Who were the sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6?

[tim_from_pa]

Angels can preach error?

Yep. And they became what we call demons. Lucifer was a marvelous angel that fell and he is the "father of lies"

Now, with all that said, if they are this devious, we do not know how advanced these beings are. So do you or anyone doubt they have the power to manipulate genetics to impregnate women (even if they "can't" reproduce as you say)?

Only a foolish person speaks things against angels that they do not know about, so says the scriptures.

To everyone else: Have you ever seen a poltergeist throw objects around? Do you know why they tend to find teenage girls as their agents? How about aliens doing "reproductive" experiments.

Anyone with half a brain sees that's the same MO as Genesis 6.

Deny that, and one is left open with the powers of Satan against them as they speak in ignorance.

Such a Christian, who does not know about these demons and Nephilim, will try to cast out demons in Jesus name, and utterly fail! Jesus won't help them. As a matter of fact, their own "faith" will fail, and they will fall prey to Satan at last.

I'm warning people. Don't mess with this stuff, and with Genesis 6. The occult is mighty, and if you dont' know who your enemy is, you're setting yourself up for failure and hell.

And what is hell? It is that lake of fire in the end times. It is the eternal fire that eternally extinguishes a person out of existence, just as it will Satan and his "angels" will one day.

 

[Insight]

Because Satan was the one who was using Peter to say what he said. Jesus knew who was really behind those words that Peter uttered.

But you are still doing it.......you are still avoiding addressing the scriptures that I presented.

Let me put them here to make it easy for you. I want you to respond to these scriptures below. Do not try to avoide them by asking me more questions or post some scripture.....just deal with those scriptures below. Read the entire chapter if you like if it will help you.

Hi Buzz

But Jesus turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

You say Jesus knew? But how did Jesus define Satan?

for thou sayest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

If you cannot understand this passage, how do you expect me to discuss Job & Ezekiel with you?

Go and find out the meaning of the word Satan in the Greek, and then apply it to the context of this passage. After this read the verse before and after and come back to me with exactly what Satan is in this verse.

At present you have a number of issues.

I could be dogmatic and say that Peter is actually Satan, which we both know is not true.

I could then say that your Satan is in fact a man...because of Jesus definition of why Peter was called a Satan.

You have some hurdles to jump...be interested to see if you can correctly interpret this passage.

Blessings.

Insight.

p.s Its not often we get the definite article but thankfully Jesus was teaching you here what Satan is...hopefully you have a keen eye. BTW, if we cannot come to a single understanding on this verse it's useless going to Job or Ezek.

Yep. And they became what we call demons. Lucifer was a marvelous angel that fell and he is the "father of lies"

Now, with all that said, if they are this devious, we do not know how advanced these beings are. So do you or anyone doubt they have the power to manipulate genetics to impregnate women (even if they "can't" reproduce as you say)?

Only a foolish person speaks things against angels that they do not know about, so says the scriptures.

To everyone else: Have you ever seen a poltergeist throw objects around? Do you know why they tend to find teenage girls as their agents? How about aliens doing "reproductive" experiments.

Anyone with half a brain sees that's the same MO as Genesis 6.

Deny that, and one is left open with the powers of Satan against them as they speak in ignorance.

Such a Christian, who does not know about these demons and Nephilim, will try to cast out demons in Jesus name, and utterly fail! Jesus won't help them. As a matter of fact, their own "faith" will fail, and they will fall prey to Satan at last.

I'm warning people. Don't mess with this stuff, and with Genesis 6. The occult is mighty, and if you dont' know who your enemy is, you're setting yourself up for failure and hell.

And what is hell? It is that lake of fire in the end times. It is the eternal fire that eternally extinguishes a person out of existence, just as it will Satan and his "angels" will one day.

Rot [noun] unacceptable behavior (especially ludicrously false statements)

You are as far from truth as any person I have communicated with in forums over the past 5 years.

 

[Buzzfruit]

Hi Buzz

But Jesus turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

You say Jesus knew? But how did Jesus define Satan?



If you cannot understand this passage, how do you expect me to discuss Job & Ezekiel with you?

Go and find out the meaning of the word Satan in the Greek, and then apply it to the context of this passage. After this read the verse before and after and come back to me with exactly what Satan is in this verse.

At present you have a number of issues.

I could be dogmatic and say that Peter is actually Satan, which we both know is not true.

I could then say that your Satan is in fact a man...because of Jesus definition of why Peter was called a Satan.

You have some hurdles to jump...be interested to see if you can correctly interpret this passage.

Blessings.

Insight.

p.s Its not often we get the definite article but thankfully Jesus was teaching you here what Satan is...hopefully you have a keen eye. BTW, if we cannot come to a single understanding on this verse it's useless going to Job or Ezek.



Rot [noun] unacceptable behavior (especially ludicrously false statements)

You are as far from truth as any person I have communicated with in forums over the past 5 years.

Listen, if you are not going to respond to those scriptures that I have presented I will have to stop engaging with you any ferther in any discussions, because you are not an honest person at all.

 

[Insight]

Buzz,

How can I deal with Job and Ezek when so far you have not been able to answer this one verse regarding Jesus calling Peter Satan.

I am not trying to be difficult...if we cannot agree on Mark 8:33ESV & Matt 16:23ESV I also will also not continue our conversation.

But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter and said, "Get behind me, Satan! For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man." (Mark 8:33ESV)

1. Jesus was always "setting his mind on the things of God"

2. Peter often found himself, like us, a Satan, setting our minds "on the things of man"

What is Satan in this verse?

Its very simple.

 

[Buzzfruit]

Buzz,

How can I deal with Job and Ezek when so far you have not been able to answer this one verse regarding Jesus calling Peter Satan.

I am not trying to be difficult...if we cannot agree on Mark 8:33ESV & Matt 16:23ESV I also will also not continue our conversation.

But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter and said, "Get behind me, Satan! For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man." (Mark 8:33ESV)

1. Jesus was always "setting his mind on the things of God"

2. Peter often found himself, like us, a Satan, setting our minds "on the things of man"

What is Satan in this verse?

Its very simple.

Unlike you I have already responded to that scripture several post back(post #59). And besides, the scriptures that I presented to you I did before you ask me about that scripture.

 

[Insight]

Unlike you I have already responded to that scripture several post back(post #59). And besides, the scriptures that I presented to you I did before you ask me about that scripture.

Ok Buzz

Here is the interpretation:

You will see in Matt 16:21 the Lord's mind was very heavy with thoughts of his crucifixtion, which he must needs suffer. Of course Peter being the protector sought to relieve the Lord of such "thinking" in Matt 16:22.

Jesus was already in a delicate state and the record suggests he was extremely low in himself. Jesus' response in Matt 16:23 revealed Peter to be an "adversary" (satan in the Greek) as he was speaking from his carnal mind styled the thinking of the flesh in Rom 8:7.

Buzz, if you are willing to consider the context of the passage, the original language and how its applied; many such passages like these will come to life.

Otherwise, like many Christians they draw to conclusions, which are after the imaginations of the flesh and not the Spirit. Rom 1:21

Like I said, if you cannot see this truth there is no point in moving into Job & Ezek.

If you cannot see how Jesus qualified the nature of Satan and its origin here in Matt 16:23 ???

Satan = thinking of man i.e carnal, animal, fleshly etc...then how can you understand Job & Ezek?

Acknowledge this truth and we can press onto Job.

 

[Buzzfruit]

Ok Buzz

Here is the interpretation:

You will see in Matt 16:21 the Lord's mind was very heavy with thoughts of his crucifixtion, which he must needs suffer. Of course Peter being the protector sought to relieve the Lord of such "thinking" in Matt 16:22.

Jesus was already in a delicate state and the record suggests he was extremely low in himself. Jesus' response in Matt 16:23 revealed Peter to be an "adversary" (satan in the Greek) as he was speaking from his carnal mind styled the thinking of the flesh in Rom 8:7.

Buzz, if you are willing to consider the context of the passage, the original language and how its applied; many such passages like these will come to life.

Otherwise, like many Christians they draw to conclusions, which are after the imaginations of the flesh and not the Spirit. Rom 1:21

Like I said, if you cannot see this truth there is no point in moving into Job & Ezek.

If you cannot see how Jesus qualified the nature of Satan and its origin here in Matt 16:23 ???

Satan = thinking of man i.e carnal, animal, fleshly etc...then how can you understand Job & Ezek?

Acknowledge this truth and we can press onto Job.

And since you refuse to answer those scriptures from here on end I will cease all discussions with you.

 

[Insight]

And since you refuse to answer those scriptures from here on end I will cease all discussions with you.

Buzz,

Is your statement true?

Have I refused to answer? I placed a condition on moving forward that you so far are reluctant to address. Some reading this may ask why?

Jesus used the Greek word satan (adversary) in Matt 16:23ESV to describe Peters actions as one who is using the thinking of the flesh and not the thinking of God.

But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter and said, "Get behind me, Satan! For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man."

Things of men = satan

Agree or Disagree?

Either way the decision rests with you...answer and we move to Job!

Insight

 

[tim_from_pa]

Rot [noun] unacceptable behavior (especially ludicrously false statements)

You are as far from truth as any person I have communicated with in forums over the past 5 years.

Of course you believe that because you just can't see that the angels in Genesis 6 did what they did. There's no point to continue with this idea as far as you are concerned.

I don't think any serious and sensible Christian would call my statements about messing with the occult "rot". You set yourself up for Satanic attacks if you don't know the power of demons or who they are.

So, for the record of everyone here, I take your statement as meaning you'll endorse the occult.

 

[Insight]

Of course you believe that because you just can't see that the angels in Genesis 6 did what they did. There's no point to continue with this idea as far as you are concerned. I don't think any serious and sensible Christian would call my statements about messing with the occult "rot". You set yourself up for Satanic attacks if you don't know the power of demons or who they are. So, for the record of everyone here, I take your statement as meaning you'll endorse the occult.

Let it go tim...and immerse your mind into the Word and not dark sayings.

 

[Insight]

Buzz, Is your statement true? Have I refused to answer? I placed a condition on moving forward that you so far are reluctant to address. Some reading this may ask why? Jesus used the Greek word satan (adversary) in Matt 16:23ESV to describe Peters actions as one who is using the thinking of the flesh and not the thinking of God. But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter and said, "Get behind me, Satan! For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man." Things of men = satan Agree or Disagree? Either way the decision rests with you...answer and we move to Job! Insight

Waiting...

 

[tim_from_pa]

Let it go tim...and immerse your mind into the Word and not dark sayings.

I do. And many people have been quoting scripture to you, as well.

JFYI: This site originally took the angelic stance of Genesis 6, at least the original people that were here. But I see you want debate and that's why you are here since you are agreeing with nobody. I can't imagine why you're here otherwise in such an environment contrary to what you believe. Heck, I'm starting to think you're a troll but that's just my opinion, not to take it personally. I just don't understand why you'd want to hang out in an environment you are against.

 

[Insight]

I do. And many people have been quoting scripture to you, as well. JFYI: This site originally took the angelic stance of Genesis 6, at least the original people that were here. But I see you want debate and that's why you are here since you are agreeing with nobody. I can't imagine why you're here otherwise in such an environment contrary to what you believe. Heck, I'm starting to think you're a troll but that's just my opinion, not to take it personally. I just don't understand why you'd want to hang out in an environment you are against.

Tim,

It's about sounding a truth which at present you know not concerning Gen 6.

I provided Scripturual evidence of the Bible use of "sons of God" to infer God's children on earth.

Have you dealt with any of these references?

No!

You prefer to hold onto dark sayings because these do something for you that truth cannot. They excite your imaginary senses and are very pleasing to the flesh.

It's ok Tim you are not alone.

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Tim,

When God looked upon the earth and made this statement in Gen 6:5 His comments were not of Angels BUT men.

"That the wickedness of man was great in the earth"

The Hebrew ra'ah is from the root signifying "to break in pieces, to destroy, afflict", and relates to people who break in pieces the established order of things, these earthly men and woman were confounding and destroying what was right, and afflicted themselves by so doing.

It is frequently used for moral depravity and lewdness something which is found in man, and not Angels.

You need to understand the Angelic Host, their purpose, to appreciate Gods viewpoint here in Gen 6:5.

 

[tim_from_pa]

Tim,

It's about sounding a truth which at present you know not concerning Gen 6.

I provided Scripturual evidence of the Bible use of "sons of God" to infer God's children on earth.

Have you dealt with any of these references?

No!

You prefer to hold onto dark sayings because these do something for you that truth cannot. They excite your imaginary senses and are very pleasing to the flesh.

It's ok Tim you are not alone.

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Tim,

When God looked upon the earth and made this statement in Gen 6:5 His comments were not of Angels BUT men.

"That the wickedness of man was great in the earth"

The Hebrew ra'ah is from the root signifying "to break in pieces, to destroy, afflict", and relates to people who break in pieces the established order of things, these earthly men and woman were confounding and destroying what was right, and afflicted themselves by so doing.

It is frequently used for moral depravity and lewdness something which is found in man, and not Angels.

You need to understand the Angelic Host, their purpose, to appreciate Gods viewpoint here in Gen 6:5.

One question. In the past, have you ever believed in the angelic theory? Or did you always believe as you do?

 

[Insight]

Never, 17 years ago I decided to study the Word without any preconceived ideas. I chose not to consult church fathers or experts; I desired to understand the "language of God". The Spirit has a diverse and unique way of presenting thoughts and principles and once you understand these basic truths you are better equip to find the one truth.

Here is an example:

The phrase "sons of God" for instance is one used elsewhere.

"son of God" even Yahweh's "firstborn" (Exod.4:22-23; Deut. 14:1; Hos. 1:10; Isa. 43:6-7) and He is their Father (Psa. 103:13; Isa. 63:16; 64:8; Mal. 1:6). The same relationship subsists today between those who embrace the Truth in Christ and the Father in heaven (1 John 3:1-2). The sons of God in antediluvian times, therefore, constituted the seed of the woman, being mortal believers. Sadly they came in unto the seed of the serpent (fleshly minded) and took on the idolatrous ways.

If this is true and you believe so?

Why would God introduce something totally foreign to his message, which is not spoken of "anywhere" else in Scripture?

The truth is, He wouldn't and He doesn’t.

Gen 6 is the conclusion of two families in the earth (Cain & Seth) who unfortunately came together and mingled to their hurt.

God saw the seed of the woman was in risk of perishing and He acted to preserve the promised seed (Christ) who would come from Seth, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Israel, Judah...

Insight.

 

[martinlawrencescott]

Hey Insight,

Do you define a difference between carnal/physical nature and sinful nature? Or for clarity, how do you separate our inclination towards hunger, thirst, sexual desire, etc. from sinfulness?

 

[Insight]

Hey Insight, Do you define a difference between carnal/physical nature and sinful nature? Or for clarity, how do you separate our inclination towards hunger, thirst, sexual desire, etc. from sinfulness?

Good question.

Jesus hungered and this was not considered sinful, no doubt he ate after his temptation Matt 4:2, but over eating is a sin! Rom 16:18.

Paul describes our inclinations; attributing them to the mind of the flesh and its physical substance in Rom 6:12 "Let not sin, therefore, reign in your mortal (fleshly) body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof".

In the flesh are found propensities that if activated through lust of the flesh, i.e. lust of the eye and the pride of life are considered sin. 1 John 2:16.

For they that are (live) after the flesh do "mind" the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally (minded i.e animal = serpent) minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal (animal) mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now, if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. . .

In terms of separating between the mind of the serpent (flesh) and the mind of the Spirit we can only rely on the word which dwells in us.

Every person is in possession of both modes of thinking; of course it’s between these two minds which God placed enmity Gen 3:15.

Which leads us beautifully to Gen 6 because the Sons of God and the daughters of men allowed sin to reign (like a king) in their mortal bodies.

It’s a matter of conscience. Heb 4:12 or lack thereof 1 Tim 4:2

Insight

 

[veteran]

Never, 17 years ago I decided to study the Word without any preconceived ideas. I chose not to consult church fathers or experts; I desired to understand the "language of God". The Spirit has a diverse and unique way of presenting thoughts and principles and once you understand these basic truths you are better equip to find the one truth.

Here is an example:

The phrase "sons of God" for instance is one used elsewhere.

"son of God" even Yahweh's "firstborn" (Exod.4:22-23; Deut. 14:1; Hos. 1:10; Isa. 43:6-7) and He is their Father (Psa. 103:13; Isa. 63:16; 64:8; Mal. 1:6). The same relationship subsists today between those who embrace the Truth in Christ and the Father in heaven (1 John 3:1-2). The sons of God in antediluvian times, therefore, constituted the seed of the woman, being mortal believers. Sadly they came in unto the seed of the serpent (fleshly minded) and took on the idolatrous ways.

If this is true and you believe so?

Why would God introduce something totally foreign to his message, which is not spoken of "anywhere" else in Scripture?

The truth is, He wouldn't and He doesn’t.

Gen 6 is the conclusion of two families in the earth (Cain & Seth) who unfortunately came together and mingled to their hurt.

God saw the seed of the woman was in risk of perishing and He acted to preserve the promised seed (Christ) who would come from Seth, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Israel, Judah...

Insight.

That's just the biggest load of malarky, probably one of the biggest bunches of baloney I've read here in a long time!

For those interested in the real Truth in God's Word about the "sons of God" meaning, there's ample evidence that it IS ULTIMATELY POINTING TO THE ANGELIC STATE...

I Jn 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
(KJV)

Now those who have believed on Christ Jesus are known as "sons of God", but it does not yet appear what we shall be? And when Christ does appear again, we shall be like Him, and see Him as He really is? Just WHAT KIND OF BODY is that when we shall be like Him, and see Him as He is? That is about the FUTURE CHANGE AT THE RESURRECTION.

We are NOW only CALLED "sons of God" to point to that FUTURE REDEMPTION! It is not a label connected with our flesh body state today, but our FUTURE RESURRECTION state!

Just WHAT FUTURE STATE IS THAT? Our Lord Jesus told us right here...

Matt 22:30
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
(KJV)

Those of the Resurrection are as the angels of God in heaven! Did anyone miss that besides Mr. Insight? That future state is what the "sons of God" label for Christ's servants represents, our FUTURE REDEMPTION BY CHRIST, not some imperfect flesh state like this present world!


More Biblical proof, this time from Apostle Paul...

Rom 8:18-19
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
(KJV)

If WE in Christ Jesus are ALREADY "sons of God" today, then WHY did Paul say such a thing as that above about even God's creation ("creature" per the Greek) waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God? It's because for those in Christ Jesus, that "sons of God" label is about the promised future Resurrection state, not our flesh state of today! There's a major difference, because as of right now, we only have the Promise of that future redemption. It has NOT come yet today. But when it does, THAT is when that "sons of God" label will manifest IN FULL PER CHRIST'S KINGDOM!


Have any of you been "glorified" with Christ yet today brethren, to a glorified body like our Lord's? What part of you is that about that's glorified with Christ? Paul reveals it...

Rom 8:14-17
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together.
(KJV)

The Holy Spirit working is towards our 'spirit', not to our flesh bodies. It's our spirit by the Spirit of adoption that cries "Abba, Father", not our flesh!

Those above Scriptures are about the application of the "sons of God" label to the future redemption at Christ's second coming, when those yet alive on earth will be changed at the twinkling of an eye to their "spiritual body" per 1 Cor.15. It's the state Jesus said the resurrection is, "as the angels of God in heaven"!

So, the "sons of God" phrase IS ABOUT THE ANGELIC STATE AFTERALL? Yes, it is, as written in God's Word!

But what's the DIFFERENCE with those "sons of God" back in Job and Genesis 6???

Job 38:4-7
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
(KJV)

That reference to the "sons of God" right there in Job 38 CANNOT APPLY TO ANY MAN IN THE FLESH. It's about the angels that were with God when He first laid the foundations of the earth. That is yet ANOTHER BIBLICAL PROOF that the "sons of God" phrase is indeed about the angelic state!

Those Scriptures prove Insight is wrong when he tries to declare the "sons of God" phrase to mean 'flesh men'! He has obviously been listening to another spirit, and not to The Holy Spirit within God's Word.

 

[Insight]

That's just the biggest load of malarky, probably one of the biggest bunches of baloney I've read here in a long time! For those interested in the real Truth in God's Word about the "sons of God" meaning, there's ample evidence that it IS ULTIMATELY POINTING TO THE ANGELIC STATE... I Jn 3:2 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is. (KJV) Now those who have believed on Christ Jesus are known as "sons of God", but it does not yet appear what we shall be? And when Christ does appear again, we shall be like Him, and see Him as He really is? Just WHAT KIND OF BODY is that when we shall be like Him, and see Him as He is? That is about the FUTURE CHANGE AT THE RESURRECTION. We are NOW only CALLED "sons of God" to point to that FUTURE REDEMPTION! It is not a label connected with our flesh body state today, but our FUTURE RESURRECTION state! Just WHAT FUTURE STATE IS THAT? Our Lord Jesus told us right here... Matt 22:30 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. (KJV) Those of the Resurrection are as the angels of God in heaven! Did anyone miss that besides Mr. Insight? That future state is what the "sons of God" label for Christ's servants represents, our FUTURE REDEMPTION BY CHRIST, not some imperfect flesh state like this present world! More Biblical proof, this time from Apostle Paul... Rom 8:18-19 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. (KJV) If WE in Christ Jesus are ALREADY "sons of God" today, then WHY did Paul say such a thing as that above about even God's creation ("creature" per the Greek) waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God? It's because for those in Christ Jesus, that "sons of God" label is about the promised future Resurrection state, not our flesh state of today! There's a major difference, because as of right now, we only have the Promise of that future redemption. It has NOT come yet today. But when it does, THAT is when that "sons of God" label will manifest IN FULL PER CHRIST'S KINGDOM! Have any of you been "glorified" with Christ yet today brethren, to a glorified body like our Lord's? What part of you is that about that's glorified with Christ? Paul reveals it... Rom 8:14-17 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together. (KJV) The Holy Spirit working is towards our 'spirit', not to our flesh bodies. It's our spirit by the Spirit of adoption that cries "Abba, Father", not our flesh! Those above Scriptures are about the application of the "sons of God" label to the future redemption at Christ's second coming, when those yet alive on earth will be changed at the twinkling of an eye to their "spiritual body" per 1 Cor.15. It's the state Jesus said the resurrection is, "as the angels of God in heaven"! So, the "sons of God" phrase IS ABOUT THE ANGELIC STATE AFTERALL? Yes, it is, as written in God's Word! But what's the DIFFERENCE with those "sons of God" back in Job and Genesis 6??? Job 38:4-7 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (KJV) That reference to the "sons of God" right there in Job 38 CANNOT APPLY TO ANY MAN IN THE FLESH. It's about the angels that were with God when He first laid the foundations of the earth. That is yet ANOTHER BIBLICAL PROOF that the "sons of God" phrase is indeed about the angelic state! Those Scriptures prove Insight is wrong when he tries to declare the "sons of God" phrase to mean 'flesh men'! He has obviously been listening to another spirit, and not to The Holy Spirit within God's Word.

Veteran,

All your preamble did was prove that the phrase "son of God" is used of men and women who are held in a priveldge position (convenenat relationship). It is clear that you desire to squeeze your fallen angel doctrine into Gen 6, which by the way is not mentioned below, at all!!!

Genesis 6
[sup]1[/sup]And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
[sup]2[/sup]That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[sup]3[/sup]And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
[sup]4[/sup]There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
[sup]5[/sup]And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
[sup]6[/sup]And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
[sup]7[/sup]And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
[sup]8[/sup]But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
[sup]9[/sup]These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
[sup]10[/sup]And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
[sup]11[/sup]The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
[sup]12[/sup]And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
[sup]13[/sup]And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
[sup]14[/sup]Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
[sup]15[/sup]And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
[sup]16[/sup]A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.
[sup]17[/sup]And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
[sup]18[/sup]But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
[sup]19[/sup]And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
[sup]20[/sup]Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
[sup]21[/sup]And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.
[sup]22[/sup]Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

Not one mention of Angels...not even inferred!

Fourteen references to man, flesh & children.

Veteran, my doctrine is very safe from your flawed understanding and very dark sayings.

Fancy quoting Job 38:4-7 which is about the Heavenly work of creation; only to have the audacity to make an ignorant jump of logic back to Gen 6 which is speaking to Gods view of Mankind and their sinfulness

Pray, read, study and meditate and come to know truth..not lies.

Insight

 

[veteran]

Veteran,

All your preamble did was prove that the phrase "son of God" is used of men and women who are held in a priveldge position (convenenat relationship). It is clear that you desire to squeeze your fallen angel doctrine into Gen 6, which by the way is not mentioned below, at all!!!
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Insight

No actually, the "sons of God" phrase used in The New Testament Books is about the Redemption of our body at Christ's second coming, and that future Resurrection state is like my Lord Jesus Christ said, "as the angels of God in heaven".

That totally disproves your false assumptions that the "sons of God" phrase is about the flesh.


More on this for those with ears to hear...

Paul's declaration of those in Christ now becoming "a new creature" (creation) per 2 Cor.5:17 is about the Promised Redemption by Christ Jesus AT HIS FUTURE COMING. That 'new creature' idea, and our spirit being born again by The Spirit, and now being called "sons of God" are all related. Like our Lord Jesus showed in John 3, that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. They are two separate and distinct operations.

The "sons of God" label is for those in Christ now, and it is about being 'born again' by The Spirit, thus becoming "a new creature" (creation). But a new creation of what part of us? The part of us that dwells INSIDE our flesh body today. The part of us which our Lord Jesus pointed to in Luke 17:21 when He said, "the kingdom of God is within you," meaning dwelling 'inside' our flesh body by our 'spirit' being born of The Holy Spirit.

I'd venture to say that those like Insight refuse to believe that we will no longer have literal flesh bodies in the Resurrection, but a "spiritual body", the "image of the heavenly" which Paul taught the resurrection body is per 1 Cor.15.

Doctrines of the orthodox Jews have a difficult time understanding this, even as Christ tried to show them in that Luke 17 Scripture and elsewhere. Many of their doctrines totally depend upon the flesh state existence, and not the future state of the resurrection with a "spiritual body". This is most likely why Insight refuses to recognize that "sons of God" phrases as applied in The New Testament Books involving the future redemption of our bodies at the resurrection when Christ returns to this earth.