Your problem, not mine
J.
I'd say if you need that sermon, then it IS your problem, not mine.
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Your problem, not mine
J.
Why argue against having "passed from death to life" as the scriptures say, when only one without understanding would do such a thing?
@Taken I've kind of lost the he said, she said aspect of this thread.....The INTENT is that you would Actually UNDERSTAND what you read.
NOT ONCE did I say that, so WHY be dishonest?
My point is we all start out in the same place whether or not we become believers. Under Gods wrath and enemies of God.You put the emphases in the wrong places.
Romans 5:10, "For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!"
Ephesians 2:1-9, "As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. [it doesn't end here!] But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, even though we were dead in offenses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you are saved!— and he raised us up together with him and seated us together with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, to demonstrate in the coming ages the surpassing wealth of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast. For we are his creative work, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we can do them."
Your selection of Scripture clearly shows your self-righteous, condemnatory attitude! How can you distort what The Bible says to such a degree??? What is the matter with you???
@Christophany Yes, the message of the Gospel is a great leveller, in that sense.......My point is we all start out in the same place whether or not we become believers. Under Gods wrath and enemies of God.
Why argue against having "passed from death to life" as the scriptures say, when only one without understanding would do such a thing?
You do as you admit, but I stopped decades ago, and my heart melted long ago as God prophesied to me on day one that it would. I've told you that but you act just like the devil and keep up the accusations. If you considered me a sister in Christ you wouldn't do that nonsense, but your fruit is bad, so I guess you are not my brother as your abuse declares loud and clear.
sbg, I hear God's voice and I can ask him questions and He immediately answers. That is how my personal relationship with Him has been established. With Enoch, God walked with him. With me, He tells me mysteries when I ask the questions He places in my heart to ask, and those mysteries are what my books are about.
That whole part of my life was one of those mysteries that I only thought about recently, and as I have already told you, when I asked Him about it, He said "because it was unintentional." Something I learned today as I prayed on the way home from church was about our conscience. It is our heart, but are all His laws written there and known day one? God clarified that it is born again of the Spirit, but on day one the fruit of the Spirit are planted, and still have to grow to maturity. Immature fruit causes those sins, but God prunes those branches to produce more fruit. But limbs that don't bear fruit at all and are nasty and full of bugs He lops off. Beware.
Our spirit is also born again and full of righteousness. We cannot rebel against God. So my sin was an immature fruit of the Spirit. But it was not in rebellion against God. In other words, it was not a sin of lawlessness which have already been dead from day one.
I hope you take the warning God has give you through me.
God bless,
1stCL
My point is we all start out in the same place whether or not we become believers. Under Gods wrath and enemies of God.
I agree and if you notice I emphasize Gods love 90% of the timeAnd..? We also all start out by crawling before we walk. God has given us all a path to righteousness through His Son. Why dwell on the negative when there is so much to rejoice about? God loves the world so much...
Notice that Peter says "knowledge" of Christ, meaning they are not actually saved, but have only become aware of what can be gained or lost, yet they have not yet attained it.What I don't understand is why anyone who has passed from death to life would willfully sin continually like a dog going back to his own vomit. Do you believe that person can lose their place in heaven, and spend their eternal life in hell? Why else does Peter say, 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
JW's don't as far as I know. They worship the Father as the One God.
You said:They are not like the RCC and Orthodox who worship Mary, but say they don't. Jesus calls that idol of theirs, Jezebel. Rev. 2
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
The only way to avoid them is to put them on ignore.
J.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,.... Since grace reigns in you, sin should not: seeing ye are dead to sin, are baptized into the death of Christ, and are dead with him, and alive through him, sin therefore should not reign in you, and over you.
This exhortation does not suppose a freewill power in man naturally, for this is spoken to persons, who had the Spirit and grace of Christ, and in whom God had wrought both to will and to do of his good pleasure; nor is this exhortation unnecessary to believers, though they are dead to sin, and though God has promised it shall not have the dominion over them, and though reigning sin, as divines say, cannot be in regenerate persons; for though they are entirely dead to sin as justified persons, yet not perfectly so as sanctified: they are indeed dead to sin, but sin is not dead in them; it struggles, it makes war, leads captive, and threatens absolute and universal dominion, wherefore such an exhortation is necessary;
besides, though God has promised that sin shall not have the dominion, yet making use of means, such as prayer to God that it may not, striving against it, opposing it, in order to hinder its dominion, are no ways inconsistent with the promise of God, whose promises often have their accomplishment in the use of means:
moreover, whereas some divines say, that reigning sin may be and others that it cannot be in regenerate persons, it should be observed, that if by reigning sin is meant,...
sinning against God out of malice and contempt, with the whole heart, without any struggle against it, or repentance for it, or so as to lose the grace of God, and never rise more, then it must be said that it cannot be in a regenerate man;
but if by it is meant, falling into sin against their consciences, knowingly and willingly, so as to distress their minds, lose their peace, and grieve the Spirit of God, so as to be held under it, and be led captive by it, such power sin may have in them, and over them; and therefore the exhortation is not needless; and when the apostle says, let it not reign "in your mortal body",
by it is either meant the whole man, or rather the body only, which is the instrument of sinning, and is become mortal through sin; and being so, is a reason why it should not reign in it, since it has done so much mischief to it already: and this also denotes the time of sin's being in us, and of the danger of its reigning in us; it is only whilst we are in this mortal body; and the consideration of our mortality should quicken us to war against sin,
and be careful not to
obey it in the lusts thereof; the lusts of the body, or flesh, which are therefore sometimes called fleshly lusts, are many, and have great power and influence; and may be said to be obeyed, when provision is made to fulfil them, when these are the business of a man's life, and the whole of his conversation is taken up in them, without struggle against them, or opposition to them; and heroin lies the reign of sin.
Gill
Another sinless one
J.
No.
Because I observe and do these things:
Matthew 16:24
Proverbs 10:12
Romans 6:12
Romans 13:8
Romans 13:9
Romans 13:10
Galatians 5:16
Galatians 5:24
Philippians 3:8
1 Peter 4:1
Not one capable person makes it through a day without sinning
My question was;
You have heard, seen people saying they are without sin on this forum?
Can you quote them?
Your response to my question does not quote one person saying they are without sin.
In the flesh, yes.
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)
You are walking after the lust of the flesh.
Beware:
“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13)
“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.” (Galatians 6:8)
Sinless Perfectionism is a doctrine like that. In short, it holds that it is possible for Christians to completely defeat sin in the present life and to live holy lives like Jesus did.
However, the Bible also says that ‘If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us’ (1 John 1:8).
That is why sinless perfectionism is not only untrue but also dangerous.
You have just redefined scripture.Jesus thought so too:
“…sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:14)
“…go, and sin no more.” (John 8:11)
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do…” (John 14:12)
This pertains to those who have NOT believed on Christ, for the scripture goes on to say:
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
“…and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9)
How dangerous is sin-perfectionism?
That is contrary to Scripture when it commands believers to be and do just the opposite.There you have it sir, we all do. Not one capable person makes it through a day without sinning, at least as far as I know. Well at least there are two of us by our own admission anyway.