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Matthias

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eph 4:5 one faith!

What is that one faith?

You - the faith expressed in the Athanasian Creed, and no doubt other creeds common to Roman Catholicism as well.

Me - The faith of, and in, Jesus of Nazareth - a Jew (unitarian), not a Roman Catholic (trinitarian).
 
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Yes, but not Roman Catholic.

yes it is Cos Christ and his church conquered the pagan Roman Empire

Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.


Christ the king!

The king of kings!

Christ is King of Glory!

Kingdom established by God!
Isa 2:2
Dan 2: 44
Micah 4:1

One, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic! And all nations and all people shall flow into it! All must submit and obey the king of glory!

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Gal 4: 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

(Holy mother church)

Christ replaced David as king Lk 1:32-33
The church replaced Israel Matt 21:43
The new covenant replaced the mosaic

only one covenant and on mediator now
 

theefaith

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Lie, lie, lie! The new covenant is an agreement between God and humanity. It has nothing to do with Catholicism.
The church is the body of Christ. Catholic is a denomination.
The kingdom is that of God and Christ. It has nothing to do with the Catholic denomination.

As I have said a thousand times, "Catholic" is not in the Bible. It is a denomination invented by men to justify false doctrine.

Jesus Christ is the founder!
 

theefaith

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We agree! Truth is immutable. The church is irreformable (if you even understand what that means). The church is the body of Christ, not the Catholic denomination (which has sought to alter the body of Christ).
How?
 

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yes it is Cos Christ and his church conquered the pagan Roman Empire

Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.


Christ the king!

The king of kings!

Christ is King of Glory!

Kingdom established by God!
Isa 2:2
Dan 2: 44
Micah 4:1

One, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic! And all nations and all people shall flow into it! All must submit and obey the king of glory!

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Gal 4: 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

(Holy mother church)

Christ replaced David as king Lk 1:32-33
The church replaced Israel Matt 21:43
The new covenant replaced the mosaic

only one covenant and on mediator now

Why do you keep "babbling" on and on and on, posting one out-of-context verse after another. None of it make any sense! Can't you say what you mean, in your own words?
 

theefaith

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Is it safe for me to assume that you agree with Roman Catholicism in particular, and trinitarianism in general, that Jesus of Nazareth is not and never was a human person?

I’m asking because I’ve encountered many trinitarians over the years - Catholic and Protestant - who were unaware that this is what trinitarianism teaches. I’m just trying to determine where you are in regard to that issue.

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Two natures two wills in the one person of Christ
 

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Two natures two wills in the one person of Christ

"Two natures two wills in the one person of Christ" is not to be found anywhere in the Bible'

Again, why do you keep "babbling" on and on and on? Can't you clearly communicate?
 

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"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8

One Christian faith, given by God to believers as a gift. That has nothing to do with the Catholic denomination.

that verse refers to redemption not justification or salvation btw what happened to sanctification?
 

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yes it is Cos Christ and his church conquered the pagan Roman Empire

Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.


Christ the king!

The king of kings!

Christ is King of Glory!

Kingdom established by God!
Isa 2:2
Dan 2: 44
Micah 4:1

One, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic! And all nations and all people shall flow into it! All must submit and obey the king of glory!

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Gal 4: 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

(Holy mother church)

Christ replaced David as king Lk 1:32-33
The church replaced Israel Matt 21:43
The new covenant replaced the mosaic

only one covenant and on mediator now

Roman Catholicism replaced the early Church, which was Jewish.
 

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that verse refers to redemption not justification or salvation btw what happened to sanctification?

Sanctification is personal and on an individual basis it is the denial of ones on will conforming to ways and will of God, through abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Two natures two wills in the one person of Christ

My question concerned whether or not you believe Jesus was / is a human person.

The trinitarian answer is no, Jesus was not / is not a human person.

Your answer, as it stands, may or may not align with that of trinitarianism.
 

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that verse refers to redemption not justification or salvation btw what happened to sanctification?

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" has nothing to do with salvation? What is the sixth word?

What is the matter with you???

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Oh wait, I get it!!! You're just a troll, spouting unBiblical garbage just to upset people and spread lies!!! Well, you had me fooled for a while, but now I am onto you. You are simply full of [expletive]!!!!!
 

Matthias

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Jesus Christ is the founder!

Indeed. A Jewish human person founded the early Church. He isn’t a trinitarian, and neither was the church he founded.

A person whose God is only one person - by definition, unitarian - doesn’t found a church whose God is three persons - by definition, trinitarian.
 

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What is that one faith?

You - the faith expressed in the Athanasian Creed, and no doubt other creeds common to Roman Catholicism as well.

Me - The faith of, and in, Jesus of Nazareth - a Jew (unitarian), not a Roman Catholic (trinitarian).
Roman Catholic

Requirements of the church founded by Christ!

One:
Holy:
Catholic / universal:
Apostolic succession:
The teacher of truth to all men without error:
Visible kingdom with visible unity:
Founded by God in Christ not by any man!

Not a collection of believers but a hierarchical church with jurisdictional authority!
 

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I found the verse that describes the troll masquerading as theefaith...

Romans 16:17-18, "Now I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who create dissensions and obstacles contrary to the teaching that you learned. Avoid them! For these are the kind who do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By their smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of the naive."
 

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Requirements of the church founded by Christ!

One:
Holy:
Catholic / universal:
Apostolic succession:
The teacher of truth to all men without error:
Visible kingdom with visible unity:
Founded by God in Christ not by any man!

Not a collection of believers but a hierarchical church with jurisdictional authority!

Romans 16:17-18, "Now I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who create dissensions and obstacles contrary to the teaching that you learned. Avoid them! For these are the kind who do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By their smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of the naive."
 

Matthias

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Requirements of the church founded by Christ!

One:
Holy:
Catholic / universal:
Apostolic succession:
The teacher of truth to all men without error:
Visible kingdom with visible unity:
Founded by God in Christ not by any man!

Not a collection of believers but a hierarchical church with jurisdictional authority!

The Roman Catholic Church isn’t the Church which began as a sect of Judaism. That should be obvious to you.

Jesus is a man, not a Roman Catholic man.

Jesus is a man, a Jewish man.

A Jewish man founded the early Church.

No Jewish man - in fact, as you pointed out, “no man at all” - founded the Roman Catholic Church.

See again your low opinion of the Jew. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the founding of the Roman Catholic Church.
 
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"Two natures two wills in the one person of Christ" is not to be found anywhere in the Bible'

Again, why do you keep "babbling" on and on and on? Can't you clearly communicate?
Roman Catholicism replaced the early Church, which was Jewish.

no only one church founded by Christ on Peter and
My question concerned whether or not you believe Jesus was / is a human person.

The trinitarian answer is no, Jesus was not / is not a human person.

Your answer, as it stands, may or may not align with that of trinitarianism.

No he was not a human person but the God-man
Fully divine
Fully human
 
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