Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John

[Bible Highlighter]

The Sabbath is not a ceremonial or ritual law. Ceremonial and ritual laws were things like the incense burning, leaf sheaf waving, ritual cleansings, food and animal offerings, etc. There isn't a single NT writer that ever referred to the Sabbath being a ceremonial or ritual law, and you won't find a passage that honestly supports this false theology.

Hebrews gives a very good outline on all the things that were temporary, and the Sabbath clearly wasn't listed among them. No matter how dishonest people twist Paul's words in Hebrews, they can't make their false theology true. The Sabbath was created and codified in stone by the very hand of the Creator, and it was declared by the same Creator as being a permanent obligation for the people who are truly under covenant with Him. That is the truth.

When Paul talks about Gentiles instinctively doing what God's commandments require of them in Rom. 2:14, he was clearly referring to the last 6 commandments. Gentiles have no knowledge of God, and therefore cannot be expected to know anything about the true God or how He expects to be worshiped or loved. They can however, know that their parents should be respected, that they should not commit adultery, lie, murder, steal, or covet things that don't belong to them.

Not true. The Sabbath is a ceremonial law because it is primarily ceremony or ritual based in the fact that you observe a particular day (Saturday) to rest, and its not instinctual in knowing to do good (Romans 2:14). There is nothing hardwired into men that says that not keeping the Saturday Sabbath is wrong. We are not like certain birds who are hardwired to migrate to a certain area year after year (flying half way around the planet).

Colossians 2:16 says that we are not let anyone judge us on whether or not we keep the Sabbaths or not. Meaning, the Saturday Sabbath is no longer binding anymore.

This is why you will see no Saturday Sabbath Commands from Jesus and His followers in the pages of the New Testament, and you will see no list of Sabbath Day breaking sins listed alongside sins like murder, coveting, drunkenness, idolatry, etcetera.

So you are in your own universe in wanting to keep the Old Law. That’s all I have to say on the topic (Titus 3:9).
You can keep arguing Sabbath this and Sabbath that. I am not really interested in striving over matters of the Old Law.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Another false statement from someone who calls himself "Bible Highlighter". How can the first epistle of John be about initial salvation when John is writing to the saints -- "brethren" and "little children" who are to be in fellowship with God?

I don’t believe 1 John 1:9 is talking about Initial Salvation. I am saying there are those in your camp who believe that way to undo what it says. The question is: How do you view 1 John 1:9? Do you honestly believe 1 John 1:9 in that it says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins? I believe that verse in what it says plainly. But most in the sin and still be saved camp do not believe 1 John 1:9 because they believe all future sin is forgiven them (giving themselves a license to sin).

 

[Jim B]

I thought you'd say that as well. It's OK, I know why you are responding to me as you are, and why you write the things about me you do. You revel in debating here don't you. Im sorry for hurting you with the truths I have set out. Why don't we leave it there, I don't want to upset you anymore

Then you're free to leave, as you have said you would.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Then you're free to leave, as you have said you would.

yes, and I told you when that was likely to happen

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56
The power in grace is knowing you have no righteousness of obeying the law. The Holy Spirit can only grow in your life, and help you fully as you accept the truth

What is the "truth" that sets us free? Is it about freedom from the law, or what?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

1John3:5-9 & Paul believing the coirinthians were the church of God. And, in Paul's first letter to them he believed they had the Holy Spirit. Your rigid quoting of the letter brings you into contradiction with other scripture

What other scriptures? Maybe some in the OP that are not Christians?

 

[savedbygrace1]

What is the "truth" that sets us free? Is it about freedom from the law, or what?

Why dont you find some else to chat with, we had a long debate

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Thank you for your welcome. I would suggest our discussion has run its course. I hope you find others to chat to

No, far from it.

 

[Taken]

Now please answer my question. How can a person be a christian if they have not been born again?

Christianity is NOT the ACT of being MADE Born again.
Being a Christian does not MEAN Born Again.

Taken your question should be about willful, knowingly sinning. Does any Christian go against their conscience? That is not of faith, and a sin.

What is the difference between willful and unwillful sin?

 

[savedbygrace1]

No, far from it.

Have a chat to Jason/bible highlighter, he'd love it

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Why dont you find some else to chat with, we had a long debate

I'm not leaving you with the very limited knowledge you have. If the truth scares you then put me on ignore.

 

[Taken]

For christians it is the law written in their minds and placed on their hearts

And what is that law?

 

[savedbygrace1]

I'm not leaving you with the very limited knowledge you have. If the truth scares you then put me on ignore.

stop bear baiting.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Lets find out if you are.

Explain why "God who keeps you saved, with the Cross of Christ, always keeps you saved, no matter how you behave, once you are born again"

Or, if that is too hard for you to understand...
Then just explain this verse.., and then i'll be able to find out from your own words, if you are among the FAKIRS on this Forum.

Philippians 1:6

First, fakirs is a Muslim term. Not sure why you would use that.

Second, in Luke 15: When the prodigal son came home and sought forgiveness with his father, his father said that he was “dead” and he is “alive again.” This of course was speaking in spiritual terms. For the son did not die physically. The son was dead spiritually when he was living it up with prostitutes. But when he came back home and sought forgiveness of his sins, he was alive again spiritually. This same truth is taught in James 5:19-20.

Three, Philippians 1:6 should not be isolated from reading the rest of the Bible. Philippians 2:12 says work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Also, how do you know Jesus did a good work in you and is continuing to do so? What do you make of 1 John 3:7-10? What about Romans 6:1-2? These passage don’t seem to make a whole lot of sense with your view of sin and salvation.

 

[savedbygrace1]

And what is that law?

Anything that would make you conscious of sin if you did it would be law written in your mind and placed on your heart

 

[1stCenturyLady]

What is the difference between willful and unwillful sin?

When you know something to be sin, and your conscience is screaming at you to not do it, and you willfully do it anyway - that is willful sin. You KNOW better.

When you do something that your conscience tells you is okay, even if it is not, that is unintentional sin (not unwillful sin). Interestingly, God does not hold it against you to sin unintentionally. Just as long as you are living up the light you have been already given. This is the huge difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. My yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[savedbygrace1]

When you do something that your conscience tells you is okay, even if it is not, that is unintentional sin

If the law is in your most inward parts, how can you commit sin and your conscience tells you it is ok to do it?
You got a get out of jail free card there

 

[Taken]

Anything that would make you conscious of sin if you did it would be law written in your mind and placed on your heart

My Sin WAS against God.
Not EVER AGAIN do I stand against God with my mind, soul, or heart.

So do not know what laws or sins you are talking about.

 

[savedbygrace1]

My Sin WAS against God.
Not EVER AGAIN do I stand against God with my mind, soul, or heart.

So do not know what laws or sins you are talking about.

I cant give you an exhaustive list of law placed within you, sorry

 

[Taken]

When you know something to be sin, and your conscience is screaming at you to not do it, and you willfully do it anyway - that is willful sin. You KNOW better.

When you do something that your conscience tells you is okay, even if it is not, that is unintentional sin (not unwillful sin). Interestingly, God does not hold it against you to sin unintentionally. Just as long as you are living up the light you have been already given. This is the huge difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. My yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

So are you saying behaviors between people are SINS?