Kermos
Well-Known Member
Appeal to Ignorance. You are using what Jesus did NOT say - the absence of evidence as evidence.
“I am” is not an identification of deity nor what God actually said to Moses. That you have to refer to such weak references to violate the Sh’ma, 1C and explicit text that only the Father is God, shows how weak the support is for the man-is-god thesis.
So, you thunk Jesus' sayings are "weak references" which is a foolish thing for you to think. No Christian calls the Christ's sayings "weak references"!
You do not receive Jesus' sayings of "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58) and "I am with you always, even to the end of the age" (Matthew 28:20) - both quoted below and referred to, by you, as "weak references"!
Jesus says I AM, and He did not say "I was created".
So, one week before Abraham was born Jesus' words of I AM ring true.
And, two weeks before Abraham was born Jesus' words of I AM resound true.
And, three weeks before Abraham was born Jesus' words of I AM are true.
And, the minute prior to the minute any of all the angels were created Jesus' words of I AM trumpet true.
And, the week prior to any of the angels being created Jesus' words of I AM harmonize truthfully.
No matter when in time one seeks before Abraham was born, Jesus Christ's words of I AM remain absolutely true.
Going back in time, Jesus is always I AM, never created, He is always I AM.
Going back in time, anytime in all eternity because Jesus says "before Abraham" with no exceptions, Jesus Being.
Behold, Going back in time, Jesus Being.
JESUS IS EVERLASTING going back in time.
Jesus says "I am with you always, even to the end of the age" (Matthew 28:20).
The angel Gabriel declared to Mary about Jesus "He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end" (Luke 1:33).
Behold, Going forward in time, Jesus Being.
JESUS IS EVERLASTING going forward in time.
GOD is exclusively the One that IS EVERLASTING going back in time and going forward in time.
God is everlasting.
Jesus is everlasting.
No one except God is everlasting.
Everlasting YHWH God is Lord Jesus Christ for He declares "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58).
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." (Revelation 1:8, see also Revelation 21:6 and Revelation 22:13), thus says He Who is coming on the clouds!
"I am YHWH, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God" (Isaiah 45:5).
"Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me" (Isaiah 43:10).
Jesus Christ is truly Man (Luke 1:26-33) - the Son of Man, and Jesus Christ is truly God (Luke 1:34-35, John 8:58, John 20:28, John 5:18, John 10:30-31) - the Son of God.
All people that think Jesus Christ was created hold to news that is not the Good News (Gospel) of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:6-7), so such people have no gospel at all.
Since you do not receive Jesus' sayings of "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58) and "I am with you always, even to the end of the age" (Matthew 28:20), both quoted above which you referred to as "weak references", then you reject Jesus' declaration that He is YHWH God; therefore, Jesus' following sayings apply to you:
"He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48)
And "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins” (John 8:24), yet you do not believe that Jesus is I AM before Abraham was born!
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