23.
 

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And yet Paul tells us, in Hebrews 1:6 (WEB):

(6) When he again brings in the firstborn into the world he says, “Let all the angels of God worship him.”​
When this word is applied to God, it is “worship”....but when applied to those who are not God, (those who act as his representatives) it is “obeisance”. It literally means to fall with one’s face to the ground.
In ancient times it was a mark of humble respect. I never once saw that this was commanded for the Israelites. Their worship was not conducted that way. We see Muslims today who worship like that.

Is God’s son worthy of this act of respect? He most certainly is.....he did not reject it even in the flesh. (Matthew 28:9) In Matthew 18:26 this word is used in one of Jesus’ illustrations....nothing to do with worship.

Right from his infancy, we see humans who recognised Jesus’ future role as King of God’s Kingdom, rendered “obeisance” to him. (Matthew 2:11) The pagan astrologers who came with gifts from a distant land were not worshipping a god, but giving honour to a new King.
 

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The Jews, to this day, wanted to stone Yahshua/Jesus because, in fact HE declared Himself to be YHWH/the LORD, in the flesh, standing right in front of them = IAM = John ch8

the Apostle Paul writes: that if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

This is where the heart either yields to God or rejects HIM and goes down a counterfeit path = false christ = jehovah witness

Yahshuah/Jesus is LORD/YHWH and HE came and died for our sins and HE rose from the dead and lives forever more.

Look at the TRUTH: Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation ch1
Thus says the LORD/YHWH,
the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts
:
“I am the first and I am the last,
and there is no God but Me.


Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the LORD

, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
"I am the First and the Last."
I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen.
And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

The Holy Spirit declares the TRUTH:
YHWH is King and YAHSHUAH is King = Isaiah 44:6 Revelation 19:15-17

YHWH is the 'First and Last' and YAHSHUAH is the 'First and Last' = Isaiah ch44 and Revelation ch1 & ch22
YHWH is the Redemmer and YAHSHUAH is the Redeemer = Isaiah 44:6 and Galatians 3:13-14 and Revelation 14:4



I already explained to you-i am that i am is mistranslated in the OT-I Will be what i will be is correct. The Israelite religious leaders never said a truth about Jesus. They hated him and rejected him. You are believing errors.
 

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If you read the bible, its fact they served the true God. Yes they fell over and over, they were apostocised when Jesus showed up otherwise the romans wouldnt have had them under their thumbs. When God was with the Israelites they won the wars they fought. He wasnt with them that is why the Romans were ruling over them. Jesus tried to help them, they rejected him. They still had the true God in their religion. They just werent doing what he willed. They were Gods chosen until Jesus told them off and then cut them off in Matt 23.

Well, just about everything you said is true except for: "They still had the true God in their religion."

They crucified the One True Elohim Son, therefore whatever they believed(to this day) to be god is not the TRUE LIVING ELOHIM.

LORD YAHshuah(Jesus) says: "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

Do not follow in their sin of unbelief Keiw, there is no Eternal Life apart from the only Name that can save you = LORD Jesus Christ
 

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I already explained to you-i am that i am is mistranslated in the OT-I Will be what i will be is correct. The Israelite religious leaders never said a truth about Jesus. They hated him and rejected him. You are believing errors.

the LORD Jesus Christ spoke in error?
if you believe this you cannot be saved

LORD YAHshuah(Jesus) says: "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
 

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How do you know anything about my fruit? Are you just basing it on my saying one little thing, especially when that one little thing was pretty much what someone said to me first? And to think, based on the flimsiest of evidence, you suggest I don't even try to be loving. I wonder what's really sad here.
My apologies for not being clear. I was referring to those who call others (including you) wicked and fools. I replied to you because I am not going to respond to either of them again. That left a wrong impression. Actually I have been very impressed by your restraint and kindness.
 
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This post is for you too @Aunty Jane since you liked jaybird's post.

You have more than one God because you say that John 1:1 contains "the Word was a god". "You shall have no other gods before Me" (Exodus 20:3).
nope, this is more confusion, all angels and heavenly beings are gods, saying Jesus is a god would be the same as saying He is a son of the Most High. believing another god exist is not having another god, worshiping another god, as a god, is having another god. Jesus teaches we are to worship the Father, Jesus is the mediator between us and the Father. you cant have a mediator for yourself, like trins believe, the Most High mediates to the Most High, which makes no sense at all.



You most certainly deny Apostolic teaching about Jesus because the Apostle Thomas says "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).

Thomas, being a Jew, knew the Commandment "You shall have no other gods before Me" (Exodus 20:3), so when Thomas called Jesus "my God" then Thomas meant that Jesus is YHWH God because Thomas has no gods before YHWH God, that is, Jesus is YHWH God according to the words of the Apostle Thomas.

Thomas is not going to call Jesus God resulting in two gods.

Thomas didnt proclaim Jesus to be the Most High, your trinity doctrine is blinding you again, lost count of how many times this has been explained. but lets say that Thomas is making this proclamation, in front of the other Apostles, why did they not confirm this, yet later on in the same book we see:

but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Jesus is the Christ, Son of the Most High, this is what they believed Jesus to be. but what your saying is they, the ones trained by the living Jesus, just didnt know and rather we should believe you.
 
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Lord Jesus says "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and foremost commandment" (Matthew 22:37-38).

I find it utterly putrid and EVIL when people DECEIVE and/or LIE about the Word of God (John 1:1, John 1:14), such as @jaybird's post in the chain of posts to which you have now replied.

The next post clearly illuminates jaybird's lie.

ironic that in Mat 22 Jesus and the scribe are talking about this very thing, the scibe, a Jew, says the Most High is one, Jesus agrees with that.
when a Jew says the Most High is one, they mean a non trinity one. Jews have never had a trinity.

Immanuel (Matthew 1:23 "God with us"), Jesus, is truly Almighty God, YHWH, with us (Revelation 1:8).

the edited Rev passage, no one in their sound mind would present that for an argument. post like this make you look like you were planted by anti trins to make real trins look foolish
 
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ironic that in Mat 22 Jesus and the scribe are talking about this very thing, the scibe, a Jew, says the Most High is one, Jesus agrees with that.
when a Jew says the Most High is one, they mean a non trinity one. Jews have never had a trinity.



the edited Rev passage, no one in their sound mind would present that for an argument. post like this make you look like you were planted by anti trins to make real trins look foolish


In Matthew ch22 is the Triune Elohim and Jesus clearly expresses it.

Jesus never agreed with God being a singular 'one' and it went right over the heads of the Jews, and yourself, on what Jesus said to them of who HE is.

But know this, if you do not believe who HE says HE IS, you will die in your sins.

If you read the bible, its fact they served the true God. Yes they fell over and over, they were apostocised when Jesus showed up otherwise the romans wouldnt have had them under their thumbs. When God was with the Israelites they won the wars they fought. He wasnt with them that is why the Romans were ruling over them. Jesus tried to help them, they rejected him. They still had the true God in their religion. They just werent doing what he willed. They were Gods chosen until Jesus told them off and then cut them off in Matt 23.

Dear Keiw, Please consider the words of the LORD

Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.”
Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come.”
So the Jews said, “Will He kill Himself, because He says, ‘Where I go you cannot come’?”
And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;"
 
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In Matthew ch22 is the Triune Elohim and Jesus clearly expresses it.
no, Mat 22 is the Jew expressing the Jewish non trinity one. Jesus agrees

Jesus never agreed with God being a singular 'one'
Jesus agrees in Mat 22

and it went right over the heads of the Jews, and yourself, on what Jesus said to them of who HE is.
nothing went over anyones head, they were both in agreement

the only way for you guys to make this one work is you have to come up with some kind of evidence that the Jews of all people were trinitarians at the time of Jesus, good luck with that one, and years later reverted back with no apparent reason.
 
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no, Mat 22 is the Jew expressing the Jewish non trinity one. Jesus agrees


Jesus agrees in Mat 22


nothing went over anyones head, they were both in agreement

the only way for you guys to make this one work is you have to come up with some kind of evidence that the Jews of all people were trinitarians at the time of Jesus, good luck with that one, and years later reverted back with no apparent reason.

Jesus answered, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven. But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what God said to you: ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

So if David calls Him ‘Lord,’ how can He be David’s son?”
No one was able to answer a word, and from that day on no one dared to question Him any further.
 

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Everyone who comes to the FATHER can only do so through the LORD Jesus Christ/Yashauh HaMoshiach

YAHshuah means this: God who came down or God who humbled Himself
Where did you read that? Jesus' Hebrew name is Yeshua, or Yehoshua/Jehoshua and it means "YHWH saved" or "YHWH is salvation" according to Strong's and the Online Bible Greek Lexicon. From the Wikipedia article for Yeshua:

The name יֵשׁוּעַ, Yeshua (transliterated in the English Old Testament as Jeshua), is a late form of the Biblical Hebrew name יְהוֹשֻׁעַ, Yehoshua (Joshua), and spelled with a waw in the second syllable.

Yeshua in Hebrew is a verbal derivative from "to rescue", "to deliver". Among the Jews of the Second Temple period, the Biblical Aramaic/Hebrew name יֵשׁוּעַ, Yēšūaʿ was common: the Hebrew Bible mentions several individuals with this name – while also using their full name Joshua. This name is a feature of biblical books written in the post-Exilic period (Ezra, Nehemiah, and Chronicles) and was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, though Haggai and Zechariah prefer the spelling Joshua. Strong's Concordance connects the name יֵשׁוּעַ, Yēšūaʿ, in the English form Jeshua (as used in multiple instances in Ezra, Nehemiah, and 1 and 2 Chronicles), with the verb "to deliver" (or, "to rescue"). It is often translated as "He saves," to conform with Matthew 1:21: "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins".

The name Yehoshua has the form of a compound of "Yeho-" and "shua": Yeho- (יְהוֹ) is another form of יָהו, Yahu, a theophoric element standing for the name of God, יהוה (the Tetragrammaton YHWH, sometimes transcribed into English as Yahweh), and שׁוּעַ, shua' is a noun meaning "a cry for help", "a saving cry", that is to say, a shout given when in need of rescue.​

Whereas the article for name you have come up with, Yahshuah, says:

The pentagrammaton (Greek: πενταγράμματον) or Yahshuah (Hebrew: יהשוה) is a constructed form of the Hebrew name of Jesus originally found in the works of Athanasius Kircher, Johann Baptist Grossschedel (1619) and other late Renaissance esoteric sources. It is to be distinguished from the name Yahshua found in the works of the Sacred Name Movement in the 1960s, though there has been some conflation or confusion between the two. The pentagrammaton Yahshuah has no support in archeological findings, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls or inscriptions, nor in rabbinical texts as a form of Joshua. Scholarship generally considers the original form of Jesus to be Yeshua, a Hebrew Bible form of Joshua.

The essential idea of the pentagrammaton is of an alphabetic consonantal framework Y-H-Sh-W-H, which can be supplied with vowels in various ways. (Also, the "W" can be converted into a "U" or "V", since the Hebrew letter ו waw writes either a [w] consonant sound—later on pronounced [v]—or a long vowel sound: see Mater Lectonis.)

The first ones to use a name of Jesus something like "Yahshuah" were Renaissance occultists. In the second half of the 16th century, when knowledge of Biblical Hebrew first began to spread among a significant number of Christians, certain esoterically minded or occultistic circles came up with the idea of deriving the Hebrew name of Jesus by adding the Hebrew letter shin ש into the middle of the Tetragrammaton divine name yod-he-waw-he יהוה to produce the form yod-he-shin-waw-he יהשוה.​
 
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John 17:21,

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

"...that they also may be one in us" is the text and it agrees with the Greek. If I changed the word "in" to "with" it was a mistake, but it wouldn't change the intended meaning, i.e. that we are one in God and Jesus.

As a side note, I wonder why Jesus didn't say, "that they may be one in me (or thee)?" Wouldn't the word "us" in the actual verse imply at least two?


You are making that distinction, not Jesus. Both Jesus and God understand the basic meaning of words and grammar.

None of those verses say Jesus is God, unless there is a lot of twist and turns in grammar world. And it they did say Jesus is God, then there would be many contradictions with the many clear verses that I've quoted, none of which require any more than reading what was written. You correctly said Jesus is the Son of God. Why can't you just accept that as the way words are normally used? Sorry, but a son is not also his father.


I see you doing that, but not Jesus. He always understood he was God's son, that his Father was greater than himself, that he didn't know things his Father knew, that his Father was also his God (God has a God?), that he had a different will than his Father's (he of course ignored his own will in favor of his Father's will), that he was tempted unlike his Father, that he was anointed by his Father (somebody anointed God?)...There are many more like this.


And who would this God and Father of God be?

Because we understand that Jesus is the son of God and therefore can't also be God? You might want to look up the word "understand" in a dictionary


YHWY and Emmanuel are both names and nothing more than names. There are hundreds of thousands of people with the name "Rich." Are they also really one person? I don't think so, because, besides myself, I personally know many others named "Rich" and I'm confident they're not all me.

As recorded in John 17:21, when Jesus says "that they also may be one in us", then Jesus linguistically distinguishes between the children of God and God being the person of the Father with the person of the Son with the person of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus says "they also may be one" is the children of God.

Jesus says "us" is God.

Jesus used the word "in", not "with", but truly the word "in".

The word "in" represents containment; on the other hand, the word "with" represents inclusion.

You desperately try to change the Word of God into that they also may be one with us", so you are making yourself out to be greater then the Word of God!

But, as you noted, the accurate translation from Greek uses the word "in".

Truly, the Word of God says "that they also may be one in us" (John 17:21); therefore the children of God is distinguished as a group from the One True God (Deuteronomy 6:4) being the person of the Father with the person of the Son with the person of the Holy Spirit.

We are children of God are in God. We are not God. We are in God. Thus says the Son.

Rich R, you misspelled God's Name, YHWH.

Names are very important, particularly with respect to spiritual matters.

Immanuel (Matthew 1:23 "God with us"), Jesus, is truly Almighty God, YHWH, with us (Revelation 1:8).
 

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Where did you read that? Jesus' Hebrew name is Yeshua, or Yehoshua/Jehoshua and it means "YHWH saved" or "YHWH is salvation" according to Strong's and the Online Bible Greek Lexicon. From the Wikipedia article for Yeshua:

The name יֵשׁוּעַ, Yeshua (transliterated in the English Old Testament as Jeshua), is a late form of the Biblical Hebrew name יְהוֹשֻׁעַ, Yehoshua (Joshua), and spelled with a waw in the second syllable.

Yeshua in Hebrew is a verbal derivative from "to rescue", "to deliver". Among the Jews of the Second Temple period, the Biblical Aramaic/Hebrew name יֵשׁוּעַ, Yēšūaʿ was common: the Hebrew Bible mentions several individuals with this name – while also using their full name Joshua. This name is a feature of biblical books written in the post-Exilic period (Ezra, Nehemiah, and Chronicles) and was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, though Haggai and Zechariah prefer the spelling Joshua. Strong's Concordance connects the name יֵשׁוּעַ, Yēšūaʿ, in the English form Jeshua (as used in multiple instances in Ezra, Nehemiah, and 1 and 2 Chronicles), with the verb "to deliver" (or, "to rescue"). It is often translated as "He saves," to conform with Matthew 1:21: "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins".

The name Yehoshua has the form of a compound of "Yeho-" and "shua": Yeho- (יְהוֹ) is another form of יָהו, Yahu, a theophoric element standing for the name of God, יהוה (the Tetragrammaton YHWH, sometimes transcribed into English as Yahweh), and שׁוּעַ, shua' is a noun meaning "a cry for help", "a saving cry", that is to say, a shout given when in need of rescue.​

Whereas the article for name you have come up with, Yahshuah, says:

The pentagrammaton (Greek: πενταγράμματον) or Yahshuah (Hebrew: יהשוה) is a constructed form of the Hebrew name of Jesus originally found in the works of Athanasius Kircher, Johann Baptist Grossschedel (1619) and other late Renaissance esoteric sources. It is to be distinguished from the name Yahshua found in the works of the Sacred Name Movement in the 1960s, though there has been some conflation or confusion between the two. The pentagrammaton Yahshuah has no support in archeological findings, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls or inscriptions, nor in rabbinical texts as a form of Joshua. Scholarship generally considers the original form of Jesus to be Yeshua, a Hebrew Bible form of Joshua.

The essential idea of the pentagrammaton is of an alphabetic consonantal framework Y-H-Sh-W-H, which can be supplied with vowels in various ways. (Also, the "W" can be converted into a "U" or "V", since the Hebrew letter ו waw writes either a [w] consonant sound—later on pronounced [v]—or a long vowel sound: see Mater Lectonis.)

The first ones to use a name of Jesus something like "Yahshuah" were Renaissance occultists. In the second half of the 16th century, when knowledge of Biblical Hebrew first began to spread among a significant number of Christians, certain esoterically minded or occultistic circles came up with the idea of deriving the Hebrew name of Jesus by adding the Hebrew letter shin ש into the middle of the Tetragrammaton divine name yod-he-waw-he יהוה to produce the form yod-he-shin-waw-he יהשוה.​

Thank you for the expanded historical info. You do not have to worry, i am no occultist.
But you should be greatly troubled by those who bring damnation on themselves by saying: "the Word was a god."
Make sure you are not one of them.

the LORD says: "you shall have no other gods before ME" = BAD, Very BAD

Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.” = LOST in sin

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. = BAD, Very BAD

"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” = Eternally BAD

Then they said to Him, “Who are You?”

Do you kiethr, really really know who Jesus/Yeshua/the WORD is???
Anyone can read a book and quote the story.
Anyone can say "Jesus is the son of God"
 
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"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” = Eternally BAD

Then they said to Him, “Who are You?”
And Jesus replied, John 8:25 (WEB), "Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning". And what had he been saying? Had he said "I am God" or "I am YHWH"? No. He had been saying that he was the Son of God. John the baptist testified that Jesus was the Son of God (John 1:34); demons said he was the Son of God (Matthew 8:29, Mark 3:11, Luke 4:41); Satan said Jesus was the Son of God (Matthew 4:3,6); even the centurion at the cross recognised that Jesus was the Son of God (Mark 15:39). Jesus clearly claimed it too, e.g. Luke 22:70 (WEB):

(70) They all said, “Are you then the Son of God?” He said to them, “You say it, because I am.”​
and John 10:36 (WEB):
(36) do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God?’
Peter confirmed it, and Jesus said that he was blessed because he believed it, Matthew 16:16-17 (WEB):

(16) Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
(17) Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.​

John declared it, John 20:31 (WEB):

(31) but these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.​

Paul taught it, Acts 9:20 (WEB):
(20) Immediately in the synagogues he proclaimed the Christ, that he is the Son of God.​
Hebrews 4:14 (WEB):
(14) Having then a great high priest, who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let’s hold tightly to our confession.​

Do you kiethr, really really know who Jesus/Yeshua/the WORD is???
Yes. Jesus is the only-begotten Son of God YHWH, who YHWH anointed to be mankind's saviour and to be king over YHWH's kingdom, the Messiah that was promised to the Israelites.
 
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