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The theory of evolution is nothing but a fraudulent attempt by the atheists to pull people away from God.

It is not based on any science and is more if a philosophical theory than a scientific one.

Science is being used to deceive people. Be careful what you believe.

Now if being wrong would be a talent or a profession then you are a highly skilled professional...your last post was like a shotgun of false information, a stink bomb, if you will, of information. LOL LOL Belly roll. Wrong on how many levels?

The sciences that are involved here are biology, paleontology and Paleoanthropology, geosciences, molecular science, biology, forensic science, genetics, geology, petrology, and cosmology.

And science does not draw people away from God. Are you drawn away from God because you use electrical appliances?..."microwave!" that demon box! The Smart Phone! The demon that is in your pocket! Are you drawn away from God because you drive a car or fly in a plane? Are you drawn away from God because you go to the doctor or hospital? The demon rays of the MRI can see right through you! What about medicine? Potions from witchcraft!!! Lets burn the pharmacists! They are witches! Potions and witch's brew with incantations on the bottle! "Take two a day for two weeks."

Oh my!

Does it hurt for you not to believe in science....is it something you can believe in? Science is like a doctor.... they are never done with the study....they are always practicing.

It does not hurt for you to believe the biblical account of creation....It does not hurt for you to believe that the world is flat and ships can sail off the edges....It does not hurt for you to believe that stars can fall to earth....
It does not hurt for you to believe that disease and PMS is caused by demons....but it is killing Christianity.

Some of the most famous Christians.....early Christians read the Bible and came up with the belief that sex and women were dirty, nasty, and sinful.....of the devil. Not just the act of sex....the desire for sex....the desire for women....the desire for pleasure. Believing that the only true Christian was one that separated himself from all that. Origen Adamantius of Alexandria ( circa. 185 – c. 253), cut his own pee pee off because he thought it was tempting him.....

So some of the most well known Christians of those time periods lived in trees, towers mountain tops, wilderness, caves, cemeteries, catacombs....etc Asceticism and monasticism and religious mortification....if you were in constant pain, then you were not experiencing pleasure....

So were they doing this for Christianity?....No. They were doing for themselves. They were not that concerned about anybody else, they just wanted to make it to heaven. Can you imagine if the Apostles did this? The Bible only people stand on their soap boxes professing belief in the Bible...thinking what? It pleases God... makes them look good in front of other people...helps their chances to go to heaven? For themselves? Not for Christianity as a whole....not for the future of Christianity.

Selective denial of science. Could it possibly make sense? Christians are surrounded by science and technology ....look around where you are sitting.....how are you typing this on this forum....an international Christian forum that runs on the worldwide web and bounces off satellites 20,000 miles in outer space.... satellites .... more than one....line of sight so they transmit to each other. Denying science does not make sense....Christianity is not an alternate reality. God is real...we are real....reality is real...and science is real. A religion based on the real is what will endure. Quit trying to portray God and Christianity as a fantasy.

The Bible only thing is turning younger people away from Christianity......they sit there looking at the preacher like he is crazy and the horse he rode in on. They are taking it as fantasy from backward-stupid people that do not have the intelligence to know they are living in a reality of science-technology that they would never give up. Is it hypocrisy? Is it delusional? Is it both? Can you imagine those early Christians....they would be running for hills if they saw our technology!

I do not care what you believe....but do you want our kids and young people to believe in Christianity....to be Christians. The future of Christianity is in their hands....Oh! And by the way....give them a Bible they can read!
 
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Science is a total fraud today, in every single field, and has been for centuries now.

It didn't begin that way, it began with True Christians who put Truth and honor for all mankind first and foremost as its foundation.

There is a discipline that is science, but the popular sciences of today are all corrupt.

Evolution is presented with "proof" and explanations from that corrupt science and those who advocate for it.

I largely agree with you but there are fields of science that remain true. Engineering is one of them. You cannot lie in such a field or else your building or bridge or whatever your building will fail.

I'm in engineering so it really bugs me to see all these fields call themselves "science" when I know very well that it's not.

I once thought physics was untouchable but astrophysics blew apart my belief. The big bang theory is another total fraud.

The problem is that they teach this stuff at school as if it's an undisputed fact and so many kids are deceived like I was.

I studied engineering and was shocked tollearn hat not all fields of science use the same high standard of evidence
 
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Science is being used to deceive people. Be careful what you believe.

There's quite a bit of bias in science too. So, unless you're intent on doing your own experiments, taking a scientific claim at it's word is very similar to taking God at his word--in both instances you are putting your trust in the author of those words and the majority of the people taking the scientist's words for truth do not have much knowledge in their area of study.
 
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There's quite a bit of bias in science too. So, unless you're intent on doing your own experiments, taking a scientific claim at it's word is very similar to taking God at his word--in both instances you are putting your trust in the author of those words and the majority of the people taking the scientist's words for truth do not have much knowledge in their area of study.

What science?

laboratory science?
Or
Theoretical science?

I was watching a show on story tv about the universe, it’s was entirely “faith based” what so called scientists believe about the universe or what they “now” believe about the universe which makes what they used to believe a totally erroneous!

nothing fails like science!

and there is no such thing as Christian evolution!

it is atheistic to the core!
 
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Now if being wrong would be a talent or a profession then you are a highly skilled professional...your last post was like a shotgun of false information, a stink bomb, if you will, of information. LOL LOL Belly roll. Wrong on how many levels?

The sciences that are involved here are biology, paleontology and Paleoanthropology, geosciences, molecular science, biology, forensic science, genetics, geology, petrology, and cosmology.

And science does not draw people away from God. Are you drawn away from God because you use electrical appliances?..."microwave!" that demon box! The Smart Phone! The demon that is in your pocket! Are you drawn away from God because you drive a car or fly in a plane? Are you drawn away from God because you go to the doctor or hospital? The demon rays of the MRI can see right through you! What about medicine? Potions from witchcraft!!! Lets burn the pharmacists! They are witches! Potions and witch's brew with incantations on the bottle! "Take two a day for two weeks."

Oh my!

Does it hurt for you not to believe in science....is it something you can believe in? Science is like a doctor.... they are never done with the study....they are always practicing.

It does not hurt for you to believe the biblical account of creation....It does not hurt for you to believe that the world is flat and ships can sail off the edges....It does not hurt for you to believe that stars can fall to earth....
It does not hurt for you to believe that disease and PMS is caused by demons....but it is killing Christianity.

Some of the most famous Christians.....early Christians read the Bible and came up with the belief that sex and women were dirty, nasty, and sinful.....of the devil. Not just the act of sex....the desire for sex....the desire for women....the desire for pleasure. Believing that the only true Christian was one that separated himself from all that. Origen Adamantius of Alexandria ( circa. 185 – c. 253), cut his own pee pee off because he thought it was tempting him.....

So some of the most well known Christians of those time periods lived in trees, towers mountain tops, wilderness, caves, cemeteries, catacombs....etc Asceticism and monasticism and religious mortification....if you were in constant pain, then you were not experiencing pleasure....

So were they doing this for Christianity?....No. They were doing for themselves. They were not that concerned about anybody else, they just wanted to make it to heaven. Can you imagine if the Apostles did this? The Bible only people stand on their soap boxes professing belief in the Bible...thinking what? It pleases God... makes them look good in front of other people...helps their chances to go to heaven? For themselves? Not for Christianity as a whole....not for the future of Christianity.

Selective denial of science. Could it possibly make sense? Christians are surrounded by science and technology ....look around where you are sitting.....how are you typing this on this forum....an international Christian forum that runs on the worldwide web and bounces off satellites 20,000 miles in outer space.... satellites .... more than one....line of sight so they transmit to each other. Denying science does not make sense....Christianity is not an alternate reality. God is real...we are real....reality is real...and science is real. A religion based on the real is what will endure. Quit trying to portray God and Christianity as a fantasy.

The Bible only thing is turning younger people away from Christianity......they sit there looking at the preacher like he is crazy and the horse he rode in on. They are taking it as fantasy from backward-stupid people that do not have the intelligence to know they are living in a reality of science-technology that they would never give up. Is it hypocrisy? Is it delusional? Is it both? Can you imagine those early Christians....they would be running for hills if they saw our technology!

I do not care what you believe....but do you want our kids and young people to believe in Christianity....to be Christians. The future of Christianity is in their hands....Oh! And by the way....give them a Bible they can read!

You are greatly deceived my friend.
I'm an engineer and I know what real science is.
The theory of evolution is not science at all. It's nothing but an attack on God by idiots such as Richard Dawkins.
 

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You are greatly deceived my friend.
I'm an engineer and I know what real science is.
The theory of evolution is not science at all

Evolution is as real as God....because He was behind it.
I guess you engineer things without electricity and computers? Water wheels and horse bridles?
 

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The sciences that are involved here are biology, paleontology and Paleoanthropology, geosciences, molecular science, biology, forensic science, genetics, geology, petrology, and cosmology.
And they STILL got it wrong!!
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On a serious note, ... cosmology? Really?

Care to explain what cosmology has to do with evolution?
 

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Now if being wrong would be a talent or a profession then you are a highly skilled professional...your last post was like a shotgun of false information, a stink bomb, if you will, of information. LOL LOL Belly roll. Wrong on how many levels?

The sciences that are involved here are biology, paleontology and Paleoanthropology, geosciences, molecular science, biology, forensic science, genetics, geology, petrology, and cosmology.

And science does not draw people away from God. Are you drawn away from God because you use electrical appliances?..."microwave!" that demon box! The Smart Phone! The demon that is in your pocket! Are you drawn away from God because you drive a car or fly in a plane? Are you drawn away from God because you go to the doctor or hospital? The demon rays of the MRI can see right through you! What about medicine? Potions from witchcraft!!! Lets burn the pharmacists! They are witches! Potions and witch's brew with incantations on the bottle! "Take two a day for two weeks."

Oh my!

Does it hurt for you not to believe in science....is it something you can believe in? Science is like a doctor.... they are never done with the study....they are always practicing.

It does not hurt for you to believe the biblical account of creation....It does not hurt for you to believe that the world is flat and ships can sail off the edges....It does not hurt for you to believe that stars can fall to earth....
It does not hurt for you to believe that disease and PMS is caused by demons....but it is killing Christianity.

Some of the most famous Christians.....early Christians read the Bible and came up with the belief that sex and women were dirty, nasty, and sinful.....of the devil. Not just the act of sex....the desire for sex....the desire for women....the desire for pleasure. Believing that the only true Christian was one that separated himself from all that. Origen Adamantius of Alexandria ( circa. 185 – c. 253), cut his own pee pee off because he thought it was tempting him.....

So some of the most well known Christians of those time periods lived in trees, towers mountain tops, wilderness, caves, cemeteries, catacombs....etc Asceticism and monasticism and religious mortification....if you were in constant pain, then you were not experiencing pleasure....

So were they doing this for Christianity?....No. They were doing for themselves. They were not that concerned about anybody else, they just wanted to make it to heaven. Can you imagine if the Apostles did this? The Bible only people stand on their soap boxes professing belief in the Bible...thinking what? It pleases God... makes them look good in front of other people...helps their chances to go to heaven? For themselves? Not for Christianity as a whole....not for the future of Christianity.

Selective denial of science. Could it possibly make sense? Christians are surrounded by science and technology ....look around where you are sitting.....how are you typing this on this forum....an international Christian forum that runs on the worldwide web and bounces off satellites 20,000 miles in outer space.... satellites .... more than one....line of sight so they transmit to each other. Denying science does not make sense....Christianity is not an alternate reality. God is real...we are real....reality is real...and science is real. A religion based on the real is what will endure. Quit trying to portray God and Christianity as a fantasy.

The Bible only thing is turning younger people away from Christianity......they sit there looking at the preacher like he is crazy and the horse he rode in on. They are taking it as fantasy from backward-stupid people that do not have the intelligence to know they are living in a reality of science-technology that they would never give up. Is it hypocrisy? Is it delusional? Is it both? Can you imagine those early Christians....they would be running for hills if they saw our technology!

I do not care what you believe....but do you want our kids and young people to believe in Christianity....to be Christians. The future of Christianity is in their hands....Oh! And by the way....give them a Bible they can read!
Are you sure Christianity isn't just a little too inconvenient for you?

You are about the least convincing Christian I have ever come across.

I don't know what you DO believe, but you spend a lot of time on this forum belittling people for what you DON'T believe.

Ever experience any humility, or maybe the thought that you just might NOT be right about everything?
 

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I largely agree with you but there are fields of science that remain true. Engineering is one of them. You cannot lie in such a field or else your building or bridge or whatever your building will fail.

I'm in engineering so it really bugs me to see all these fields call themselves "science" when I know very well that it's not.

I once thought physics was untouchable but astrophysics blew apart my belief. The big bang theory is another total fraud.

The problem is that they teach this stuff at school as if it's an undisputed fact and so many kids are deceived like I was.

I studied engineering and was shocked tollearn hat not all fields of science use the same high standard of evidence
Good point.

Couldn't agree more.

Yes, 'science' was once a legitimate word and a legitimate discipline, but it's been hijacked and corrupted.

Much like 'Christian.'
 
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The sciences that are involved here are biology, paleontology and Paleoanthropology, geosciences, molecular science, biology, forensic science, genetics, geology, petrology, and cosmology.
Sorry, but I just keep laughing at this list.

You've got biology on here twice.

Geology and geosciences are 99% the same thing.

I'd be interested to hear how petrology (the study of rocks) contributes to proving biological evolution in any way.

I think maybe we're extra-zaggerating a bit. Yes?

Maybe because we really don't have a case to prove evolution is legit in any way, maybe. Yes?
 

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Are you sure Christianity isn't just a little too inconvenient for you?

You are about the least convincing Christian I have ever come across.

I don't know what you DO believe, but you spend a lot of time on this forum belittling people for what you DON'T believe.

Ever experience any humility, or maybe the thought that you just might NOT be right about everything?

Science does not hurt my confidence in Christianity.

I don't know what you DO believe, but you spend a lot of time on this forum belittling people for what you DON'T believe.

Belief, Truth, Facts. I am not sure why you think I belittle people that do not believe like I do that. Are you talking Once Saved Always Saved or Calvinism or Jehovah's Witnesses I am going to stand against heresy....what do expect?

I am multidenominational....and I have a blast with people that do not believe exactly believe like I do. Stand a worship with people that do not exactly believe as I do....In fact, can you find a church where everyone believes exactly the same? Here I debate and I am good at it....well versed. But I do not debate much in the churches. There is no stress in my ministry. Johnny Appleseed of Truth. Plant seeds of Truth and from there it is up to them and God....

Ever experience any humility, or maybe the thought that you just might NOT be right about everything?

Are you saying that I am arrogant? LOL If so....you are the first person to say that to me...LOL Gee I don't know why? LOL

So the brain surgeon has you down on the operating table and he say, I am not sure if this is exactly right but we are going to try it. Humility has it place but not when it is important. We are talking souls here and eternal blessing or eternal damnation. If I did not know I was right, I would not say it. If I do not know, I say I do not know or it is debatable. The neat thing about being knowledgeable is that if someone prove me wrong I am not offended....just something I have learned.

I know the Bible backwards and forwards, I know Christian history, I know the languages and culture, and I have studied the multitudes of denominations and they all have errors, so I am not looking for perfection....more on the lines of love of God.
That is why I can enjoy fellowshipping with all these Christians. What do you need to know to be saved and what do you need to know to love one another and love God. The rest is details....most of which....does not determine if you are going to heaven.

The trick with me...if you debate respectfully with me, I will debate respectfully with you. If not call me on it, I will back down. Sometime I try to shake the tree to get people to think. Christianity is not a religion of non-sense...neither is God.

On this thread we are taking about people that want to selectively deny science....it don't work...alternate reality....their whole life is about living with science and technology....how they are juggling that with such a poor attitude toward science is somewhere between hypocrisy and or delusional.

Still Belief, Truth, Facts. A person that believes that science and technology is all wrong or sinful....That falls under Belief and is Truth to them....the Amish. Freedom of religion. And I am fine with that. But if they believe that and do not live in house without electricity, they ride horses and do not go to the doctor....they are lying to themselves. And I will tell them that.
 

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Evolution is as real as God....because He was behind it.
I guess you engineer things without electricity and computers? Water wheels and horse bridles?

Im not saying evolution is not real I'm saying the "theory of evolution" is false. Sure we see minor evolution within species like Darwins finches but to say that everything evolved from one cell is unfounded.

A cell can only replicate itself, it cannot spawn different cells. That alone debunks the idea of a common ancestor.

Do you realize the ToE is based on hoaxes and frauds? Piltdown man was the first one and now its Lucy. If man did evolve from apes then we should be able to find tons of evidence but no.

The whole idea that we evolved from apes comes from one fraudulent fossil... Lucy

Another problem is that very few people actually understand science and how it's meant to be practiced. There is a massive difference between theoretical and applied sciences.

Applied science is real, theoretical is not
 
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You've got biology on here twice.

Sorry.

Geology and geosciences are 99% the same thing.

As I understand them.....close....not sure about 99% Here ya go...with a little humor...Geology is brown. Earth science and geoscience are the study of geology as well as pollution, food webs, paleontology, habitats, plates, and climate change. It involves all of Earth's dynamic processes, not just those on the crust.

I'd be interested to hear how petrology (the study of rocks) contributes to proving biological evolution in any way.

I think maybe we're extra-zaggerating a bit. Yes?

LOL Ya think?! How does petrology play into this...Have you ever heard gas called petro? Geology is the scientific study of the structure and composition of the earth whereas petrology is a branch of geology that is concerned with the structure, composition, and distribution of rocks. If you have been reading I have mentioned that there is more than one way to date fossils....this is one of the ways that they can date fossils by where they are laying in the surrounding rock and knowing what time period that layer is from.

Petro....whether it is oil or natural gas, it part of the evolutionary story....animals lived and died and covered the earth with dirt... it took billions of years to cover the rock called earth. The oil and natural gas came from plants and animals that lived and died. One way or another a lot of it ties into each other....
 

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Science does not hurt my confidence in Christianity.

I don't know what you DO believe, but you spend a lot of time on this forum belittling people for what you DON'T believe.

Belief, Truth, Facts. I am not sure why you think I belittle people that do not believe like I do that. Are you talking Once Saved Always Saved or Calvinism or Jehovah's Witnesses I am going to stand against heresy....what do expect?

I am multidenominational....and I have a blast with people that do not believe exactly believe like I do. Stand a worship with people that do not exactly believe as I do....In fact, can you find a church where everyone believes exactly the same? Here I debate and I am good at it....well versed. But I do not debate much in the churches. There is no stress in my ministry. Johnny Appleseed of Truth. Plant seeds of Truth and from there it is up to them and God....

Ever experience any humility, or maybe the thought that you just might NOT be right about everything?

Are you saying that I am arrogant? LOL If so....you are the first person to say that to me...LOL Gee I don't know why? LOL

So the brain surgeon has you down on the operating table and he say, I am not sure if this is exactly right but we are going to try it. Humility has it place but not when it is important. We are talking souls here and eternal blessing or eternal damnation. If I did not know I was right, I would not say it. If I do not know, I say I do not know or it is debatable. The neat thing about being knowledgeable is that if someone prove me wrong I am not offended....just something I have learned.

I know the Bible backwards and forwards, I know Christian history, I know the languages and culture, and I have studied the multitudes of denominations and they all have errors, so I am not looking for perfection....more on the lines of love of God.
That is why I can enjoy fellowshipping with all these Christians. What do you need to know to be saved and what do you need to know to love one another and love God. The rest is details....most of which....does not determine if you are going to heaven.

The trick with me...if you debate respectfully with me, I will debate respectfully with you. If not call me on it, I will back down. Sometime I try to shake the tree to get people to think. Christianity is not a religion of non-sense...neither is God.

On this thread we are taking about people that want to selectively deny science....it don't work...alternate reality....their whole life is about living with science and technology....how they are juggling that with such a poor attitude toward science is somewhere between hypocrisy and or delusional.

Still Belief, Truth, Facts. A person that believes that science and technology is all wrong or sinful....That falls under Belief and is Truth to them....the Amish. Freedom of religion. And I am fine with that. But if they believe that and do not live in house without electricity, they ride horses and do not go to the doctor....they are lying to themselves. And I will tell them that.
I guess you've forgotten about your post #81 because you're contradicting a lot of what you said in that post.

If you're pro-science, you are anti-Bible. If you are anti-Bible, you are pro-science. You can't have it both ways. And it's not that science, in itself, is all wrong. It's that what passes for modern science today is almost completely corrupt and loaded with lies and falsehood. Just like the enemy.

You say you know the Bible so well, but you don't like the older versions like the KJV. That's another contradiction. You CAN'T know the Bible well if you prefer NIV's and other modern counterfeits of the Truth. Just because a new Christian can read it easier, doesn't even come close to meaning that what's in it is Truth.

This thread is about Evolution. Evolution is a hoax. Like it or not.

If you believe otherwise, you know NOTHING of the Bible.
 

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Im not saying evolution is not real I'm saying the "theory of evolution" is false. Sure we see minor evolution within species like Darwins finches but to say that everything evolved from one cell is unfounded.

A cell can only replicate itself, it cannot spawn different cells. That alone debunks the idea of a common ancestor.

Do you realize the ToE is based on hoaxes and frauds? Piltdown man was the first one and now its Lucy. If man did evolve from apes then we should be able to find tons of evidence but no.

The whole idea that we evolved from apes comes from one fraudulent fossil... Lucy

Another problem is that very few people actually understand science and how it's meant to be practiced. There is a massive difference between theoretical and applied sciences.

Applied science is real, theoretical is not

I understand the Bible only thing.

A cell can only replicate itself, it cannot spawn different cells. This is wrong...absolutely wrong....a virus can change a cell and changing DNA is the driving force.
And then we get into the debate of evolution and it link to mutations....which I do not believe in.

The whole idea that we evolved from apes comes from one fraudulent fossil... Lucy
Ever since researchers sequenced the chimp genome in 2005, they have known that humans share about 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, making them our closest living relatives.

Another problem is that very few people actually understand science and how it's meant to be practiced. There is a massive difference between theoretical and applied sciences.

There is some truth to this but it in no way discount the fact that evolution happened....the details they, are still investigating....Belief, Truth, Fact....It is a definite fact that George Washington blinked his eyes...we may not be able to prove how many times George Washington blinked his eyes during the day....but we can prove he did....not a theory. In other words there are different levels of confidence in theory and again some not theories as a whole but still investigating the details.