Once Saved, Always Saved?

[Titus]

Peter teaches water immersion in the name of Jesus Christ saves us,
1Peter 3:20-21,
-Who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few that is eight souls were saved by water.
-There is also an antitype which now saves us-immersion, (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the ressurection of Jesus Christ.

Peter taught water saved Noah and his family .
That is the type.
The antitype that now saves us is water immersion.

Water baptism is not taking a bath to wash the flesh.
It is a response to Jesus' gospel, Mark 16:15-16 that only those with a good conscience will appeal.

Peter taught repentance and water immersion in the name of Jesus Christ is for the forgiveness of sins,
Acts 2:38,
-Then Peter said to them, Repent and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Only after repentance and water immersion were those who obeyed the gospel were given the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Peter commands Water immersion for Cornelius.
Just as Jesus commands water immersion in His great commission in Matthew 28:19.
Holy Spirit baptism has no commandment in Jesus' gospel.
Only water immersion is commanded by Jesus,
1Corinthians 14:37,
-If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.

Acts 10:47-48,
-Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we -have?
-And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord, then they asked him to stay a few days.

The gift of the Holy Spirit given to Cornelius was not to save him. It was to show the Jews that God has chosen the gentiles to be part of His chosen people.

Peter teaches us that the gospel of Jesus Christ that he preached to Cornelius is what saved him.
That gospel of Jesus Christ includes the commandment to be water baptized,

Acts 11:14,
-Who will tell you words(gospel) by which you and all your household will be saved.

No convert today gets the miraculous Holy Spirit power that Cornelius got ie tongue speaking.
That Holy Spirit gift was not to save Cornelius. The gospel that Peter spoke to him was his salvation, Romans 1:16.

Did you know water baptism is the gospel of Jesus Christ?
What is Jesus' gospel?
1Corinthians 15:1-4.
Death, burial and ressurection.

We believe in the death, burial and ressurection.
And then we do the death, burial and ressurection with Jesus.
How?
We do/obey the gospel in water immersion.
We must die with Christ so we may live with Christ

Romans 6:1-4 ;6-8
-what shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
-certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it.
-Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death.
-Therefore we were buried with Jesus through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

-6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Jesus, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

-7 For he who has died with Christ (baptism) we believe that we shall live with Jesus.

We are born again by death of the old man of sin, buried with Jesus in baptism raised from the watery grave of baptism with Jesus. Ressurected ie born again to live with Jesus in newness of life.

No one ever got born again by faith alone.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Because...He was speaking to those who were born before salvation had come--He said those things before going to the cross.

Context.

But He also spoke of things that pertained to all--which is why Paul (the apostle to those who Christ must also bring, who clarified the matter after salvation came) said, the word of truth must be "rightly divided." Which, you are not doing.

What context? No verse or passage says what you just did. That’s your imagination working over time. In fact, it does not make any sense for Jesus to give us New Commands (John 13:34) (1 John 3:23), and New Teachings on sin (like in Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15) just so that they would be undone quickly after the cross. That’s makes no sense. Besides, I also mentioned how Paul said a similar thing. Paul listed various sins like murder, adultery, and drunkenness, etcetera and said that they which do such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21). Paul is talking to believers here because it makes no sense to tell believers that sinning unbelievers are unsaved (Unless they were confused about Universalism or something silly - which is not supported by the context). Also, in Galatians 5:19-21, it does not matter if unbelievers perfectly obeyed this list. They will still not inherit the kingdom of God because they rejected Jesus as their Savior, and not because they did not commit those sins. So it’s written to believers and it’s a warning to them.

 

[ScottA]

What context? No verse or passage says what you just did. That’s your imagination working over time. In fact, it does not make any sense for Jesus to give us New Commands (John 13:34) (1 John 3:23), and New Teachings on sin (like in Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15) just so that they would be undone quickly after the cross. That’s makes no sense. Besides, I also mentioned how Paul said a similar thing. Paul listed various sins like murder, adultery, and drunkenness, etcetera and said that they which do such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21). Paul is talking to believers here because it makes no sense to tell believers that sinning unbelievers are unsaved (Unless they were confused about Universalism or something silly - which is not supported by the context). Also, in Galatians 5:19-21, it does not matter if unbelievers perfectly obeyed this list. They will still not inherit the kingdom of God because they rejected Jesus as their Savior, and not because they did not commit those sins. So it’s written to believers and it’s a warning to them.

Exactly--you don't know what context, so you act as if there wasn't a difference.

But I told you the context--those words of holding out "until the end", were spoken on the cusp of the coming of salvation--literally the greatest dividing line in the history of the world...and you say, "What context?"

That is the problem. You are apparently completely unaware of all that has transpired.

And you are wrong about no verse saying what I said--Paul said it: those things must be rightly divided.

But, again, you do not understand all that has transpired. Jesus was crucified for not jiving with the expectations of the Priests and the Pharisees, and now folks like yourself, in an inverted way, do the same. The point is--and you said it--Jesus also brought something new. And having stood in the gap between the old and the new, His words of truth must be rightly divided--because He did not violate either, but addressed both...and the counsel to each different group was different, as were the circumstances: Those who were of the old covenant had a need to endure until Christ delivered salvation to them in death, while He also counselled for the future after the Holy Spirit would come. His words covered salvation needs for both the dead and the living--who's needs are different. That is the context issue. But some would go the old way, and some the new--He even said so, saying, "But many who are first will be last, and the last first." Israel who came first would be the last to receive the Holy Spirit, while the gentiles who were last to have Christ come to them, would be first to receive the Holy Spirit--which is eternal life.

The context issue is everything. It would be like some attempting to save another by lifting and pushing them upward from below, while others above try to pull rather than push--and you all are looking on shouting "Push!" to the others rightly trying to pull. It's just wrong...and for lack of understanding--you're not at all helping.

You have not rightly perceived the times...and therefore have not rightly divided the word of truth, against the biblical counsel.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

What about those who seek to later be justified by the Law? Are they not fallen from grace?

Galatians 5:4
“Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”

“ Fallen from Grace” could equate Damnation.....it could also just mean you Christian Walk will be a Weak and Beggarly one.....intelligent Bible Students disagree....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

“Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.” (Hebrews 4:1)


We are commanded to REST in the Promise contained in the Gospel Of Grace( 1Cor15;1-4) .....If you do not REST in the Gospel it shows that you don’t really Believe it....THEN , you got Big- Time Trouble....God says that you are just like the Faithless Jews that wasted away in the Desert because they were too cowardly and faithless to enter the Promised Land......God accused them of “ disobedience and Unbelief” ......you are no different if you lack the Faith to Believe and therefore, REST in the Gospel.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

So, you are resting 24/7. How does anything get done?

YHVH told us to set apart the Sabbath as a special day. It is a day of rest.
He said it was a sign between him and his people.

The Sabbath was a Shadow .....the Substance Of That Shadow is “ Sabbathing” or RESTING in Christ’s Finished Work Of The Cross....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The gospel is believing that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen the third day according to the Scriptures. The gospel is one key component in being saved by God's grace.



As far as Salvation is concerned, it’s the * ONLY* Component......add to it and you “ fall from Grace”.... no matter how “ good” or “Holy” an addition may sound, it is a “ False and Perverted” Gospel.....”Even if it was delivered to you by an Angel”, Paul warned......Believe a false , “ improved “ Gospel and you are “ Severed from Christ” ......If you actually TEACH that False Gospel, you are “ Accursed”—- Damned by God......The Gospel * ALONE* is not only Essential for Salvation it is Adequate for Salvation....Paul says you will be Judged by “ his Gospel”—— don’t mess with it.....God won’t have it.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

O foolish man, who has bewitched you, that you should not obey the truth?

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions.

Sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.

She hath wearied herself with lies, and her great scum went not forth out of her: her scum shall be in the fire. In thy filthiness is lewdness: because I have purged thee, and thou wast not purged, thou shalt not be purged from thy filthiness any more, till I have caused my fury to rest upon thee.

And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

It’s always the same....it never changes....all of your verses are either taken out of context or are not being addressed to Believers....especially your misunderstanding of Hebrews 10....Ferris has no excuse for his continued ignorance....Simply read the nine chapters that proceed Hebrews 10 and a six year old could figure out what is being talked and earned about....the “ willful sin” is rejecting the Blood Of Jesus and not rejecting the blood of animals ......animal sacrifices were Worthless this side of the Cross....to Trust in THEM instead of Jesus was the Willful Sin.....There is “ No Other Sacrifice for Sin “ now......
“ Text Without CONTEXT is Error”....... One can’t just pluck out any verse that you choose and Twist it to mean something it does not mean.....You are “ Poor students of the Word” That fail To “ Rightly Divide”......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Jesus said to obey the Commandments. So, you are not being honest with yourself



No doubt about it! We “MUST” Obey the Commandments! Study your Bible —- Jesus left us with only Two—— #1 Believe. #2 Love.

You can throw in one more if you have an eagerness for Laws..... “ The Law Of Christ” is this—— “ Take on the Burdens Of Others”.......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

How does a person know that their confession is sincere? Just because they think it is? The Bible tells us to make our calling and election sure, and how to do that. Do you know where it says this in the Bible?

I sure do ! I also know what it means and perhaps more important, I know what it does NOT mean..... Peter is addressing Saved Believers.....He reminds them that they have been “Forgiven and Cleansed from their Sins”

Peter knows that this does not automatically make a person “Grow in Goodness and Knowledge , etc....He is stressing that they should do these things instead of being short- sighted, and essentially just robbing and hurting themselves....it’s akin to telling Saved People to get off their keisters and start Acting in a manner befitting their calling.....if they refuse to do so, they just hurt themselves.....it has nothing to do with the Salvation of these that have been “ Cleansed”.....THAT matter was settled by them putting their Faith in Jesus to Save them—-growth or not growth.....it was a “ Gift”, remember? When did “ that” ever change?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

. See, a sincere confession that 'Jesus is Lord' means Jesus really is Lord of your life. That means you are submitting to him in


To declare that “Jesus is Lord” shows that you Believe and have Faith.....The Faith to simply Believe that Jesus was Who He Claimed to be—- “GOD IN THE FLESH”.....The Almighty King Of The Universe .....God’s Son and Your Savior.....Believe these things to get Saved....

The title “ Lord” can also mean “ Boss”......a wise man will desire Jesus to be the “ Boss” or “Controller” Of their lives.....it something that I know that “ I” did a long, long time ago.....Either “I” can run my Life or I can hand it over to Somebody that is INFINITELY Wiser than I am and my life will be blessed as a result....it’s really just common sense....An Unwise, yet Saved Believer—- Saved Simply because he puts His Total Faith in the Gospel Of 1Cir15:1-4 t Save him—-can Foolishly think that perhaps he himself can do an adequate enough job of running his or her life.... I think that The Holy Spirit in the Heart Of The Believer will lead a Saved Soul to recognize the Wisdom Of “ handing over the reins” of their lives to Jesus is something that SHOULD be done....It’s NOT a Condition Of Salvation .....you always seem to forget that Salvation is a “ GIFT”......You turn it into a Trade.....”I’ll Save you if you do everything that I say to do from now on” Simply is NOT in the Bible......You Confuse “ Should” with “ Must”....a well- meaning , but an erroneous Addition to the Gospel.....it is not included in 1Cor 15:1-4 and That makes it a False Gospel —- You May want to check out Gal1:8 to discover the Fate of those that teach a “ False, Perverted Gospel”....... it ain’t pretty.....

 

[Taken]

Jesus will never leave us nor forsake us if we abide by the terms of the contract or covenant. Read Deuteronomy 31. In the same chapter it says God will never forsake the Israelites but in that same chapter it says that He will forsake them if they break His covenant. Compare verses 6 and 8 with verses 16-17.

And...? Already SAID, Apply What Does Apply, Do not Apply What Does NOT Apply.

If, Jesus, us, we, Gentiles, Israel, never leave, never forsake, covenant.

If, God, they, them, Israelites, will forsake, will leave covenant.

Apples and Oranges, different CONTEXT.

NOT my APPLICABLE CONTEXT:
IF, God, Israelite, Them, They, Had Covenant With God, Never Forsake IF they... Will Forsake IF they... (No mention of God Leaving them.)

IS APPLICABLE in CONTEXT to me:
IF, Jesus, us, we, (Israelite) or Gentile, Have A Covenant With Jesus, Never Forsake, Never Leave.

* Old Covenant Given Israelites (Not Gentiles).
* Old Covenant Given, applied to Israelites, was Fulfilled, BY Jesus.
* Old Covenant Given, Israelites, NOT DESTROYED.
* Old Covenant Given, Israelites....
*They, Them, Israelites, CAN Freely CHOOSE to continue their Covenant WITH God, and BE WITH God. God WILL never Leave THEM.
*They, Them, Israelites, CAN Freely CHOOSE to BREAK their Covenant WITH God, and God WILL Forsake them, BUT Never Leave Them.
*They, Them, Israelites, CAN Freely CHOOSE to ACCEPT, Jesus’ new better Covenant, AND?
*THAT Israelite, WILL, by, through, of JESUS; (Gods Salvation)
BE never Forsaken by Jesus, never Left by Jesus;
Reconciled With God, (Gods Forsaken Restored), Forever NOT Forsaken, Forever WITH, God and Jesus.

* Forsaken, is to abandon.
* With, is to continue Overseeing, whether or not, abandoned.

* Forsake and With are fine lines of opposites, in different contexts.
A man can abandon his family, wife, children, (not keep a regular contact, not continue a daily nurturing relationship.....YET continue to be with them in thought, overseeing provisions for their home, their food, their needs, and even blessings of their wants.)

* Same with God. He can, will Abandon the Israelites who Abandon God. Yet God WILL NOT LEAVE them. God continues thinking of THEM, Overseeing Provisions for THEM, Needs, Wants, Blessings. To THEM.
* AND offers A WAY, of a new better Covenant, by, through, of Jesus, TO Reconcile their Forsaken Abandonment.
* It is “THEM, “THEIR”, the individual Israelite’s FREEWILL, To become Reconciled, Overcoming their Forsaken Abandonment, BY, THROUGH OF, Gods WAY....who IS Jesus the Christ Messiah.

* Broadly, Majority of Gentiles, were FORSAKEN by God, millennial’s ago.
* Gentiles Majority of Centuries Invented their own “gods”, (stars, moon, sun, stone statues, animals, other men, etc.)
* Many Israelites, mimicked Gentiles, in all ways.
* Some Israelites, mimicked Gentiles in public, ie Abandoned God in public, yet remained with God in private.
* THAT ^ a constant, INNER, CONFLICT, between the individuals...
Thoughts of the MIND doing one thing, and Thoughts of the HEART doing another thing.

(Today, we have medical terminologies, that applies to the inner conflicts consequences: Depression, Anxiety, Stress, Personality disorders, Mental illness, etc. etc. and synthetic chemical compounds galore to sooth. <—- Play on words...galore; synthetic chemical compounds IS not Gods WAY to Gods “glory”, of overcoming, Conflict, between a mans Minds thoughts and a mans Hearts thoughts!)

Point Being...
I can KNOW, “what” Applies to an Israelite, “when” and “why”....
And I “KNOW”, I am NOT an Israelite.
I can KNOW, “what” Applies to a Gentile, “when” and “why”...
And I “KNOW”, I am A Gentile.
I can KNOW, “what” Applies to ALL men, “when” and “why”...
And I “KNOW”, “what” I have Freely Chosen “will apply to me” “when” and “why’.

It is THE “what” that APPLIES to me, which IS directly pursuant, to WHAT I individually Have been Offered BY God, and I individually ACCEPTED from God, according to His Order and Way,
WHICH IS, expressly, that which I HAVE Received, according to His Order and Way.

Gods OFFERING, applies to ALL men. It’s already Given for every individual man. It is ALREADY THEIRS TO.....TAKE or NOT.

That seems to be individual men’s Conundrum...
Men ... attempt to argue;
1) What DOES NOT APPLY TO an other....is stated or implied does apply to the other...
(Like in the scenario you presented)
2) That...men CAN Accept Salvation, THEN Reject their Received Salvation....thus that is HOW they can LOSE their Salvation.
(False)

God ALREADY GAVE the Earth to mankind FOR mankind’s Habitat, FOR mankind to BE sustained, BY the Earth, BY what is ON, IN, ABOVE the Earth...IT WAS EXPRESSLY GIVEN TO ALL of Mankind, FOR ALL Mankind, TO TAKE, HAVE, USE, POSSESS, REJECT, according to MANS FREEWILL.

Gods GIVING, was accomplished...
Individual mans TAKING, is ONLY accomplished, when the Individual man TAKES what God Gave for Every Individual man.

God gave, the plant that produces PEAS. I individually freely chose to TASTE of that Plants PEAS. I didn’t LIKE IT. I spit it out. I no longer choose to TASTE PEAS, nor did I EAT the PEAS.
* THAT ^ has NO Effect whatsoever, on what God Offered and Gave for me....The ONLY thing that was EFFECTED, by my freewill, was...
IF I TASTED, (I had an Experience of Gods Gift with me)
IF I spit it out, (That Tasting Experience of Gods Gift with me, Ended)
IF I ATE it, it was “IN” me, (That Eating Experience of Gods Gift in me, NEVER ended).
EATING Gods Gift, IS Gods Gift IN me. The PEAS, full of nutrients, minerals, would sustain, my body ON the Inside. The PEAS, would NEVER become, un-eaten.

NOW...open ears, open eyes....
God SENT His Gift of Salvation From Heaven To Earth.
Gods SALVATION IS: expressly revealed In Scriptural Knowledge;
GIVEN....When, what, who, where, why....

Gods SALVATION GIFT....above the earth, on the earth, in the earth...
A gift God has GIVEN for the whole of men, body, soul, spirit.....
The Whole of a man, above, on, in the earth.
(Remember...? God already GAVE what is ON EARTH, IN the EARTH, ABOVE the Earth, FOR mankind. It’s is already mankind’s, to TAKE and HAVE, or NOT)...

When God SENT His SALVATION....THAT GIFT is ALREADY GIVEN ALL men FOR:
ANY man; To take, To taste, To experience the Taste, To like it, To not like it, To spit it out and stop having it, To eat it and have it forever.

 

[Taken]

@Bible Highlighter

Fact IS...
Many men will TASTE, Gods Gift of Salvation, and ENJOY Gods Blessing WITH THEM....Maybe roll that TASTE around in their mouth, for a minute, for a year, whatever....and freely choose to SPIT out what they TASTED....and some even freely DENY their blessing were from God...(you know, the “good luck, stroke of luck”, gang?)

* THEY DID NOT RECEIVE SALVATION....THEY received a TASTE of what Gods Gift of SALVATION is LIKE, Having God “WITH” them, Having Blessings “from” God.
* “IF” they can ENDURE, ie. manage by their own WILLPOWER, to keep, FROM “SPITTING” OUT that Taste in their mouth....until the DAY of their physical life.......”THEN” they WILL BE SAVED, on the day of their physical Death.
* “IF” they can not “ENDURE”, ie manage by their own WILLPOWER, to keep, FROM spitting out that Taste in their mouth....oops....(they are not with God, and God is not with them.)
* “IF” during their daily lives, evil spirits, wicked power sitting men, connive, trick, deceive them to “SPIT” out that TASTE in their mouths... oops....THEY CAN NOT EAT, what is NOT in their mouth...can they?
(They are not with God, and God is not with them.)

* THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THEIR SALVATION, THEN LOSE THEIR SALVATION....THEY DID TASTE THEIR SALVATION, THEN LOST THEIR SALVATION......BY FREELY CHOOSING TO SPIT OUT THEIR SALVATION....BY FREELY CHOOSING TO NOT EAT THEIR SALVATION.

* Gods Salvation is Gods Gift to all men.
* Not a secret, God sent His Gift to Earth.
* Not a secret, What is on the Earth is for all men.
* Tasting, is what a man alive in his natural flesh does...
~ Men alive in their natural flesh can and do Taste Gods Salvation.
~ And while a natural flesh man is TASTING Gods gift of Salvation, Gods Spirit will be “with” that man.
* EATING Gods gift of Salvation, is an act of the natural flesh mans FREEWILL Hearts thoughts and Decision....TO EAT.
which immediately CAUSES, a SPIRITUAL RESULT.
*** That mans natural flesh body, BECOMES immediately “spiritually DEAD”....and “spiritually ALIVE”!

A LIVING body of a natural man, DOES THE EATING of Gods Gift of Salvation.
THAT natural body becomes DEAD, and BY Gods WORKS, becomes “born again”, as a “spiritual body”.
THAT “spiritual body”, NEVER reverts back, to a “natural body”.
THAT “mans SALVATION”, is never lost, undone, puke up, spit out.
FOREVER God is “WITH” that man.
FOREVER that man is “WITH” God.

Never does Scripture teach, an individual man is OFFERED Gods Gift of Salvation repeatedly to EAT, spit out, to EAT, spit out, to EAT, spit out.....
THE EATING of Gods Gift of Salvation IS Offered to and for all of mankind to TAKE and EAT ONCE.
Any man WHO has Taken and Eaten His Gift of Salvation, ONCE, IS the same man, WHOSE BODY, shall become DEAD....and thereafter...
* HIS OLD DEAD BODY, can MAKE NO Decisions, TO SPIT OUT, reverse, undo, WHAT his NEW BODY, RECEIVED.

* Men who claim, They have received their Salvation and also are Enduring to their end of natural life, are still sinning against God, and STILL can make Decisions VIA their OLD Body...and hope without assurance.
* have neither, laid down their old body to death, eaten their gift of Salvation, been freed from sin, nor received their new body, and are preaching from the perspective of ...
* Tasting “their salvation” and the perspective of “the minds thoughts of their old natural living flesh body.”

^ THAT does not apply to me.

 

[Taken]

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

You don’t have eternal life yet.

That is according to you, your eyes, your understanding.

You are still in the temporal world.

Nope.
Already gave my body unto death.
Already received restoration of my soul.
Already received Gods SEED, that birthed my new spirit.

AND MY DEAD BODY? Given to Jesus’ care, redeemed, washed, sanctified, covered, justified, kept....for it’s day of glorification and resurrection...

AND....oh ya....meantime, Jesus has loaned me HIS RISEN BODY to dwell in...

So do what Jesus said and strive to endure unto the end; this is when you will be:

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

That applies to BELIEVERS....WHO FAILED to lay down their Life WITH JESUS....they are enduring...believing...hoping to continue believing to the day THEY GIVE THEIR LIFE unto DEATH, FOR God, SO THEY CAN RECEIVE THEIR SALVATION!

Doesn’t APPLY to me...”WILL BE SAVED when I lay down my LIFE”...?
ALREADY DID...Crucified WITH JESUS!...Already RECEIVED my Salvation.

 

[Taken]

You and me and everyone walking alive on this earth are in the temporal.

I am not subject to YOUR LIMITED HUMAN “EYE SIGHT”!

God WHO IS SPIRIT, Offered natural men, A SPIRITUAL WAY...
“Beyond human men’s eye-sight, to receive Gods Offering of Salvation after being crucified WITH Jesus’!

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven

You aren’t clothed upon with the house from heaven yet.

Endure to the end like Jesus said!

What APPLIES to “YOU”, is because of “YOUR freewill choices”...
You certainly CAN “In your natural flesh body”....BELIEVE...hope you can endure and keep believing UNTIL YOUR natural body drops dead. AND THEN IF YOU kept believing, receive your salvation then...

WHY try to make what applies to you.....apply to EVERYONE ELSE?
DID you miss Jesus’ WORDS TO men willing to listen and receive their Salvation BEFORE Physical Death? You know...the crucified WITH Jesus, thingy.....you know....FREELY choose to lay down your life WITH Jesus....?

How many times does A man have to lay down his LIFE unto Death...Before he can receive Salvation? ONCE.
Isn’t crucifixion with JESUS ONCE....SUFFICIENT?
Jesus taught it IS....
Why are YOU TEACHING, it is NOT sufficient?

 

[mailmandan]

What church are you in? Romans 16:16...

I see that you have swallowed the church of Christ sales pitch hook, line and sinker. While temporarily attending the church of Christ several years ago when I was a teenager, I remember them teaching that ONLY "their" church is the "True Church" and they quoted Romans 16:16 in an effort to support their claim simply because of the name - "The churches of Christ greet you." Such a silly claim! There is another church today with the name, "church of God" and that name is mentioned in the Bible as well (Acts 20:28; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 10:32; 11:22 etc..) so should we assume that only the church of God denomination is the "True Church" because of it's name? Of course not. The name "churches of Christ" and "church of God" in scripture is not referring to a specific denomination, but to the body of Christ (Colossians 1:18,24) which is made up of all born again Christians/believers and is not merely a church building with a name stamped on it.

It was a friend who invited me to attend the church of Christ several years ago. His Aunt was a very devout and thoroughly indoctrinated member of the church of Christ. I'll never forget several years later running into my friend's Aunt at my friend's daughter's birthday party. Since then, I had received Christ through faith and was now a born again Christian. I shared this good news with his Aunt and the only question that she had for me was, "where do you attend church?" When my answer was not "the church of Christ," she bowed her head in sadness as if to imply that I was still lost because I didn't say the church of Christ.

Soon after that her husband approached me and I shared the good news with him that I received Christ through faith and am now a Christian as well and he had the same question, "where do you attend church," and when I told him and the answer was not the church of Christ, his eyes glazed over followed by a cheesy legalistic grin on his face and he simply walked away from me and neither of them would speak with me for the rest of the night. I knew that something was terribly wrong! I could hear them both over in the corner going on and on about "salvation by water baptism" and ONLY the church of Christ is the "True Church." I quickly came to realize they were deceived.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

To declare that “Jesus is Lord” shows that you Believe and have Faith.

No. Jesus actually being Lord of your life shows that you believe and have faith. This teaching you endorse is deceiving millions of people into thinking they are saved when they really are not. Your work for the gospel will be as hay, wood, and stubble at the return of Christ.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

“ handing over the reins” of their lives to Jesus is something that SHOULD be done....It’s NOT a Condition Of Salvation .

Correct, the obedience of Lordship is not a condition. It's the sign that you are saved.
It's only a condition for salvation in that it must accompany salvation (Hebrews 6:9).

"9 ...things that accompany salvation." Hebrews 6:9
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It is the doing of those things that confirm your calling and election:

11We want each of you to show this same diligence (the work that accompanies salvation) to the very end, in order to make your hope sure." Hebrews 6:11​

 

[Michiah-Imla]

[why do I torture myself by engaging in this seemingly futile topic]

“To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken” (Jeremiah 6:10)

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I sure do ! I also know what it means and perhaps more important, I know what it does NOT mean..... Peter is addressing Saved Believers.....He reminds them that they have been “Forgiven and Cleansed from their Sins”

Peter knows that this does not automatically make a person “Grow in Goodness and Knowledge , etc....He is stressing that they should do these things instead of being short- sighted, and essentially just robbing and hurting themselves....it’s akin to telling Saved People to get off their keisters and start Acting in a manner befitting their calling.....if they refuse to do so, they just hurt themselves.....it has nothing to do with the Salvation of these that have been “ Cleansed”.....THAT matter was settled by them putting their Faith in Jesus to Save them—-growth or not growth.....it was a “ Gift”, remember? When did “ that” ever change?

No, you obviously do not know what "make your calling and election sure" means (2 Peter 1:10). It has nothing to do with making yourself saved. It means purposely acting in a manner that confirms that you are saved.

"10 ...strive to make your calling and election sure." 2 Peter 1:10

"11 ...show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure." Hebrews 6:11​