Nazis, foreshadowing the Christian Holocaust, by the Antichrist.

[BarneyFife]

The Antichrist shall be an iconoclast, he will suffer only his image to be displayed, and command all to worship it, akin to Nebuchadnezzar.

The antichrist is a church-state union per Daniel 7 and Revelation 13. It will cause an image to made of itself through the second beast that comes up out of the earth.

 

[James Macbeth]

The antichrist is a church-state union per Daniel 7 and Revelation 13. It will cause an image to made of itself through the second beast that comes up out of the earth.

How do you explain this?
Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six.

 

[Randy Kluth]

The Antichrist shall be an iconoclast, he will suffer only his image to be displayed, and command all to worship it, akin to Nebuchadnezzar.

I'm well aware of the iconoclastic controversy in early Church history. Although I'm a strong believer and defender of the Byzantine Empire, I'm not a supporter of icon veneration. I accept and understand the defense of the freedom of Christians to have sacred reminders in their homes, since that is precisely what the Law of Moses recommended to Israel, to write the word of God, or the Law, upon their doors, etc. Since it is indeed a fine line between replacing God with images I do feel it's best to let people determine for themselves what's in their hearts when they retain images in their homes.

The real danger with icons is, as I'm suggesting, that Christians sometimes replaced the worship of God with superstition, thinking that somehow having religious images protected them or made them good Christians. It is a form of respect for God, but nothing replaces obedience to God's word every day, as it speaks to our hearts. Nothing replaces the need to abandon the carnal ways of men for the love of Christ.

Calling Christians like me an "Antichrist" because I tend towards iconoclasm is the very kind of unloving attitude I'm talking about. And your veneration of religious images and relics cannot cover up your failure to be properly loving towards your brother in Christ. It is no better than using the form of obedience to the Law, which the Pharisees engaged in, when in reality they hated Christ.

So I would inform you that taking a position for or against is not the central issue, and should not lead us to call one another "Antichrist." Rather, it should be understood that there are two sides to the coin. A Christian with discernment can tell when veneration of religious forms is replacing true religious substance.

 

[James Macbeth]

I'm well aware of the iconoclastic controversy in early Church history. Although I'm a strong believer and defender of the Byzantine Empire, I'm not a supporter of icon veneration. I accept and understand the defense of the freedom of Christians to have sacred reminders in their homes, since that is precisely what the Law of Moses recommended to Israel, to write the word of God, or the Law, upon their doors, etc. Since it is indeed a fine line between replacing God with images I do feel it's best to let people determine for themselves what's in their hearts when they retain images in their homes.

The real danger with icons is, as I'm suggesting, that Christians sometimes replaced the worship of God with superstition, thinking that somehow having religious images protected them or made them good Christians. It is a form of respect for God, but nothing replaces obedience to God's word every day, as it speaks to our hearts. Nothing replaces the need to abandon the carnal ways of men for the love of Christ.

Calling Christians like me an "Antichrist" because I tend towards iconoclasm is the very kind of unloving attitude I'm talking about. And your veneration of religious images and relics cannot cover up your failure to be properly loving towards your brother in Christ. It is no better than using the form of obedience to the Law, which the Pharisees engaged in, when in reality they hated Christ.

So I would inform you that taking a position for or against is not the central issue, and should not lead us to call one another "Antichrist." Rather, it should be understood that there are two sides to the coin. A Christian with discernment can tell when veneration of religious forms is replacing true religious substance.

I never named you the Antichrist.

But because you spoke, I will tell you this.

Those that have a blank spot on their wall, are apt to fill it with the image of the Beast.

Those who have simple obedience to the Faith, are apt to reject the image of the beast, for the Crucifix with the image of our Lord is on every wall.

Only simple obedience to the Faith can endure the might of the Antichrist.

Those who use reason or intellect against the Antichrist, will lose the Faith, and take the make, and have their name blotted out form the book of Life (Psalm 69:28)

Did our Lord not say who is my Mother? And who are my bothers?

And do you not have pictures of your loved ones up on your wall?

Do you not love your Lord?

Think about this:
Matthew 12:3
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you: That in Heaven their Angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in Heaven.

Catholic & Orthodox believers have images all around their homes, and offices, to prepare them and to remind them of Holy things.

Learn from our Lord:
Matthew 18:3
And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

What books do children use?
Picture books.

And do children not play with toys?
Like unto Statues.

 

[Marty fox]

The only antichrists in Scripture are those described by John in his epistles.

There were already many of them when John wrote.

A single futurized antichrist is an imaginary figment contrived in the counter-reformation of the historical apostasized papacy.

Amen

 

[Brakelite]

The Nazis & Adolf Hitler are but a foreshadowing of the Antichrist & his power.

The Antichrist will be a circumcised Jewish man.

The Antichrist will rule for 3 1/2 years, or 42 months, or 1260 days.

He will declare himself as Christ.

He will use the Scriptures to argue that he the Messiah.

The Devil will dwell in him in his very conception, or at least from infancy.

He will worship the Devil secretly.

He will rebuild the 3rd Temple in Jerusalem.

Israel will become the greatest & final super power.

The Antichrist will go to war & win.

The Vatican will be demolished.

With maximum power, he will start persecuting Christians, as Hitler did the Jews.

Because Christians will not offer sacrifices to the 3rd Temple!

The majority of people will submit to the Antichrist, as subjects submit to a King.

Like when you eat at a Thai food restaurant, and they have a picture of their King hanged up, or the English with the portrait of their Queen, so shall it be with the Antichrist.

Every "good" citizen of the Antichrist will have his image hanged up in their home, and office.

But not Christians!

Christians will have holy images hanged up: the Crucifix, our Lady, the holy Family, Saints, Angels, Priests, Bishops, Martyrs, etc.

When "good" citizens of the Antichrist sit to eat, they will thank the Antichrist for their food & drink.

But not Christians!

Christians will look up and give grace to God Almighty.

Thus the persecutions will intensify, just as the Nazis did the Jews.

Eventually Christianity will be outlawed.

He will have men recite a Creed that denies Baptism, Confirmation, holy Matrimony, the Eucharist, Confessions, the Priesthood, Last rights.

He will promote polygamy, and have one wife of every race, most fair.

He will promote & practice LGBT.

And a antichristian Gestapo will be created by the Antichrist.

And as the Jews were hunted in Germany, so shall Christians be hunted.

The New Testament will be outlawed and burnt.

Churches will be demolished.

Church leaders will be executed, like the Rabbis in Germany.

Children will be separated from their parents.

Christians will be beaten and starved to death, just like the Jews were.

Many will leave the Faith and take the Mark.

The Antichrist will curse & abolish the sign of the Cross.

Christians who are caught making the sign of the Cross, will have their right hand cut off.

But like in the time of the 1st Holocaust, Christians took in Jews and hid them.

And in the Christian Holocaust, Jews will take in Christians and hide them.

These are the 144,000 Jews in Revelations.

And Enoch & Elijah will descend from Heaven during this time.

Enoch for the Gentiles, and Elijah for the Jews.

They will offer the Sacrifice of the Mass, in opposition to the Sacrifices of the 3rd Temple.

The Church will go underground, and administer the Sacraments secretly.

Enoch & Elijah will be betrayed, and killed by the Antichrist.

The Antichrist will wield great power, and fool many, pretending to perform the same miracles of our Lord Jesus.

But on his last "miracle" he will "ascend" into the sky, only to be cut down by the Archangel Saint Michael!

The earth will swallow him up, and all his ministers, and followers, etc.

The Preaching of the Antichrist​

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You mean these guys?

 

[Brakelite]

The only antichrists in Scripture are those described by John in his epistles.

There were already many of them when John wrote.

A single futurized antichrist is an imaginary figment contrived in the counter-reformation of the historical apostasized papacy.

To take the focus away from themselves as that singular fulfillment of prophecy.

 

[Brakelite]

How so you explain this?
Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six.

This is natural, simple, and based on five of the seven letters that in the Roman system have numerical values, namely i, v, l, c, and d. The letter u was originally the same as v, which can sometimes still be seen on monuments and tombstones.

 

[Enoch111]

The only antichrists in Scripture are those described by John in his epistles.

That is total nonsense. Take some time to study the Word.

 

[covenantee]

To take the focus away from themselves as that singular fulfillment of prophecy.

The Reformers recognized the apostasized papacy as the prevailing antichrist of their era with whom God had called them into spiritual battle. However, they were also well familiar with John's epistles, and recognized that there had been many antichrists before their time, and would be many thereafter.

 

[covenantee]

That is total nonsense. Take some time to study the Word.

Provide for us a reference to every verse in Scripture containing the root word "antichrist".

Take your time.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I never named you the Antichrist.

But because you spoke, I will tell you this.

Those that have a blank spot on their wall, are apt to fill it with the image of the Beast.

What is physically on your wall does not determine what is in your heart. Jesus never talked about the need to have physical images on our walls, although the Law did recommend something like that.

God's wish to have us record His word everywhere we walk were reminders of how we are to live! And Jesus summed it up as loving God and loving our neighbor.

He did not say this requires having images on your walls that you use as objects of veneration. God said not to make any images by which to replace Him and His worship. Venerating images can be a form of idol worship.

Those who have simple obedience to the Faith, are apt to reject the image of the beast, for the Crucifix with the image of our Lord is on every wall.

Again, I have no problem with your placing a crucifix on every wall. But what if God told you not to do that? Could you obey Him? Or, is your image worship more important than obeying God?

What if some people had a bad experience with churches that venerated crucifixes, and associated it with abuse? What if God didn't want you to put an obstacle in the way of their coming to know the love of God by your character and compassion and even by your self-sacrifice?

And do you not have pictures of your loved ones up on your wall?

I don't have much, and I certainly don't venerate them. I definitely don't use them in worship, or talk to them when they're dead, or treat them as super-special above other Christians. And I don't use them to replace the need to hear and obey God in trying to bring God's love to others, making images more important than loving people!

What books do children use?
Picture books.

And do children not play with toys?
Like unto Statues.

Sounds like you're using old arguments that you've had with others. I already dealt with such arguments up front by saying that I don't make a law against having images that teach or remind. I just don't *venerate* images, pictures, crucifixes, or toys!

My worship is of God, and not of any image of God. Jesus is indeed the image of God, but I worship Him as God, and not as an image, nor as a picture, nor as a statue.

If having statutes and pictures help you to remember him, fine. But the important thing is to hear God with your heart, to love Him, and to love others the way He guides you by His Spirit. If you are not sensitive to His Spirit, then your mind is attached to things you want. And that isn't spiritual at all!

 

[James Macbeth]

The only antichrists in Scripture are those described by John in his epistles.

There were already many of them when John wrote.

A single futurized antichrist is an imaginary figment contrived in the counter-reformation of the historical apostasized papacy.

Antichrist Will be a Specific Man.

Now I come to the Scriptures whereby it is proved that the seat of the Antichrist is going to be in Jerusalem, not Rome.

Revelations 11:8, where John says that Enoch & Elijah are going to fight with Antichrist in Jerusalem, and must be killed there by the same Antichrist: ‘And they will throw their bodies in the streets of the great city, which is spiritually called Sodom, and Egypt, where even their Lord was crucified.’

Arethas in this citation says: ‘Their bodies he will cast out unburied in the streets of Jerusalem, for in it he will reign as King of the Jews.’
Likewise, all other interpreters show, and this can be rightly said to be Jerusalem, and it cannot be denied.

For what City is it in which the Lord was crucified but Jerusalem?

 

[covenantee]

Antichrist Will be a Specific Man.

Now I come to the Scriptures whereby it is proved that the seat of the Antichrist is going to be in Jerusalem, not Rome.

Revelations 11:8, where John says that Enoch & Elijah are going to fight with Antichrist in Jerusalem, and must be killed there by the same Antichrist: ‘And they will throw their bodies in the streets of the great city, which is spiritually called Sodom, and Egypt, where even their Lord was crucified.’

Arethas in this citation says: ‘Their bodies he will cast out unburied in the streets of Jerusalem, for in it he will reign as King of the Jews.’
Likewise, all other interpreters show, and this can be rightly said to be Jerusalem, and it cannot be denied.

For what City is it in which the Lord was crucified but Jerusalem?

There is no "Revelations 11:8". The book is Revelation.

Quote Revelation 11:8 verbatim for us, and highlight the word "antichrist" within the verse.

 

[James Macbeth]

What is physically on your wall does not determine what is in your heart. Jesus never talked about the need to have physical images on our walls, although the Law did recommend something like that.

God's wish to have us record His word everywhere we walk were reminders of how we are to live! And Jesus summed it up as loving God and loving our neighbor.

He did not say this requires having images on your walls that you use as objects of veneration. God said not to make any images by which to replace Him and His worship. Venerating images can be a form of idol worship.



Again, I have no problem with your placing a crucifix on every wall. But what if God told you not to do that? Could you obey Him? Or, is your image worship more important than obeying God?

What if some people had a bad experience with churches that venerated crucifixes, and associated it with abuse? What if God didn't want you to put an obstacle in the way of their coming to know the love of God by your character and compassion and even by your self-sacrifice?



I don't have much, and I certainly don't venerate them. I definitely don't use them in worship, or talk to them when they're dead, or treat them as super-special above other Christians. And I don't use them to replace the need to hear and obey God in trying to bring God's love to others, making images more important than loving people!



Sounds like you're using old arguments that you've had with others. I already dealt with such arguments up front by saying that I don't make a law against having images that teach or remind. I just don't *venerate* images, pictures, crucifixes, or toys!

My worship is of God, and not of any image of God. Jesus is indeed the image of God, but I worship Him as God, and not as an image, nor as a picture, nor as a statue.

If having statutes and pictures help you to remember him, fine. But the important thing is to hear God with your heart, to love Him, and to love others the way He guides you by His Spirit. If you are not sensitive to His Spirit, then your mind is attached to things you want. And that isn't spiritual at all!

So why do you not have a Crucifix?
Did our Lord not say pick up your Cross?

 

[Rita]

So why do you not have a Crucifix?
Did our Lord not say pick up your Cross?

Are you serious , is that honestly how you interpret what the Lord Jesus said. Please tell me you we’re not being serious !

 

[James Macbeth]

There is no "Revelations 11:8". The book is Revelation.

Quote Revelation 11:8 verbatim for us, and highlight the word "antichrist" within the verse.

Revelation 11:When they complete their testimony, the Beast that comes up out of the bottomless pit will declare war against them, and he will conquer them and kill them.

Revelation 13:18 Wisdom is needed here. Let the one with understanding solve the meaning of the number of the Beast, for it is the number of a man. His number is 666.

 

[James Macbeth]

Are you serious , is that honestly how you interpret what the Lord Jesus said. Please tell me you we’re not being serious !

Did our Lord not pick up a physical Cross for you?
I am not ashamed of the Cross, I carry mine everyday.

When Satanist attack a Church, do they attack a white wall, or the holy images?

 

[covenantee]

Revelation 11:When they complete their testimony, the Beast that comes up out of the bottomless pit will declare war against them, and he will conquer them and kill them.

Revelation 13:18 Wisdom is needed here. Let the one with understanding solve the meaning of the number of the Beast, for it is the number of a man. His number is 666.

Still looking for that word "antichrist".

 

[James Macbeth]

The Reformers recognized the apostasized papacy as the prevailing antichrist of their era with whom God had called them into spiritual battle. However, they were also well familiar with John's epistles, and recognized that there had been many antichrists before their time, and would be many thereafter.

It is in John’s Gospel where the Lord says to the Jews: ‘I have come in my Father’s name, and you have not received me. If another will have come in my name, you will receive him.’

We proved that this citation ought to be understood to be about Antichrist in the second chapter above.

Then from the Apostle: ‘For the reason, since they do not receive the charity of truth that they may be saved, God will send to them the operation of error, that they would believe lies, etc.’

Calvin and other heretics in commentaries on these words argue that these words are about us [Catholics], who, because we do not receive their Gospel, he permitted to be seduced by Antichrist.

But we have all the interpreters on our side, who show it speaks about the Jews.
See Ambrose, Chrysostom, Theodoret, Theophylactus, and Oecumenius.