For those who think Christ is not God.

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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

@Truther

Will you add to this? Will you take away from this? Will you accept this? Or deny it?

Much love!

 

[face2face]

Therefore the Last Adam, a new humanity. Not part of Adam's progeny. Uncorrupted, and as He is God Himself, incorruptible, fully man, and truly fully God.

Much love!

So this is 100% false and the Scripture goes to great lengths to prove Jesus was born of a woman born and from the line of Adam etc.

Matthew 1:1 This is the record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham

The connection is paramount and failure to understand this is failure to not know the Christ. From his connection to the Promises of God and for reason on him being in the line of Adam to save his progeny.

Luke 3:23 He (Jesus) was the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli.....

Luke 3:37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Kenan, 3:38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

 

[Waiting on him]

Throughout scripture the belief and trust in the declaration that Jesus is the Son of God is seen as a first principle in faith. Among the apostles this equated as proof of divinity...as proof of Sonship prior to the incarnation. He was the Creator in the beginning, and He is now the recreator of minds and hearts lost and corrupted through the deceitfulness of sin. We are called to honor the Son as we honor the Father. In love, in worship, in service, in faithfulness, in character. May the Lord bless all who come to Him in true faith and hope of eternal life.

I can’t think of anyone on this thread denying Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[Waiting on him]

1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

@Truther

Will you add to this? Will you take away from this? Will you accept this? Or deny it?

Much love!

Yes he is the image of the invisible God.

 

[Waiting on him]

I’m a son of God, born of God. According to some here…….. I Am God!

 

[Waiting on him]

Maybe this is the objective?

 

[Waiting on him]

I think that we sin by nature because Adam #1 was our daddy.

I believe Jesus condemned sin in the flesh, and all that’s left is evil, and this is in the heart.

 

[Brakelite]

I can’t think of anyone on this thread denying Jesus is the Son of God.

I agree. But is your son human, presuming you have a son? So if you being corrupted by 6000 years of degeneration, are still able to beget someone after your own kind, why cannot God being perfect, beget someone after His own unique kind... God?

 

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With regard to his obedient disciples, the Son of God speaks of “equality,” not, indeed, with God, but “with the angels.” “They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that age and the resurrection from the dead . . . are equal unto the angels, and are children of God, being the children of the resurrection” (Luke 20:36).

You should put that back into the context in which you found it.

Personally I find poor arguments dilute the better arguments.

Jesus is to be the firstborn of many brethren, I think that shows our affinity to Him rather than the angels, save in reproductive capacity.

Much love!

 

[APAK]

I think that we sin by nature because Adam #1 was our daddy.

Babies are not sinners.

They are innocent until they begin to grow up and sin, therefore if a baby dies they go to heaven, not needing to be born again.

So, what makes a sinner is sinning.

Jesus(Adam #2) was tempted and COULD HAVE sinned, but did not.

We have the inherent nature of the 1st Adam competing with the overcoming nature of the last Adam in us after we are given the Holy Ghost.

So, Jesus could be the seed of Abraham(a sinner) and still not be a sinner unless he actually sinned.

Understandest thou me?

Do not agree with your very last statement. Christ could never be a direct human seed or human DNA of Abraham, not happening. Christ was given the created physical DNA from God's spirit as was the first Adam. They never had the inclination to sin even when they grew up in their teens. And it therefore took a lot for Adam to sin beyond being just tempted.....

 

[Brakelite]

I’m a son of God, born of God. According to some here…….. I Am God!

Angels and men are created beings. As created beings they are children in that sense. We lost our familial relationship when we, through sin, gave our allegiance to Satan. He became the father of mankind, which is why we need to be born again in order to be adopted back into the family of God.
Jesus is not a created being. He is the Creator of all things. His Sonship to His Father is as natural as your children are too you. We are not told how this came about. Nor are we told how the Godhead of Father Son and Spirit are one and how they exist together. That the Father and Son are separate personal beings there can be no doubt. But somehow they form one God. That is what scripture reveals, and I do not want to go further into speculation how that is. It is what it is. We don't have to understand it.

 

[face2face]

Do not agree with your very last statement. Christ could never be a direct human seed or human DNA of Abraham, not happening. Christ was given the created physical DNA from God's spirit as was the first Adam. They never had the inclination to sin even when they grew up in their teens. And it therefore took a lot for Adam to sin beyond being just tempted.....

It must be so Hebrews 2:17
You cant see why?

The NET is a better translation:

2:17 Therefore he had to be made like •his brothers and sisters in every respect, so that he could become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people.

Every respect = fully human from the line of Adam to which he is to represent those he would save.

To deny this you dont have a High Priest taken among men but something else.

 

[face2face]

You should put that back into the context in which you found it.

Personally I find poor arguments dilute the better arguments.

Jesus is to be the firstborn of many brethren, I think that shows our affinity to Him rather than the angels, save in reproductive capacity.

Much love!

Our affinity to Jesus is clear - we shall be like him...don't you recall Jesus was made a little lower than the angels? He now presides over them but in relation to the divine nature, yes we like Christ will behold their nature.

 

[face2face]

Angels and men are created beings. As created beings they are children in that sense. We lost our familial relationship when we, through sin, have out allegiance to Satan. He became the father of mankind, which is why we need to be born again in order to be adopted back into the family of God.
Jesus is not a created being. He is the Creator of all things. His Sonship to His Father is as natural as your children are too you. We are not told how this came about. Not are we told how the Godhead of Father Son and Spirit are one and how they exist together. That the Father and Son are separate personal beings there can be no doubt. But somehow they form one God. That is what scripture reveals, and I do not want to go further into speculation how that is. It is what it is. We don't have to understand it.

No proof text here...just baseless opinions.

 

[face2face]

I believe Jesus condemned sin in the flesh, and all that’s left is evil, and this is in the heart.

For all those wrestling over Jesus's origin and whether Jesus is God, or not, and whether he preexisted, or not, this above comment goes to the heart of his nature.

How can God condemn sin in the flesh, if Jesus did not have it within himself? If what God condemned in His Son was not in His Son, then you have a fraudulent god working to overcome the deceitfulness of sin in the flesh with a fraudulent son, if you believe Jesus was not like us in every way. Hebrews 2:17

 

[Brakelite]

No proof text here...just baseless opinions.

You want proof text? Seriously? Don't you read your Bible? You should know all those texts already seeing you argue against them.

 

[face2face]

You want proof text? Seriously?

Yes seriously!!...go off and try and find Scripture you can twist to support your claims. If they are so well known to you you wont have any issues in putting them up.

 

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Angels and men are created beings. As created beings they are children in that sense. We lost our familial relationship when we, through sin, have out allegiance to Satan. He became the father of mankind, which is why we need to be born again in order to be adopted back into the family of God.
Jesus is not a created being. He is the Creator of all things. His Sonship to His Father is as natural as your children are too you. We are not told how this came about. Not are we told how the Godhead of Father Son and Spirit are one and how they exist together. That the Father and Son are separate personal beings there can be no doubt. But somehow they form one God. That is what scripture reveals, and I do not want to go further into speculation how that is. It is what it is. We don't have to understand it.

 

[Brakelite]

Yes seriously!!...go off and try and find Scripture you can twist to support your claims. If they are so well known to you you wont have any issues in putting them up.

Sorry, Google wrote dummy, not me. Edited.

 

[BarneyFife]

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