Once Saved, Always Saved?
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< SHOCK > in other words no defense
If that were only true, we could be spared so much inanity. But alas...
Grace and peace to you.
Michiah-Imla
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“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” (Matthew 5:48)
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” (John 14:12)
Wrong.
“For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.” (Romans 7:5)
Paul was speaking of our condition when we were in the flesh to contrast against where we are now:
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)
Michiah-Imla
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That poster directly contradicts the scripture and you think I have no defense against such foolishness?
I’m just observing the scriptures being made void by the Once Saved Always Saved zealots who fulfill this scripture:
“Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.” (Mark 7:13)
None of us makes that or any other scripture void in any way. That shoe is firmly on your foot (and also in your mouth). To wit:
“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” (Matthew 5:48)
The Scripture is what it is, but some posters here apparently think they are perfect, or that it is possible in this life to be so, and neither one is anywhere near the truth.
If that's wrong (it's not), then why is Paul in Romans 7 lamenting the fact that he is still in his "body of death" and longing to be finally free of it? If he were free from sin, which you would have him be, then why does he call himself the chief of sinners (1 Timothy 1), and also say that to live is Christ, and to die is gain (Philippians 1)?
You're just in denial mode, now, I guess. So be it.
Grace and peace to you.
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sigh**** every question i ask you. is dodged /ignored the scriptures all posted has merit and are in context.. let me ask one last question so you can ignore **** AT WHAT POINT HAVE WE LOST OUR SALVAION ? *****
the law represents SIN paul plainly points out SIN shall not have domain over us. we are under GRACE not law <paraphrased > scripture
Romans 6:14-16
King James Version
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
o wait i covered all this . curious is there anything in romans 6 you reject?
I REALLY REALLY HATE THE WORD WRONG!
That drops you in my estimation. It's that bully word we were subjected to on cc.
Thank you for the reply. He couldn't be more deceived in thinking he is perfect. When we are glorified it will be done!
For now we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect IS COME,then that which is in part shall be done away with .........................
For NOW we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face: now I KNOW IN PART,but then shall I KNOW even as also I am known 1 Cor. 13
Not OSAS
Michiah-Imla
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God is the final decider. But he gives us hints in his holy word:
When we cease from continuing in the faith grounded a settled, move away from the hope of the gospel (Colossians 1:23), and by sinning willfully after conversion (Hebrews 10:26).
God is the final decider. But he gives us hints in his holy word:
When we cease from continuing in the faith grounded a settled, move away from the hope of the gospel (Colossians 1:23), and by sinning willfully after conversion (Hebrews 10:26).
Michiah-Imla
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I guess you will have to drop Paul in your estimation as well: be consistent.
“But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.” (Colossians 3:25)
I guess you will have to drop Paul in your estimation as well: be consistent.
“But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.” (Colossians 3:25)
Michiah-Imla
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“Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.” (Philippians 3:15)
I pray God will reveal this to you.
I certainly hope if we are to be perfect here, he doesn't leave me in the dark.
I love the words of life given to us,and the fullness of God revealed.
I will submit to his will and be the example he wants as a light bearer and a standard holder!
Thank you for prayers.
MATURE = PERFECT, I think but it can be verified!
No sir Paul himself wrote he continued to battle the flesh. A disciple is not greater than his master.
As hard as you push against OSAS ,I wrote before I spoke. It caught me off guard that you believe in sinless perfection but not OSAS . To me they are both unobtainable. If we can walk away from our faith and we both do believe this, then how can you believe we can be without sin in this life? We are all just trying to worship and please God and be found in the Father's will.
May peace and love reign in our hearts
No sir Paul himself wrote he continued to battle the flesh. A disciple is not greater than his master.
As hard as you push against OSAS ,I wrote before I spoke. It caught me off guard that you believe in sinless perfection but not OSAS . To me they are both unobtainable. If we can walk away from our faith and we both do believe this, then how can you believe we can be without sin in this life? We are all just trying to worship and please God and be found in the Father's will.
May peace and love reign in our hearts
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Philippians 1.6 describes the situation of true believers: "He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ'.
John's First Epistle is full of assurance for the true believer, who walks in the light.
perfect ==== complete==which is sanctified which is a work in progress the final step when we make it to heaven .
other than that your grasping at straws
No, I am not , but I no longer kick against the pricks but try instead to run this race with patience and understanding aim for the prize so i press IN and press ON!
Michiah-Imla
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It’s not a “work in progress”.
God tells you to BE perfect.
You cannot BE something that cannot be obtained at the time of the instruction.
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