When did Daniel 7:13-14 happen?

[Marty fox]

How about everybody put aside your views of interpretations or timings of scriptures for a moment because they may be wrong and focus on what was actually said in the scriptures I provided in the OP.

What did Daniel,I believe Paul,John and Jesus Himself actually say? When did they all say Jesus would receive His power and authority.

Jesus said that it would happen starting now in His time. The writer of Hebrews (who was most likely Paul) said that it had already happened in his time.

These things can’t be disputed.

 

[ewq1938]

How about everybody put aside your views of interpretations or timings of scriptures for a moment because they may be wrong and focus on what was actually said in the scriptures I provided in the OP.

What did Daniel,I believe Paul,John and Jesus Himself actually say? When did they all say Jesus would receive His power and authority.

Jesus said that it would happen starting now in His time. The writer of Hebrews (who was most likely Paul) said that it had already happened in his time.

These things can’t be disputed.

Nor can when Christ said the saints would receive power over the nations with a rod of iron, after his second coming.

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers which naturally includes those who "are alive and remain" at the second coming. They will be given power over the mortal unsaved nations after Christ has returned not before it.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Daniel 7:13-14
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Some Christians think that this is in our future but I believe that the bible shows us that it happened on the day of Jesus accention and it was the same time as Revelation 12:5-10


5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

Rev. 12 is FUTURE INDEED.

Rev. 12:1-5 is the CODE for who the woman is, she gave birth to the male child who then ascended as a sacrificial lamb 2000 years ago.

THEN we go into the story, its about the Jews who repent, fleeing into the mountainous area of Petra/Bozrah where God protects them for 1260 days,

 

[Jay Ross]

Are you a Preterist? You seem to have a warped understanding of Bible Prophecy. It seems to me that you have a delusional bent against futuristic prophetic understanding that accepts that not all End Time Prophecies has been fulfilled yet.

I'm not a futurist.

I serve a God of fulfillments.

Futurism does not. It is the spawn of apostasy.

From Revelation 16:18 in the Greek:

4578 [e]
seismos
σεισμὸς
an earthquake
N-NMS

Without exception, every English version translates the Greek as "earthquake".

Your "bible" has been corrupted.

What you have said is unfulfilled unprovable private opinionized speculation, conjecture, presumption and fantasy.

It is alien to historical Christian orthodoxy.

It is the antithesis of "true".

So what you are really saying without admitting to the fact, is, that you are a Preterist.

That question I asked you could not answer with a simple, "Yes, I am a Preterist."

As for your due diligence with respect to G:4578, is there anywhere else in the bible that tells us that when an angel appears that an earthquake also occurs?

Matthew 28:2: - 2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.​

However, when the Angel appeared, there would have been great fear and trembling and turmoil in the armed guard at the tomb. The earthquake was not needed to roll the stone across the mouth of the tomb as we are told in the verse that the Angel did roll back the stone.

Also have you ever been able to create an earthquake in water?

It seems to me that you only know what you know and have never critically examined what you have been told is "true," to confirm that it is actually true.

And yes, I know that, the Bibles that I have used over the years have been corrupted in their translation.

As for continuing this conversation, it is pointless as you believe that you know the "Truth."

Goodbye, as you are the weakest link.

 

[Jay Ross]

How about everybody put aside your views of interpretations or timings of scriptures for a moment because they may be wrong and focus on what was actually said in the scriptures I provided in the OP.

Actually, the scriptures you provided in the OP do not provide any evidence as to when it would happen. However, in piecing together the scriptures, we can determine that it is a near future event that occurs at the same time that the kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon.

Oh well. People will only see what they want to see.

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm not a futurist.

I serve a God of fulfillments.

Futurism does not. It is the spawn of apostasy.

From Revelation 16:18 in the Greek:

4578 [e]
seismos
σεισμὸς
an earthquake
N-NMS

Without exception, every English version translates the Greek as "earthquake".

Your "bible" has been corrupted.

What you have said is unfulfilled unprovable private opinionized speculation, conjecture, presumption and fantasy.

It is alien to historical Christian orthodoxy.

It is the antithesis of "true".

Preterism is the weapon of Apostasy, straight from the Roman Catholic Jesuit priest "Luis De Alcasar" (1554–1613)

 

[Marty fox]

Actually, the scriptures you provided in the OP do not provide any evidence as to when it would happen. However, in piecing together the scriptures, we can determine that it is a near future event that occurs at the same time that the kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon.

Oh well. People will only see what they want to see.

Hebrews 10:12-13
12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool.

So the above verse is in the future?

It’s written in past tense

 

[ewq1938]

Hebrews 10:12-13
12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool.

It also proves he is not ruling over his enemies yet but waiting patiently at the Father's side. He is still there waiting.

 

[covenantee]

Preterism is the weapon of Apostasy, straight from the Roman Catholic Jesuit priest "Luis De Alcasar" (1554–1613)

I'm an historicist.

However, the apostasy of futurism far exceeds that of preterism.

Straight from the Roman Catholic Jesuit priest "Francisco Ribera".

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm an historicist.

However, the apostasy of futurism far exceeds that of preterism.

Straight from the Roman Catholic Jesuit priest "Francisco Ribera".

Those who believe Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD or Matthew 24:21 Great Tribulation has been fulfilled are preterist, it's that simple

The early Church fathers , Justin Martyr, Iraneus, Hippolytus, all taught of a future Antichrist and Great Tribulation from their 2nd, 3rd, century lives, they were futurist on these items

 

[Brakelite]

Daniel 7:9-10 depicts the second coming and final judgement (The Books Were Open)

You suggest Daniel 7:13 jumps back in time 2,000 years to the ascension, I disagree

You believe this took place at the ascension I disagree, Daniel states the Son of Man "Came" with the clouds of heaven, not "Goes" with the clouds of heaven as you believe and teach

Marty your complete assumption is destroyed with the word "Came" in the clouds of heaven, your ascension theory is "Gone"

"Future" (Second Coming Final Judgement)

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Daniel 7:9-10KJV
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

I see the second coming of the Lord in the heavens in Daniel 7:13, with Daniel 7:14 being a parallel teaching of Revelation 11:15, Jesus Kingdom for ever and ever after the second coming "Future"

Daniel 7:13-14KJV
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Jesus came to the Ancient of Days... On earth?

 

[covenantee]

Those who believe Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD or Matthew 24:21 Great Tribulation has been fulfilled are preterist, it's that simple

The early Church fathers , Justin Martyr, Iraneus, Hippolytus, all taught of a future Antichrist and Great Tribulation from their 2nd, 3rd, century lives, they were futurist on these items

And had they survived to the time of the Reformation, they would to a man have recognized antichrist.

 

[Marty fox]

It also proves he is not ruling over his enemies yet but waiting patiently at the Father's side. He is still there waiting.

That’s just the defeat of His enemies if a he’s on the throne He is ruling.

But stick to what Hebrews says He already received His power and authority so it was the same timing as the other verses in the OP.

 

[ewq1938]

That’s just the defeat of His enemies if a he’s on the throne He is ruling.

But stick to what Hebrews says He already received His power and authority so it was the same timing as the other verses in the OP.

Sure but that does not include leaving heaven and ruling people with a rod of iron. You are missing that rod which does not come until he has returned.

 

[Truth7t7]

And had they survived to the time of the Reformation, they would to a man have recognized antichrist.

The Papacy isn't the Antichrist as reformed theology has taught over the centuries

The Antichrist will be a future human man, that will be a (King/Ruler) of (Hebrew/Jewish) decent, and will take his seat in Jerusalem proclaiming to be Messiah to the Jews and world

 

[ewq1938]

The Papacy isn't the Antichrist as reformed theology has taught over the centuries

The Antichrist will be a future human man, that will be a (King/Ruler) of (Hebrew/Jewish) decent

What scripture says he will be Jewish?

 

[Truth7t7]

What scripture says he will be Jewish?

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A (King/Ruler) of (Hebrew/Jewish) Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:36-37KJV
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

 

[ewq1938]

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A (King/Ruler) of (Hebrew/Jewish) Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:36-37KJV
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

That only says he won't respect the God his ancestors did. It doesn't say Jewish ancestors. He would be Norwegian and not respect the Viking Gods.

 

[covenantee]

The Papacy isn't the Antichrist as reformed theology has taught over the centuries

The Antichrist will be a future human man, that will be a (King/Ruler) of (Hebrew/Jewish) decent, and will take his seat in Jerusalem proclaiming to be Messiah to the Jews and world

The Reformers accurately recognized the apostasized papacy as antichrist.

That recognition was a central doctrine of the Reformation.

God raised up, inspired, and empowered the Reformers for spiritual battle.

By His grace and mercy, they were successful.

All Protestants are the beneficiaries of that success.

Except those who are deceived and deny it.

 

[covenantee]

So what you are really saying without admitting to the fact, is, that you are a Preterist.

That question I asked you could not answer with a simple, "Yes, I am a Preterist."

As for your due diligence with respect to G:4578, is there anywhere else in the bible that tells us that when an angel appears that an earthquake also occurs?

Matthew 28:2: - 2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.​

However, when the Angel appeared, there would have been great fear and trembling and turmoil in the armed guard at the tomb. The earthquake was not needed to roll the stone across the mouth of the tomb as we are told in the verse that the Angel did roll back the stone.

Also have you ever been able to create an earthquake in water?

It seems to me that you only know what you know and have never critically examined what you have been told is "true," to confirm that it is actually true.

And yes, I know that, the Bibles that I have used over the years have been corrupted in their translation.

As for continuing this conversation, it is pointless as you believe that you know the "Truth."

Goodbye, as you are the weakest link.

I'm historicist, but I don't expect you to understand its meaning or significance.

As for your contention regarding earthquakes, you'll have to argue with every English Bible translator past and present.

Let us know how you fare.