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#15. “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29).

#16. ”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:12-15).

#17. “For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).

#18. “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:12-13).

#19. ”Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matthew 25:34-40).
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:41-46).

#20. ”His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21).
”And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30).

#21. “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

#22. “He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47).

#23. “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) (cf. 1 John 2:9-11).

#24. “For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:20).

#25. “Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.” (Matthew 7:24-27).

#26. “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21).

Supplementary verse:

“For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication” (1 Thessalonians 4:3).​

#27. “And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet [Jesus], shall be destroyed from among the people.” (Acts of the Apostles 3:23).

#28. “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.’ (John 15:5-6).

Supplementary verses:

(a) “Bring forth therefore fruits befitting for repentance” (Matthew 3:8).

(b) “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matthew 3:10).​

#29. “And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.” (1 Peter 4:18-19).

#30. “For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:8-9).

 

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(Romans 3:24-28)

When you quote Romans 3:24-28, you have to understand what is going on.
Romans 3:1 says what profit is there is in circumcision? Why would Paul say this?
Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24 tells us that at the Jerusalem council, certain Jews were trying to deceive Gentile Christians into thinking they had to be first circumcised in order to be initially saved. The Gentile Christians also were being told by these false Jews that they had to keep the law of Moses (Which the council members concluded that they did not have to keep - except for certain select laws they mentioned).

Paul says that is not without the Law of God seeing he is under the Law(s) to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21). So when Paul is referring negatively of the Law in Romans 3:28, he is referring to the law of Moses (the Old Law), and not the Law(s) of Christ. For Paul asks: shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Paul answers with, God forbid to that question (See: Romans 6:1-2). Paul lists various sins in Galatians 5:19-21, and says that they which do such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Paul here is not referring to unbelievers. It's a given they will not make it. Paul is referring to believers because he just told them that if they walk after the Spirit, they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Galatians 5:16), and then Paul says: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred,” (Galatians 5:19-20).

Also, you have to falsely assume that a believer can sin and still be saved based on your false reading of Romans 3 because it says: all have sinned and come short of the glory of God in Romans 3:23 (of which you most likely assume it is speaking in the present tense and not in regards to the believer's past life).

However, if this is the case, then you must also believe that you as a believer has no understanding and you don't seek after God, too. For Romans 3:10 says: “There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.” So obviously this is referring to our old life as an unbeliever.

In addition, when you read Romans 3:25 that says: “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins...” you also have to read 1 John 1:7 that basically says if we walk in the light as He is in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

Walking in the light = Loving your brother according to the indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11.

In other words, you not only have to believe in the blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin according to Romans 3:25, but you also have to love your brother (walk in the light) so that the blood of Jesus also cleanses you from all sin, too (according to 1 John 1:7). So you have to look at the whole counsel of God's Word and not just those preferred verses you desire to see from your own slanted point of view.

 

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(Romans 5:1)

When you read Romans 5:1 in how it says that we are justified by faith, you also have to read Romans 5:21 that says:

“...grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 5:21).

Grace reigns through righteousness.
Grace does not reign in unrighteousness or sin.

1 John 3:7-8 says:
“Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”

Also, as I said before, James 2:24 says we are justified by works and not by faith alone. Which as I pointed out previously, the word justified used for both faith and works. So a person cannot deny or twist what it is saying here with a good or clear conscience.

 

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So where does Christ's finished work of redemption fit into your equation and just how much putting away of sin, holy living and good works must you accomplish and "add" as a supplement to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Christ save you?

Jesus says we have to be faithful over a few things to enter the joy of our Lord.

Matthew 25:21
“His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.”

 

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2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification)

You also don't believe you are saved from the power of sin because you believe that the Christian is a slave to sin this side of Heaven according to your false interpretation on 1 John 1:8. When I mention Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, and 2 Corinthians 7:1, you don't seem to believe them in what they plainly say.

 

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At the judgment will you be in the group that says - "Lord, Lord didn't WE or Lord, Lord, didn't YOU?"

Sorry. You don't know the future. I believe those who hold to a sin and still be saved type belief are the types of believers Jesus will say: “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:23).

How so?

Well, the believers who did good works in His name in Matthew 7:22 also worked iniquity according to Jesus (Matthew 7:23). Iniquity is sin. So they justified sin.

For how do we have an assurance that we know the Lord?

1 John 2:3
“And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.”

So we have to keep his commandments to have an assurance that we know the Lord Jesus.
However, the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments, they are a liar, and the truth is not in them.

For 1 John 2:4 says:
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”

You believe that a Christian will always sin this side of Heaven and thus they are not really technically keeping His commandments.

Also, in Matthew 7:23, Jesus is referring to our obeying Him in context because Matthew 7:26-27 says that everyone who does not do what He says is like a fool who built His house upon the sand and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house.

 

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“Let no man therefore judge you in meat [food], or in drink, or in respect
of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: Which are a
shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ” (Col. 2:16,17)​

When Paul says to the Colossians that they were not to let any man judge them in
regard to these physical things, it is strongly implied that they were being troubled
by those who were attempting to place them under the law. They were being told
that to be saved and please God, it was necessary to keep the law...
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(P Sadler)

Precious friend(s), are you also "being troubled" by this today?:

FULL study:
The Sabbath Day

GRACE And Peace...

I agree with you that the Saturday Sabbath is no longer binding for the New Covenant believer. A plain, normal reading that is not biased will come away thinking this way based on Colossians 2:16, Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24.

 

[mailmandan]

Sorry, I don't believe you. You are not carefully looking at my arguments.
Again, James 2:24. The same word “justified” is used for both faith and works in the same verse. Do you believe there is a faith that justifies that does not save? This is what you have to believe if you interpret “justified” as not being salvific in James 2:24.

Sorry, I don't believe you and I already thoroughly explained James 2:24 in context to you in post #301 and I also properly harmonized scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine. You misinterpret James 2:24 the same way Roman Catholics and other works-salvationists misinterpret James 2:24 and the end result is salvation by faith AND WORKS. BTW: Works salvation is NO SALVATION AT ALL. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is substantiated, evidenced by works. (James 2:14-24)

Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.

It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*

Until you get this right, everything else in your theological house of cards comes crashing down.

 

[mailmandan]

Sorry, some of my own studies on Sanctification is what the Lord has shown me that is unique and I have not seen Catholics bring up all of the same points I have on the topic. Catholics also have a false view of Sanctification because they also include church traditions that violate Scripture (like bowing down to statues, praying to the saints, confessing sins to a priest, forbidding to marry, elevating Mary to being a co-redeemer, etcetera).

Regardless of what other works and traditions that Catholics 'include' in their view of sanctification and although you and Catholics have a difference in style, the end result is still the same in substance - "type 2 works salvation."

 

[mailmandan]

As for faith being a form of obedience:

John 3:36 (The Greek word “apeitheō” used in John 3:36 for the English words: “believeth not” (KJB) is translated as “obey not” or “disobedient” in other English bible verses. For example: 1 Peter 3:1, and 1 Peter 3:20 translates apeitheō as “obey not” or “disobedient” and it is used context to being disobedient in regards to one’s righteous conduct (Whereas John 3:36 is translated as believeth not” in the King James Bible). Some translations render the KJB’s John 3:36 “believeth not" as “obey not” in other Translations (NLT, ESV, BLB, NASB, ASV, EXB, GNT). In other words, sometimes the words “believeth not” is synonymous with “obey not” (depending on the context). In fact, you can check this Greek word for yourself and it's usage here at BlueLetterBible.

G544 - apeitheō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)

This is the same argument I hear from Roman Catholics who basically end up teaching that faith "is" multiple acts of obedience which is basically saying that faith "is" works and to be saved by faith is to be saved by faith AND WORKS. Sound familiar? Prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I basically defined faith "as" obedience/works so I understand your confusion. Roman Catholicism basically teaches that we are saved through faith "infused" with works and those works become meritorious towards receiving eternal life.

I often hear works-salvationists quote John 3:36 in the NASB and "stress" the word "obey" to imply that we are saved by obedience/works which follows saving faith in Christ. In regards to "does not obey the Son" in the New American Standard translation of the Bible, this does not mean that receiving eternal life is received based on the merits of our obedience/works which follows believing in the Son, but obey by choosing to believe in the Son. If John wanted to make obedience the central theme in salvation here, he would have said: "He who believes and obeys the Son has eternal life," but that is not what John said. To obey the Son here is to choose to believe in the Son.

The King James Version renders this same verse as: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that "believeth not the Son" shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. The NIV says "rejects the Son" and the CSB says, "refuses to believe in the Son." The Greek word translated as "believeth not" in that verse is "apeitheo" and it means: "not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving." Strong’s definition of apeitheo is "to disbelieve willfully and perversely." In the context of 3:36, to "not obey the Son" means to reject the Son by refusing to believe in the Son. So John 3:36 does not teach "type 2 works salvation."

 

[mailmandan]

You also don't believe you are saved from the power of sin because you believe that the Christian is a slave to sin this side of Heaven according to your false interpretation on 1 John 1:8. When I mention Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, and 2 Corinthians 7:1, you don't seem to believe them in what they plainly say.

Like it or not 1 John 1:8 is in the present tense, which rules out sinless perfection, but also does not mean that Christians are slaves of sin either. Christians are slaves of righteousness and not sin. (Romans 6:18) Being saved from the power of sin in the process of ongoing sanctification is just that, an ongoing process. Do you believe that Galatians 5:24; 1 Peter 4:1-2 and 2 Corinthians 7:1 promote sinless perfection in contradiction to 1 John 1:8-10? Everything is a pendulum with you that only swings in one extreme direction or the other.

 

[mailmandan]

When you read Romans 5:1 in how it says that we are justified by faith, you also have to read Romans 5:21 that says:

So you don't believe that we are justified by faith? Romans 5:1 is incomplete?

“...grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 5:21).

Whose righteousness? Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.

Grace reigns through righteousness.
Grace does not reign in unrighteousness or sin.

We have access by faith into grace.. (Romans 5:2) The righteous are not unrighteous and the sins of believers have been washed away by the blood of Christ. (Revelation 1:5)

Romans 5:15 - But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. 18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

1 John 3:7-8 says:
“Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”

Back to sinless perfection?

1 John 3:7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. (NASB 1995)

Children of God practice righteousness BECAUSE they are children of God and not in order to become children of God. Children of the devil practice sin BECAUSE they are children of the devil and not in order to become children of the devil.

1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

 

[mailmandan]

In other words, you not only have to believe in the blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin according to Romans 3:25, but you also have to love your brother (walk in the light) so that the blood of Jesus also cleanses you from all sin, too (according to 1 John 1:7)..

I already thoroughly explained 1 John 1:7 to you in CONTEXT in post #269. Did you even bother to read my post? Your misinterpretation of 1 John 1:7 once again results in "type 2 works salvation."

 

[mailmandan]

#15. “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29).

#16. ”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:12-15).

#17. “For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).

#18. “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:12-13).

#19. ”Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matthew 25:34-40).
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:41-46).

#20. ”His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21).
”And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30).

#21. “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

#22. “He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47).

#23. “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) (cf. 1 John 2:9-11).

#24. “For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:20).

#25. “Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.” (Matthew 7:24-27).

#26. “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21).

Supplementary verse:

“For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication” (1 Thessalonians 4:3).​

#27. “And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet [Jesus], shall be destroyed from among the people.” (Acts of the Apostles 3:23).

#28. “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.’ (John 15:5-6).

Supplementary verses:

(a) “Bring forth therefore fruits befitting for repentance” (Matthew 3:8).

(b) “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matthew 3:10).​

#29. “And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.” (1 Peter 4:18-19).

#30. “For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:8-9).

These are all the same verses that I hear Roman Catholics cite with your same misinterpretations that culminate in "type 2 works salvation."

 

[BarneyFife]

I agree with you that the Saturday Sabbath is no longer binding for the New Covenant believer. A plain, normal reading that is not biased will come away thinking this way based on Colossians 2:16, Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24.

A plain, surface reading perhaps.

Because the entire lifestyle of the society in which one lives could in no way be construed as a cause for bias of any kind.

So nice that the topic of the thread has been mentioned after a flood of no less than 16 consecutive posts of spam on salvation by works.

I don't suppose one's zeal to prevail on the off-topic debate could be seen as betraying or decrying the hypocrisy indicated in refusing to discuss the perpetuity of the 4th commandment.

Doubtless, the view will be cited that since the subject chosen to crowd out the topic at hand is more important than the 4th commandment, then that is all that need be said on the matter.

Folks will do as they please; we can rely on that much, to be sure. The rules one agrees to when joining a CHRISTIAN forum are, evidently, inconsequential.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Whew! Maybe a small BRIEF example of right division may be helpful, or not:
The Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! i.e.:

God's Previous Context of:

"Prophecy/Law" {earthly} Christ And The TWELVE, gospel of the kingdom,
ISRAEL prominent! {past/future} "faith PLUS works" = endure to
the END "to be saved" = NO OSAS!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

God's Current Context of:

"Mystery/GRACE!" {Heavenly!} Gospel Of GRACE, Jew And Gentile "Equal!"

{Current, Today!} for The Body Of CHRIST! "GRACE Through faith" Apart
From ALL works, For [YES OSAS!] God's Eternal Assurance Of HIS Eternal
Salvation, Scripturally Confirmed By:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST

Mixing [Present] GRACE and [past/future] works Never works! (Romans 11:6)
+
God's THREE tenses For HIS Eternal Salvation:

GRACE And Peace...

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ron, I already answered that completely in one of my previous posts responding to the exact same question from you. I'm not digging through the thread to find it, but it's there. Have other replies to respond to.

No you haven't but that is fine. Because you cannot hold to this and hold that the ten written in stone are glorious and valid.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why omit verses 1-4? Particularly verse 3.

Mostl;y because they are not germaine to the topic at hand. but I love those verses, for the Spirit lives in our heart and has written Gods letter in our hearts.

 

[GEN2REV]

No you haven't but that is fine. Because you cannot hold to this and hold that the ten written in stone are glorious and valid.

They're glorious and valid when they're planted in our hearts via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

All 10 of them. Same exact Commands as on the Stone Tablets.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

They're glorious and valid when they're planted in our hearts via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

All 10 of them. Same exact Commands as on the Stone Tablets.

So is this comment in the Genrev translation of the bible? cuz I use 34 English translations plus the Greek and Hebrew and that doesn't show up anywhere in those 36 bibles!

But I do see that they are a ministry of condemnation that was glorious but also done away with. I await you showing me a verse.