The Pre-Trib Rapture

[Truth7t7]

Let me try this.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

So the day of the Lord is not a literal day. It could be a day, but literally a literal day would encompass a full 24 hours. Therefore there is not literal proof that a literal day of the Lord, is literally a day.

As for the heavens passing away, there will be no more heaven so when they say heaven on earth, that literally means that heaven is on earth. But in all the fire and fervent heat the earth burns up. However, we that are sealed with the seal of protection and now with no earth we drift into space. And space is the last frontier.

Nope. I'm not in your league. You are better at making things up than I am.

The day is a day but it's not a day it's 24 hours and the heavens pass away but don't pass away, etc, etc, etc,

Diversion from my post of truth, your eschatology isn't found in scripture

 

[The Light]

The day is a day but it's not a day it's 24 hours and the heavens pass away but don't pass away, etc, etc, etc,

Diversion from my post of truth, your eschatology isn't found in scripture

Right. I got it. You can make up anything you want and then claim it to be truth. Nice. Try accepting what is written.

 

[Truth7t7]

Right. I got it. You can make up anything you want and then claim it to be truth. Nice. Try accepting what is written.

"Accept What Is Written"

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[The Light]

"Accept What Is Written"

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Yep. That's how it will be in the day of the Lord. Peter tells us about the heavens and earth reserved unto fire. And then he adds one important thing that you can't seem to grasp. I will highlight it for you. Maybe then you will understand that Peter said this for a reason and he emphasized not to be IGNORANT of it. How is it that you are?

2 Peter 3
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yep. That's how it will be in the day of the Lord. Peter tells us about the heavens and earth reserved unto fire. And then he adds one important thing that you can't seem to grasp. I will highlight it for you. Maybe then you will understand that Peter said this for a reason and he emphasized not to be IGNORANT of it. How is it that you are?

2 Peter 3
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Jesus doesn't come at your claimed 6th seal pre-wrath, he returns in fire and final judgement, all men both saved and unsaved will be judged by this fire at his return

The saved will pass through the fire in judgment, receiving eternal glorified bodies, the wicked will be caught in this fire and judged eternally (The Lake Of Fire)

"Accept What Is Written"

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

 

[WPM]

Yep. That's how it will be in the day of the Lord. Peter tells us about the heavens and earth reserved unto fire. And then he adds one important thing that you can't seem to grasp. I will highlight it for you. Maybe then you will understand that Peter said this for a reason and he emphasized not to be IGNORANT of it. How is it that you are?

2 Peter 3
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

What is your point? This is the end of the world, the end of time, and the end of the bondage of corruption.

 

[The Light]

What is your point? This is the end of the world, the end of time, and the end of the bondage of corruption.

What is my point? That's not the question. The question is what was Peter's point?

 

[The Light]

Jesus doesn't come at your claimed 6th seal pre-wrath, he returns in fire and final judgement, all men both saved and unsaved will be judged by this fire at his return

The saved will pass through the fire in judgment, receiving eternal glorified bodies, the wicked will be caught in this fire and judged eternally (The Lake Of Fire)

"Accept What Is Written"

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

2 Peter 3
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[Truth7t7]

2 Peter 3
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The point of 2 Peter 3:8 is showing the human mind, "God is outside of time", there isn't rocket science associated with the interpretation whatsoever

 

[WPM]

What is my point? That's not the question. The question is what was Peter's point?

Please stop avoiding. What do you think is Peter's point?

 

[WPM]

The point of 2 Peter 3:8 is showing the human mind, "God is outside of time", there isn't rocket science associated with the interpretation whatsoever

Exactly. It is simple, accurate and contextual.

 

[The Light]

Please stop avoiding. What do you think is Peter's point?

I'm not sure how Peter can make his point any clearer. It should be obvious.

be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[The Light]

The point of 2 Peter 3:8 is showing the human mind, "God is outside of time", there isn't rocket science associated with the interpretation whatsoever

Or the point is be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Peter point blank tells you NOT TO BE IGNORANT OF THIS ONE THING, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

And you still can't get it. (looks down, shakes head)

 

[Truth7t7]

Or the point is be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Peter point blank tells you NOT TO BE IGNORANT OF THIS ONE THING, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

And you still can't get it. (looks down, shakes head)

Once Again

"Be Not Ignorant Of What Is Posted Below"

The point of 2 Peter 3:8 is showing the human mind, "God is outside of time", there isn't rocket science associated with the interpretation whatsoever

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[Truth7t7]

Exactly. It is simple, accurate and contextual.

It's a magical interpretation, all knowing in proclaimed truth?

The very reason why the poster is silent on a direct response, after our many post's, because the wool can't be pulled over our eye's, it's that simple

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[WPM]

I'm not sure how Peter can make his point any clearer. It should be obvious.

be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

I agree! It is very clear: Peter makes clear that there is absolutely no uncertainty over the realization of the Lord’s “promise” to return. He affirms: “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise.” Essentially God will assuredly keep His Word. Peter also reminds us that time is nothing with God (“beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day”). 2,000 years might be long to us but they are but a blink to God. This is an important truth that many tend to forget. Peter then reminds the ignorant of one of the character traits of God toward man: He “is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

The focus of this message is speaking about the sudden and unexpected destruction that the end-time-cynics experience upon Christ’s appearing. The teaching explains how these fools deny Christ, despise His Word and scorn the likelihood of His return. The near 2,000 years that has already elapsed since our Lord’s first Advent is used as a basis for their mocking. They use this supposed delay as an opportunity to propagate their foolishness. 2 Peter 3 makes clear, those that would consider this as an opportunity for scorn will be swiftly and assuredly caught in their only folly at His coming. Like the wicked locked outside the ark and the iniquitous left behind in Sodom, the end-time scoffers will be punished for their scoffing. These evildoers will be exposed when Christ returns and pours out His wrath upon them.

The day of wrath comes with Christ’s appearing, the day when the rebellion of man will finally be brought to an end. Those that have despised God’s great offer of mercy in life will then face the awful consequence for their error. They have only succeeded in accumulating wrath “against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God.” Christ comes to judge the righteous and the wicked, the living and the dead at His appearing. The day of opportunity is finally over.

 

[bbyrd009]

“be afraid, be very afraid”

 

[amadeus]

“be afraid, be very afraid”

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction." Prov 1:7

"The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate." Prov 8:13

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." Prov 9:10

 

[bbyrd009]

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction." Prov 1:7

"The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate." Prov 8:13

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." Prov 9:10

hey, beginnings are great, not meaning to dis beginnings lol
there is no fear in love

 

[amadeus]

hey, beginnings are great, not meaning to dis beginnings lol
there is no fear in love

Too often it seems to me people get stuck at the beginning and/or may even lose what they had in the beginning:

"For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath." Matt 13:12