Do Men Have Authority Over Women?

[Bob Estey]

I think Paul meant out of turn. Being invited to speak is another matter.

If he didn't say what he meant here, how can we believe he didn't misspeak other times, also?

 

[Bob Estey]

Oh and the circle continues. But how do you decide which writers are true? Which ones are really quoting God? You have no foundation at all. Wishy Washy. You get to picke and choose what to believe. Good grief.

It's not a circle. I believe Paul's letters are genuine - the Bible doesn't lie - but I think Paul was wrong when he prohibited women from speaking in a church.

 

[Bob Estey]

No I'm refuting your asinine interpretation of what that means.

I'm interpreting nothing - I'm taking him at face value.

 

[Wrangler]

If he didn't say what he meant here, how can we believe he didn't misspeak other times, also?

I think Paul did say what he meant. It's you who are taking it out of context, perhaps overly literally.

The Bible is uniquely rich in figurative language usage. In Genesis, God famously said the day you eat the forbidden fruit and sure enough ~900 years later, they surely died.

 

[Pierac]

Are you okay? Your post is angry and confused. What is all this nonsense? He-Man Woman-Haters Club... it was a neighborhood boys club founded by Spanky and compromising nearly all the boys in the club. Spanky founded the exclusive club as a defense against girls and Valentine's Day, but Alfalfa's heart was just not in it. His love for Darla keeps him from taking it seriously, but Spanky soon forces him to realize the bonds of brotherhood."

How did I get angry and confused with such a funny but was Soooo true! I was having fun... but now I'm about to have more fun.... Now it's your turn...

So JIM... I want you to explain to the Women on this site how you think you as a man have authority over them!

Thank you time.... LOL

BTY... Should I refer to you as Spanky from now own???
PAUL

 

[Taken]

The “vise versa” is unbiblical.

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

But the worlds attitude towards God’s word is summed up in this verse:

“I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.” (Hosea 8:12)

The visa versa is reality.

Men have women Employers...they do have authority over their employees.
Women are Police Officers...they do have authority over men.
Women are Judges...they do have authority over men.

Men having authority over Women, in context of Scripture, requires the context to be known and understood.

The context, was something new. A Religious gathering, of something new to the people “gathering”, in a building being called something new to them “a Church”.
Pryor, men had gathered to participate in a religious gathering, called a Temple, or Synagogue. Women who wanted to hear, stood outside, the room, area, wall, etc., where the men were gathering, and one man speaking.

When men gathered, the gathering of men WERE TO BE SILENT, with only ONE man speaking at a time.
When men and women gathered together “in” a church...one man would speak; and the women were talking, asking, telling, interrupting.

Probably much like they did, standing on the outside of the Temple.
Probably much like you might see in a church today...
Men and woman gathered together in a church, one man speaking...
While men, women, males, females, can be observed in the congregation, talking, asking, telling someone else something.

The context is a lesson for everyone Listening to one speaker, is to close their mouth, and remain listening.

 

[MatthewG]

I am reminded of Jesus and what He did in front of his disciples as well, speaking on the subject.

See, the Jewish people in that day in Age (not to say people do not look down on others from a fleshly stand-point, as I am guilty of sinning just as much as the next person), looked down on other people who were not part of their own personal nation.

John 4:
13Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again. 14But whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a fount of water springing up to eternal life.”15The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water so that I will not get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”16Jesus told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”17“I have no husband,” the woman replied.

Jesus said to her, “You are correct to say that you have no husband. 18In fact, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. You have spoken truthfully.”19“Sir,” the woman said, “I see that You are a prophet. 20Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews say that the place where one must worship is in Jerusalem.”21“Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”25The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When He comes, He will explain everything to us.”26Jesus answered, “I who speak to you am He.”27Just then His disciples returned and were surprised that He was speaking with a woman. But no one asked Him, “What do You want from her?” or “Why are You talking with her?”28Then the woman left her water jar, went back into the town, and said to the people, 29“Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the Christ?” 30So they left the town and made their way toward Jesus.

 

[reformed1689]

I'm interpreting nothing - I'm taking him at face value.

No you aren't, you are taking what the english words say at face value without even considering the context of what he is speaking.

 

[reformed1689]

It's not a circle. I believe Paul's letters are genuine - the Bible doesn't lie - but I think Paul was wrong when he prohibited women from speaking in a church.

Paul's letters are genuine what? Clearly you don't think they are Scripture because you keep dancing around that subject. So, like I said, you are picking and choosing what you think is Bible based on what you agree or do not agree with.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Men have women Employers...they do have authority over their employees.
Women are Police Officers...they do have authority over men.

Irrelevant.

Christians amongst themselves must follow biblical precepts.

Men having authority over Women, in context of Scripture, requires the context to be known and understood.

So the way of the world is how you take scriptures into context?

Wow, what great error!

 

[Taken]

Irrelevant.

Christians amongst themselves must follow biblical precepts.



So the way of the world is how you take scriptures into context?

Wow, what great error!

WOW, I said no such thing.

Pay attention to what your comment is responding to ... your own comment and your own question!
That’s on you, not me!

 

[Jim B]

How did I get angry and confused with such a funny but was Soooo true! I was having fun... but now I'm about to have more fun.... Now it's your turn...

So JIM... I want you to explain to the Women on this site how you think you as a man have authority over them!

Thank you time.... LOL

BTY... Should I refer to you as Spanky from now own???
PAUL

I never said that men have authority over women; that is a lie. When Paul wrote his epistle, he was speaking to a very specific situation. If you think it is universal, then you are recreating the law.

The rest of your post is just plain stupid!

 

[reformed1689]

When Paul wrote his epistle, he was speaking to a very specific situation.

Yes and no. The principle is universal because of his appeal to Eve and the situation of the genders overall, not just in Corinth.

 

[charity]

'And the LORD God said,
It is not good that the man should be alone;
I will make him an help meet for him.'
(Gen 2:18)

Hello there, @reformed1689

Adam loved Eve, he named her, she was bone of his bone, flesh of his flesh. God made Eve as a help meet (Genesis 2:18), a companion for Adam. There is nothing unequal in the role of help meet. Their relationship should be mutually beneficial.

'Two are better than one;
because they have a good reward for their labour.
For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow:
but woe to him that is alone when he falleth;
for he hath not another to help him up.
Again, if two lie together, then they have heat:
but how can one be warm alone?
And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him;
and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.'
(Ecc 4:9-18)

The marriage bond should be one of love and mutual respect. Each looking out for the other. God's order, if observed, should provide for a stable loving relationship. The chaos and breakdown of the marriage relationship, with the heartbreak, and psychological instability it causes to all concerned, is the result of not taking heed to God's instruction, and of overturning it. It is resulting in the breakdown of society generally.

The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life was Eve's downfall, beguiled as she was by Satan's wiles: and it is women's downfall generally today, too. They need the loving support of a good man, who orders his household according to God's instruction, and who has the assured loving support of a good woman at the end of the working day.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Grailhunter]

I’ve reached the same conclusion for different reasons.

For all the bashing of the male ego, as a rule, women do not handle authority well because it exposes the god complex women have, starting with Eve.

The female ego is so gigantic, we cannot even acknowledge it’s existence. Add authority to that and it is a disaster. My ex-wife would not submit to my authority and was extremely emotion driven.

She’d tell me a situation was very emotional AS IF that was a get out of jail card for her disastrous decision-making.

It is hard to submit to authority and most men do it much better than most women. I admit most people in jail are men but that only represents ~1% of the population. However, I think the OP is not about societal deemed authority but divinely deemed authority. A female can be put in a position in our society of authority but these are social constructs not natural constructs, e.g., police, judge, public education instructor, etc.

Ego is mostly a male thing.
And you are right, men have more issues with authority and obedience.
Now spiritually, I would give women the edge.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

When Paul wrote his epistle, he was speaking to a very specific situation.

No. Paul wrote timeless rules for the saints!

“These things write I unto thee… that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” (1 Timothy 3:14-15)

 

[charity]

It's not a circle. I believe Paul's letters are genuine - the Bible doesn't lie - but I think Paul was wrong when he prohibited women from speaking in a church.

Hello @Bob Estey,

Paul was a called Apostle, chosen by God, instructed by the risen Christ, and lead by the Holy Spirit, how dare you or anyone else question what he had to say. He spoke by divine authority.

God is our Maker, and He knows us, He knows our strengths and weaknesses, and has given instruction accordingly. It is in our interests to listen and to submit to His rule and authority, whether male or female. He will give the necessary love and grace to the willing soul.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Jim B]

'And the LORD God said,
It is not good that the man should be alone;
I will make him an help meet for him.'
(Gen 2:18)

Hello there, @reformed1689

Adam loved Eve, he named her, she was bone of his bone, flesh of his flesh. God made Eve as a help meet (Genesis 2:18), a companion for Adam. There is nothing unequal in the role of help meet. Their relationship should be mutually beneficial.

'Two are better than one;
because they have a good reward for their labour.
For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow:
but woe to him that is alone when he falleth;
for he hath not another to help him up.
Again, if two lie together, then they have heat:
but how can one be warm alone?
And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him;
and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.'
(Ecc 4:9-18)

The marriage bond should be one of love and mutual respect. Each looking out for the other. God's order, if observed, should provide for a stable loving relationship. The chaos and breakdown of the marriage relationship, with the heartbreak, and psychological instability it causes to all concerned, is the result of not taking heed to God's instruction, and of overturning it. It is resulting in the breakdown of society generally.

The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life was Eve's downfall, beguiled as she was by Satan's wiles: and it is women's downfall generally today, too. They need the loving support of a good man, who orders his household according to God's instruction, and who has the assured loving support of a good woman at the end of the working day.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

As someone who has had a wonderful marriage for 53 years I can state without any hesitation that if you love each other and put the other person's wants and needs above your own, everything else will fall into its proper place.

 

[Naomanos]

THEY appease men , they do not stand for biblical truth PEROID .

Your opinion and one I do not agree with. Also, please stop shouting in your posts or I will put you on ignore. For that, I will gladly put someone on ignore.

To all, do not try and get me to leave the Episcopal Church, it will not happen, so you're wasting your time.

 

[Bob Estey]

I think Paul did say what he meant. It's you who are taking it out of context, perhaps overly literally.

The Bible is uniquely rich in figurative language usage. In Genesis, God famously said the day you eat the forbidden fruit and sure enough ~900 years later, they surely died.

Paul was very plain: Women shouldn't speak in churches. I disagree.