Roe V. Wade

[reformed1689]

There is enough killing throughout the Bible to make that statement meaningless.

Moses killed an Egyptian. What did God do to him? He met with him on the mountain, gave him the ten commandments and made him the greatest Old Testament prophet.

What about David, who killed Goliath? What did God do? He made him Israel's greatest king!

There are many other examples of God allowing people to kill others to bring about His justice.

Your simplistic "enough said" is absurd and, worse, contrary to Scripture.

so what justice is being done by the murder of a baby? Hmm?

 

[reformed1689]

In your sick mind.

I'm not the one ok with murdering babies.

 

[Stan B]

Yes they can certainly violate the law, but that will be deemed murder (which should have been the case all along). Abortion has been promoted as a birth-control option, but that does not change the fact that the fetus is a human being according to the Bible.

As for a fetus in the womb, it is not a child nor a living being. that fetus does not become a living being, as with Adam, God breathes into it the Breath/Spirit of life.

As God confirms "Until God has breathed into the fetus the breath/spirit of life, God says it is dead! "For as the body apart from the spirit is dead" (James 2:26 )

Just as with Ezekiel 37 and the valley of dry bones. The bones come together and are formed with flesh, muscles and skin. Just like a fetus, they have no life in them, until God breathes into them the breath of life, and they came to life.

There are many other such instances in Scripture, going all the way to Revelation where the Two Witnesses are killed. They remained lying in the street until God breathed into them the breath of life, and they stood up alive.

The breath of life is a theme all the way through Scripture.

 

[reformed1689]

As for a fetus in the womb, it is not a child nor a living being. that fetus does not become a living being, as with Adam, God breathes into it the Breath/Spirit of life.

So you would be ok with killing the baby seconds before it is born because it never took a breath? I got news for you babies breathe in the womb. You realize this right?

 

[Stan B]

Yes they can certainly violate the law, but that will be deemed murder (which should have been the case all along). Abortion has been promoted as a birth-control option, but that does not change the fact that the fetus is a human being according to the Bible.

A lot of things have changed over the years, and birth-control pills are now accompanied by abortion-control pills. Just get an abortion-control prescription from your doctor, and they are good for about 3 months or more after conception.

Abortion is only considered murder when the aborted fetus exits alive, adding a new complexity to the entire issue. There is at least one doctor serving prison time for snuffing out the life a baby who was born alive.

 

[reformed1689]

A lot of things have changed over the years, and birth-control pills are now accompanied by abortion-control pills. Just get an abortion-control prescription from your doctor, and they are good for about 3 months or more after conception.

Abortion is only considered murder when the aborted fetus exits alive, adding a new complexity to the entire issue. There is at least one doctor serving prison time for snuffing out the life a baby who was born alive.

All abortion doctors deserve the death penalty.

 

[Jim B]

All abortion doctors deserve the death penalty.

What happened to "thou shalt not kill" and "love your neighbor as yourself"? Did you tear those out of your KJV?

Are you seriously, as a professed Christian, promoting murder? May God have mercy on your soul!!!

 

[Jim B]

So you would be ok with killing the baby seconds before it is born because it never took a breath? I got news for you babies breathe in the womb. You realize this right?

Fetuses are completely immersed in amniotic fluid. If they "breathed" in the womb in the traditional sense they would drown! They do move amniotic fludi in and out of their fetal lungs but that is not breathing.

 

[Jim B]

I'm not the one ok with murdering babies.

No, you're just the one who is okay with murdering adults! (post #66)

 

[Stan B]

So you would be ok with killing the baby seconds before it is born because it never took a breath? I got news for you babies breathe in the womb. You realize this right?

Oxygen is supplied by the mother, but the fetus, submerged in amniotic fluid is not breathing on it's own. Keep in mind, that when a baby is born, God breathes into it's **nostrils** the breath of life.

With a few exceptions, I am not ok with any kind of abortion, any more than I am ok with someone having their leg cut off due to gangrene, but sometimes there are overriding circumstances. For instance, if my ten-year-old daughter was pregnant due to being raped, I would not encourage her in any way, to go through with the pregnancy. Similar to the Levitical law that demanded that the fetus, the product of adultery must be aborted. And most abortions are connected with some sort of immoral relationship. Bible definitely approves of such measures.

 

[Mantis]

I don't support abortion. I believe everyone should be able to make their own decisions without a bunch of uninformed anti-abortion tyrants trying to force their sick non-Biblical ideology on everyone else!

I adhere to Scripture, and no one has been able to provide proof that the Scripture says "Thou shalt not have an abortion." So, if God chose to omit that law, I believe He had a reason for doing so.

Hey I agree. Everyone should do what they want and suffer the consequences

So it's okay to let women die in childbirth (or before) because of a fetus that has died in utero? What if the baby has no chance of surviving outside the womb except for a few minutes? Should that baby die an agonizing death? Is that really what you want to happen?

Suppose a young teen has been forcibly raped by her father or a stranger? Should that child's life be ruined for many, many years? Would you be willing to care for that baby for many years? I doubt it.

The decision to terminate a pregnancy should be left entirely to the woman and her physician. Not to the impersonal government that has its own goals that aren't in the mother's or baby's best interests.

Abortion is not murder. It is a medical procedure, not a gun shot.

Yeah I don’t give a rip what people do. People are going to do whatever they are going to do. I’m sure there are instances where the baby or mother cannot survive without it. Maybe. I’ve never heard of it though. I think abortion is just the same as passing your child through the fire to Moloch. It’s just selfishness. Sacrificing your baby for personal gain.

 

[Stan B]

What happened to "thou shalt not kill" and "love your neighbor as yourself"? Did you tear those out of your KJV?

Are you seriously, as a professed Christian, promoting murder? May God have mercy on your soul!!!

Notwithstanding, God's Law demands that "If man sheds man's blood, by man should his blood be shed."

And as for loving my neighbor as myself, I don't include some murdering terrorist or hate monger my "neighbour".

David presents a different view regarding those who are not his neighbour:

"Do I not hate those who hate You, O LORD,
and detest those who rise against You? I hate them with perfect hatred;
I count them as my enemies. Search me, O God, and know my heart;
test me and know my concerns. See if there is any offensive way in me;"
Psalm 139

 

[Wrangler]

There is enough killing throughout the Bible to make that statement meaningless.

So, your argument is 2 wrongs make a right?

Murdering innocent unborn babies for convenience sake says a lot about a society.

Regarding your strawman arguments (So it's okay to let women die in childbirth), you must know >90% of abortions are due to convenience not life threatening situations.

Regarding the decision to murder babies should be left entirely to the woman and her physician; why stop at birth? Why not extend the power to take another life beyond the magical moment of birth? Infanticide, baby! You can play word games but the fact is abortion stops the beating of a human heart.

 

[Jim B]

Oxygen is supplied by the mother, but the fetus, submerged in amniotic fluid is not breathing on it's own. Keep in mind, that when a baby is born, God breathes into it's **nostrils** the breath of life.

With a few exceptions, I am not ok with any kind of abortion, any more than I am ok with someone having their leg cut off due to gangrene, but sometimes there are overriding circumstances. For instance, if my ten-year-old daughter was pregnant due to being raped, I would not encourage her in any way, to go through with the pregnancy. Similar to the Levitical law that demanded that the fetus, the product of adultery must be aborted. And most abortions are connected with some sort of immoral relationship. Bible definitely approves of such measures.

Great post!

 

[atpollard]

I believe that overturning Roe v. Wade is the right thing to do from a LEGAL perspective.
It was “Judicial Legislation” at its worst - violating the intended function and separation of the 3 Branches - and it was based on a flawed understanding of embryonic human development available at the time.

If the country wants a NATIONAL law legalizing Abortion (and I think the majority of people may, even if I do not) then it is the US Congress that creates Federal Laws, not the US Supreme Court.

If enough STATES want the US Constitution to provide for a right to abortion (which I believe they do not) then there is a mechanism for passing and ratifying amendments to the US Constitution (and the US Supreme Court is not part of that process).

Roe v. Wade was just a bad Judicial Decision on its legal merits.

 

[Jim B]

So, your argument is 2 wrongs make a right?

Murdering innocent unborn babies for convenience sake says a lot about a society.

Regarding your strawman arguments (So it's okay to let women die in childbirth), you must know >90% of abortions are due to convenience not life threatening situations.

Regarding the decision to murder babies should be left entirely to the woman and her physician; why stop at birth? Why not extend the power to take another life beyond the magical moment of birth? Infanticide, baby! You can play word games but the fact is abortion stops the beating of a human heart.

Your statement that >90% of abortions are due to convenience not life threatening situations is complete fiction. What is the source of this falsity?

The rest of your post is so absurd that it doesn't deserve a response!

 

[atpollard]

Abortion is “wrong” on moral grounds, but so is “fornication”.
I am reluctant to place too much hope in “legislating morality”.

When Roe v. Wade is overturned, people seeking abortions will simply cross state lines to get it done in a nearby state where it is legal. I think the talk of going back to “back-room” abortions is a silly scare tactic. In a world where illegal drugs can be had almost effortlessly, abortion pills will replace “knitting needles”.

Killing unborn babies is a “genie” that will not be put back into its bottle.
“Come quickly, Lord Jesus” is the only real answer to evil.

 

[reformed1689]

What happened to "thou shalt not kill" and "love your neighbor as yourself"? Did you tear those out of your KJV?

Are you seriously, as a professed Christian, promoting murder? May God have mercy on your soul!!!

The death penalty is not murder. Do you really not know the difference?

 

[atpollard]

Your statement that >90% of abortions are due to convenience not life threatening situations is complete fiction. What is the source of this falsity?

The rest of your post is so absurd that it doesn't deserve a response!

“A dated 1998 study — published by the International Family Planning Perspectives journal — reported that a 1987-1988 survey found that 2.8 percent of 1,773 women who had had an abortion that year said the reason for the abortion was risk to maternal health.”

 

[reformed1689]

Similar to the Levitical law that demanded that the fetus, the product of adultery must be aborted.

Again you need to check this. That is not what the Levitical law was. Try again.