What if you lose your faith?

[Behold]

No, what happens is people stop relying on that which keeps them saved.

If you are born, you dont have to keep believing you are to stay so.
So, if you are born again, you dont have to keep believing to stay what you have BECOME, through BIRTH.

 

[Behold]

NOBODY argues that point. The contention that is being resisted is your ridiculous claim that the person who no longer believes is somehow born again..

If you are born, you dont have to keep believing you are to stay so.
So, if you are born again, you dont have to keep believing to stay what you have BECOME, through BIRTH.

 

[Behold]

The scriptures obliterate your contention that people who don't continue to believe are somehow saved.

Listen Mr around in circles, in your own head.

Born again, has happened.
You dont have to keep believing for it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

In these verses, water, or Spirit baptism?

John's baptism, of course, is only water. NT baptism is water and Spirit.

"38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off" Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39​

Sometimes they happen together, sometimes not. It really depends on how it is presented. I'm not aware of a single Protestant denomination that presents water baptism as receiving the Holy Spirit, as Peter presented it. And so very few receive the baptism of the Spirit at their water baptism. I myself received the baptism of the Spirit through prayer and the laying on of hands after salvation.

 

[Behold]

the Spirit in power through water baptism

So you are a deceived Catholic now?
Is that your newest theology?

Take about 100 yrs and try to understand why Paul said..>"Christ sent me not to water baptize".

Water can't impart anything...Its just water.
Have a Glass and see if it anoints you.
Good luck with that.

 

[Behold]

Sometimes they happen together, sometimes not. It really depends on how it is presented..

Acts 2:38, is not ""the Gospel of the Grace of God"", that Jesus gave to Paul, YEARs later.

So, there is one more NT doctrine that you have no idea exists, among all the rest.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If you are born, you dont have to keep believing you are to stay so.

If you don't endure in your believing then you don't belong to the household of God:

"Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are His house, if we hold firmlyc to our confidence and the hope of which we boast." Hebrews 3:6​

That's what the Bible says. I'm going with the Bible, not you. Even the original OSAS teaching affirmed this truth. It teaches that if you fall away into unbelief you were never really saved to begin with.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Acts 2:38, is not ""the Gospel of the Grace of God"", that Jesus gave to Paul, YEARs later.

So, there is one more NT doctrine that you have no idea exists.

I have no choice but to put you the category of the spiritually illiterate.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Born again, has happened.

“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear… continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:20-23)

Born againers can be cut off!

And there’s no second chance at it again!

Because:

“Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:29)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I have no choice but to put you the category of a spiritual moron, lol.

No, he’s a Dispensationalist (which isn’t much better)…

 

[Behold]

Not the way I see it, no offense, the thief on the cross never went near water and the thief on the cross is "reasoned away" like so many other doctrines.
Show me scripture references that I may obtain a martureo in order for me to receive a gift or a witness and to know my calling and election, a witness to the effect that I was there when our Lord was crucified, died a violent death, and was gloriously resurrected and seated at the right hand of the Father on high.
Not being argumentative
J.

The heretics, always like to present the fact that the Dying Thief, who is now in Heaven, yet was not water baptized.....is some sort of "special case"... an "exception to the rule".
When the reality is, water cant wash away sin, and it can't impart any spiritual power, as its just WATER.
Water Baptism, follows Salvation........its comes AFTER, because its SYMBOLIC.

People who have a touch of the infection of ROMAN CATHOLICISM, like Ferris Bueller, are always looking for a way to deny Christ and the Cross and the Holy Spirit, all the credit do them for saving us, and keeping us saved.
Spiritual Gifts, and the Call into the Ministry, come from God, and not water.
There is NT evidence that by the "laying on of Hands", some spiritual impartation can be manifest.
Thats true.

 

[Behold]

“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded,

Being born again, is not related to your behavior, neither before you are saved, or after God has saved you.
When you understand this, you'll then have become a part of this new life.

 

[Behold]

“

“Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:29)

Your verse, from Hebrews, is talking to Christ Rejectors.....(Jews) specifically.
They have never believed or been born again.

 

[Behold]

Then you can never go back to unbelief.

If unbelief after you are born again, has no effect on the New Birth, then, there is no issue.
Its God who controls the New Birth, not your faith, after it has been accepted by God.
Philippians 1:6

 

[Behold]

“… (Romans 11:20-23)

Born againers can be cut off!

(Hebrews 10:29)

Born again, means to have had a Spiritual Birth.
This cant be ended by your faith crisis, that you have after you are BORN.....again.
You can't stop being born again.
"Birth" is a finished situation, both on earth and in the Spirit.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Take about 100 yrs and try to understand why Paul said..>"Christ sent me not to water baptize".

And yet those he ministered to were water baptized.

29Calling for lights, the jailer rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30Then he brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”31They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32Then Paul and Silas spoke the word of the Lord to him and to everyone in his house. 33At that hour of the night, the jailer took them and washed their wounds. And without delay, he and all his household were baptized." Acts of the Apostles 16:29-33​

Water baptism remains a part of the church to this very day. What we've separated from it is the baptism in power for effective witness. What few churches are left that believe in it, the baptism of the Spirit is now given through the laying on of hands. I think for the most part it's just a matter of logistics. Few of us have a river Jordon at our immediate disposal.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Being born again, is not related to your behavior

“Only let your manner of life be worthy of the gospel of Christ” (Philippians 1:27)

Or else:

“The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.” (Matthew 22:8)

So behave yourself!

“So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:” (2 Thessalonians 1:4-5)

When you understand

Pick up and read your Bible until you are purged of the leaven in you!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If unbelief after you are born again, has no effect on the New Birth, then, there is no issue.
Its God who controls the New Birth, not your faith, after it has been accepted by God.
Philippians 1:6

Why do you have born again people going back to unbelief if you are sure God is in complete and utter control of things?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Your verse, from Hebrews, is talking to Christ Rejectors.....(Jews) specifically

Not it isn’t!

It’s talking to rebels like you who have found cunning ways to make void scriptures that go against the false doctrine you love!

 

[Behold]

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, when the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
To whom was this addressed?

FB has no idea.
He'll have to "consult a commentary" or do a Google search, and then, once he's read that about 20 times, he'll come back here and sort of rewrite it to pretend he "knew it all along".
That's his game plan and end game.
More then likely, he'll read this post, and sort of learn it, and in an hour, he'll be teaching it..
And that's ok, as at least he's finally got one thing right...finally.

So, Let me answer your question, as its a GRT one.

In John 20:22, Jesus Gave the Apostle the Holy Spirit. They had it before "the day of Pentecost".

So, when Pentecost came, PETER, receive his Acts 1:8....and he began to have what is the "Signs of an Apostle".. 2 Corinthians 12:12.

Notice that the NT illeterates will teach that its all about that WATER....in Acts 2, Yet, Peter already had the Holy Spirit before Acts 2:38, so now, He is getting his Apostolic POWER that He was told by JESUS, would come.
Notice carefully that none in the upper room, nor Peter, were water baptized that day, yet they all had the "gift of Tongues", and Peter used this Gift to preach to those who the NT states in ACTS 2..>"heard in their OWN LANGUAGE".....which defines what the 'gift of Tongues" actually is... Its the supernatural ability to speak in a foreign language....or a 'TONGUE".

When might you need that?
Not in a Charismatic Church Service, full of "spiritual gift" fakirs.... thats for sure.
But, if you are called to be a Missionary, which is a type of Apostle, and God sends you to Africa, and you are dealing with 90 dialects, ... they need to understand the Gospel you are giving them so that HEARING it they can Believe. "faith comes by HEARING"... The Gospel.
You have to speak their LANGUAGE...>"TONGUE"...>= "Gift of ....TONGUES"..