The Popular False Justification and False Sanctification View Today.

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...because faith that does not change a person is not a genuine faith.
If faith doesn't leave footprints, it isn't genuine faith. It's a fake faith. That person is unconverted.

So then a faith that lives itself out does not remain as faith alone.
Faith alone that continues on in the life of the believer does not save.
Therefore, one needs works of faith added into the equation to show their faith. No works means they have either chosen to fall away (reject Jesus), or they were deceived the deceitfulness of sin (or laziness or simply refusing to do the work), or they were never born again to begin with.

Remember, in the parable of the sower, the riches and the cares of this life can choke the Word, etcetera.

 

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...because faith that does not change a person is not a genuine faith.
If faith doesn't leave footprints, it isn't genuine faith. It's a fake faith. That person is unconverted.

It cannot be faith alone that saves if works of faith is what is needed to show a true faith. For you don’t believe a person can live out their faith without works and be saved. Therefore, works of faith are necessary as a part of salvation. If works of faith are not a part of salvation, then you can live out your faith under faith alone without works and be saved.

 

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@Ferris Bueller

Why would John the Baptist warn us about how the axe is laid to the root of the tree and then he says that we must bring forth fruits worthy of repentance? This sound like to me that if we don’t take action to do good works that are truly worthy to God, then we will be chopped down.

 

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When I was saved I came to realize that my sins nailed Christ on that Cross. I began to develop a hatred for sin.

Judas hated that he betrayed the Lord, but that did not lead him to a godly sorrow to seek forgiveness with the Lord.

All Christians will hate sin when they learn the price God paid because of it.

To truly hate sin is to put it away.

We don't want to sin, but when we do being that we are fallen man, we have remorse and ask for forgiveness.

But with no desire to change in being reformed means one is not really sorry. Again, it would be like a man who cheats on his wife, and says he is sorry to her, and yet he believes he will never stop. In this case, he is not truly sorry. Only if he stops and he expresses a great sorrow over what he did and he tries to make amends is the proof in the pudding that he is sorry.

You make it sound as though we have no care that we sin, that is one of your many misconceptions. But you believe what you believe and no one can show you any different.

I believe only God can set you free from the deceptions of Protestantism. I believe right now you are in too deep to be able to see what the Word I share with you says. Only God can radically change your perspective and approach to God’s Word.

 

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We can argue the definition of 'faith' vs. the definition of 'works'. But the point here is works of faith do not secure what you already have through faith in God's forgiveness all by itself.

Abraham is our example. He did not do anything to receive the righteousness that comes from God. He was circumcised as the sign of THE RIGHTEOUSNESS HE ALREADY HAD by faith. The work of circumcision is not the point. The point is he did NOTHING to receive the righteousness that is from God. Instead he believed God and received the righteousness that is from God. His work thereafter confirming the righteousness he already had by faith:

"11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:" Romans 4:11

"21And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22And therefore it (his faith, not his faith + work) was imputed to him for righteousness. 23Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;" Romans 4:21-24​

Uh, not true.

While Christians today are not under the command of circumcision like Abraham and the Israelites in the OT were, we do learn in Genesis 17:14 that it was a requirement for them. So much so in fact that if they were not circumcised their souls would be cut off from his people, and they would have broken God’s covenant.

Genesis 17:14 says:
“And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.”

 

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We can argue the definition of 'faith' vs. the definition of 'works'. But the point here is works of faith do not secure what you already have through faith in God's forgiveness all by itself.

Abraham is our example. He did not do anything to receive the righteousness that comes from God. He was circumcised as the sign of THE RIGHTEOUSNESS HE ALREADY HAD by faith. The work of circumcision is not the point. The point is he did NOTHING to receive the righteousness that is from God. Instead he believed God and received the righteousness that is from God. His work thereafter confirming the righteousness he already had by faith:

"11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:" Romans 4:11

"21And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22And therefore it (his faith, not his faith + work) was imputed to him for righteousness. 23Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;" Romans 4:21-24​

Works of faith = Faith.
Faith is what makes us to access the saving grace of God.

 

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The Two Sides of the Coin of Faith:

The 1st Side of the Coin of Faith:

Faith starts off as a belief or trust in Jesus Christ as one's Savior (John 3:16). We are first saved by God's grace through faith without the deeds of the law or works ALONE (Ephesians 2:8-9). We are saved initially and foundationally by God's grace and mercy like the receiving of a gift. We believe that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later for our salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). We call upon the name of the Lord seeking forgiveness with Him (Romans 10:13, Luke 18:9-14). We receive or invite Christ into our life (John 1:12, Revelation 3:20). If a believer stumbles into sin on rare occasion, they do not do a good work to redeem that sin; But they go to God's grace by confessing their sins to Jesus Christ in order to be forgiven of it (See: 1 John 1:9, 1 John 2:1, Hebrews 4:16). This is all a part of how we are saved by God's grace through faith. No man can save themselves by Works Alone without God's grace. Many people who believe in God, and yet they have not accepted Jesus as their Savior think that God will outweigh their good deeds over their bad deeds. Salvation does not work like that. For they do not realize that their bad deeds will condemn them. They need to have their past slate of sins wiped out. This is where God's grace through faith in Jesus comes in.

But faith does not end with being saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

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The 2nd Side of the Coin of Faith:

#1. Faith manifests itself with the “work of faith” mentioned by the apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 1:3, and 2 Thessalonians 1:11. Protestants seem to separate works from faith in a way that goes beyond how James describes them. Yet, the apostle Paul mentions that there is a “work of faith.” The Bible talks about the “work of the Lord” (1 Corinthians 15:58) (1 Corinthians 16:10), and I imagine if I asked a Protestant Christian if the “work” within the “work of the Lord” is separate from “the Lord,” they most likely would say they are not separated. But when it comes to the “work of faith,” they will say that works and faith are separate things (Which in my view is not being consistent or honest with oneself).

#2. The word “faithful” is also mentioned 54 times in the New Testament King James Bible. The dictionary defines faithful as:

Faithful:
(adjective):

1. true to one's word, promises, vows, etc.
2. steady in allegiance or affection; loyal; constant: faithful friends.
3. reliable, trusted, or believed.
4. strict or thorough in the performance of duty: a faithful worker.
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Source:
Definition of faithful | Dictionary.com

This definition is supported by the context in many verses in the Bible. It does not take a detective to figure out that the word “faithful” derives from the word “faith.” They are related and connected to each other. A person is loyal (or faithful) to their master based on their faith in him in what he says. For example: 2 Thessalonians 3:3 says, “But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.” So the Lord is said to be faithful in this verse. How is the Lord faithful? Is it by a belief alone? No. The Lord is faithful to strengthening us (or in establishing us) to keep us from evil. The Lord does something when He is faithful. Revelation 2:10 says to a particular church, “be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” Many Protestants have tried to come up with tricky ways to not apply this verse to their own life. I believe they do not accept what this verse plainly says because it contradicts their “Faith Alone” teaching that was handed down to them from Martin Luther (the founder of Protestantism).

#3. Romans 10:17. It says,

“So then faith cometh by hearing,
and hearing by the word of God.”
(Romans 10:17).
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How do we get our faith? According to Romans 10:17, we get our faith by hearing the Word of God. I believe that the “Word of God” can refer to either Jesus, and or the Bible (depending on the context) (Note: See this thread here to see the connection in Scripture between the Living Word and the Bible). Anyways, in this particular instance in Romans 10:17: I believe the “Word of God” refers to the words of Jesus (which are found in the Holy Bible). We must receive the words of Jesus because if we do not, His words will judge us on the last day (See: John 12:48). This would also include the words of His apostles, as well. For Jesus says, “He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.” (Matthew 10:40). So faith is basically everything in my New Testament because it gives us an account of the words of Jesus and His followers. We get our faith by believing and obeying what Jesus and His apostles said. Faith is everything in your New Testament, and faith is not just a belief alone in Jesus.

#4. Hebrews 11.
Hebrews 11 gives us an account of what faith does. “By faith Noah, ... prepared an ark to the saving of his house;...” (Hebrews 11:7). “By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:” (Hebrews 11:17). “By faith Moses, ... refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;” (Hebrews 11:24-25). So by faith, the great men of God obeyed God and or put forth holy actions (or the “work of faith”). So in Hebrews 11, the word “faith” is used to represent something a believer does. This faith also rejects sin in one's life, for Moses suffered with the affliction of God's people rather than enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season.

#5. Peter failed to continue to walk on the water (Which is a work of God).
What was the reason why Peter later failed to continue to walk on the water? Jesus said, “O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?” (Matthew 14:31). This again proves that the work of God that can operate in our life is tied to our faith. For in Ephesians 2:9 it refers to Man Directed Works ALONE Salvationism (without God's grace) because it is the kind of work that a man would boast in himself by doing it. But Ephesians 2:10 talks about an entirely different kind of work. It is the work of God done through the believer. These are the works that we are created unto Christ Jesus to do. They are the works of God done through us. For Jesus said we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5). For it is God who works in us to do of His good will and pleasure (Philippians 2:13). So any good we do, all praise, glory, thanks, and honor is given to our Lord Jesus Christ and or to the glorious Trinity (or Godhead).​

 

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#6. Paul also mentions that there is an “obedience to the faith" (or obedience of faith) at the beginning and end of the book of Romans (See: Romans 1:5, Romans 16:26). Romans 6 says,

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Romans 6:16).
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So we have to have obedience unto righteousness. For Romans 6 also says, “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22). So our obedience unto righteousness is being servants of God and having fruit unto holiness with having the end of everlasting life. This is all a part of the obedience to the faith. There is no such thing as the disobedience of the faith. For Ephesians 5 says, “But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.” (Ephesians 5:3-6).

#7. John 3:36 (The Greek word “apeitheō” used in John 3:36 for the English words: “believeth not” (KJB) is translated as “obey not” or “disobedient” in other English bible verses. For example: 1 Peter 3:1, and 1 Peter 3:20 translates apeitheō as “obey not” or “disobedient” and it is used context to being disobedient in regards to one’s righteous conduct (Whereas John 3:36 is translated as believeth not” in the King James Bible). Some translations render the KJB’s John 3:36 “believeth not" as “obey not” in other Translations (NLT, ESV, BLB, NASB, ASV, EXB, GNT). In other words, sometimes the words “believeth not” is synonymous with “obey not” (depending on the context). In fact, you can check this Greek word for yourself and it's usage here at BlueLetterBible.

G544 - apeitheō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)
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#8. Works makes a person’s faith perfect (James 2:22).

This connects in with 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Doctrine and instruction in righteousness is profitable so that the man of God may be perfect unto all good works. Anyways, the point here is that your faith is perfected by works. Thus, this shows us that there is a symbiotic relationship between faith and works that cannot be separated.

#9. 2 Corinthians 5:7 says: “We walk by faith.” So faith is not something whereby you do nothing but believe. We are to walk by faith. Walking is an action.

#10. Examine whether you be in the faith - 2 Corinthians 13:5. How do we do this? Well, this is by proving Christ is in you. How can we show that we know the Lord? By keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3). However, the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commands is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4). So keeping His commands is tied to knowing the Lord, and knowing the Lord is in us is a part of our examination of whether we are in the faith or not (2 Corinthians 13:5).

#11. Galatians 5:6 says, “faith which worketh by love.”
Paul says in context within Galatians:

“For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” (Galatians 5:13-14).
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So faith works by love. It works in love by loving one another. Faith is not just a belief alone.

#12. Philippians 2:17 talks about “the service of your faith.” Service is a form of work. So our faith will have service or work attached. So there is no faith that is alone or remains as a belief alone. True faith will have it's service.

#13. 2 Thessalonians 3:2 says, “And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.” This is suggesting that faith is not a belief alone whereby we can live wickedly. For it says that we may be delivered from wicked men for (because) all men have not faith. So the opposite of wickedness is holiness. So this verse is implying indirectly that our good and moral conduct is tied to the faith.

#14. 1 Timothy 5:8 says, “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” An infidel is an unbeliever. If faith is exclusively a belief alone then how can a person deny the faith by their misconduct?

#15. 1 Timothy 6:12 says, “Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life,” We have to FIGHT the good fight of faith in order to lay hold on eternal life. So faith is something we have to fight for and it is not a belief alone.

#16. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 describes those who have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. They are lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. These types are said to be reprobate concerning the faith (See: 2 Timothy 3:8). So faith is not a belief alone in Jesus whereby one’s conduct is not in line with true godliness.

#17. James 2:1 says, “My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.” This means faith is not a belief alone in Jesus, but it also includes one’s actions in not neglecting to love the poor brethren while one shows favor to the rich brethren.

#18. Jude says:

“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Jude 1:3-4).
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Verse 3 says that we are to contend for the faith and verse 4 says there are certain ungodly men who turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness. Meaning, they are teaching that a person can sin and still be saved by God’s grace. But we are told to contend for the faith.

#19. Revelation 13:10 says,

“Anyone who is destined for prison will be taken to prison.
Anyone destined to die by the sword will die by the sword.
This means that God’s holy people must endure
persecution patiently and remain faithful.”
(Revelation 13:10) (NLT).

“He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity:
he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.
Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”
(Revelation 13:10 (KJB).
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In other words, this is saying that believers can sometimes go to prison and or be killed as a part of the faith (or in being faithful, i.e. the faith).

#20. Faith without works is dead (James 2:17). Can a dead faith save anyone?

#21. We are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). The same word “justified" is used for both faith and works. Most Christians will not argue against how we are justified by faith in regards to salvation. But this same word “justified" is used in reference for works, too.

#22. James says he will show you his faith by his works (James 2:18).
For James says,

“Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith,
and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works,
and I will shew thee my faith by my works.”
(James 2:18).
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James appears to criticize the person who has faith without works by saying show me your faith without works, and I will show my faith by my works. This means faith and works are tied together because works is how one shows their faith.
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So in conclusion:

Faith is like a coin that has two sides to it. The first side of the coin of faith is trusting or believing in God's grace and seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus and believing the gospel, and the second side (or other side) of the coin of faith is the “work of faith.” (that is a part of the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit that helps us to live a holy life).

“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" (Hebrews 12:14).

“And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" (Hebrews 5:9).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” (Titus 1:16).

 

[Charlie24]

Judas hated that he betrayed the Lord, but that did not lead him to a godly sorrow to seek forgiveness with the Lord.



To truly hate sin is to put it away.



But with no desire to change in being reformed means one is not really sorry. Again, it would be like a man who cheats on his wife, and says he is sorry to her, and yet he believes he will never stop. In this case, he is not truly sorry. Only if he stops and he expresses a great sorrow over what he did and he tries to make amends is the proof in the pudding that he is sorry.



I believe only God can set you free from the deceptions of Protestantism. I believe right now you are in too deep to be able to see what the Word I share with you says. Only God can radically change your perspective and approach to God’s Word.

You and I will put away sin altogether at the resurrection, when we are made perfect. Until then, whether you will admit it or not, you and I are with sin!

We don't want to be, but we are fallen man. That is reality!

 

[Robert Gwin]

Faith without works is dead. That's what the Bible plainly says. What various Christian denominations get wrong is they believe the works that accompany faith are what makes a person pass from death to life. They think that's what converts them and makes them born again. Not knowing that faith in God's forgiveness, all by itself, does that before you ever lift a finger to walk in the righteousness you have received by faith all by itself.

I have explained it simply to the best of my ability sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

No, I don't think that. Because of this:

"32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven" Matthew 12:32​

I don't think, for example, that people who don't believe Christ is God are automatically condemned for not believing that.

How bout worshipping Christ instead of the one who anointed him? If you reject Jesus teachings to worship and serve Jehovah exclusively, then why would you expect salvation? Mat 4:10

 

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You and I will put away sin altogether at the resurrection, when we are made perfect.

There are few things quite erroneous about this statement.

Firstly Adam, Eve, Satan, and some of the Angels sinned. They weren’t perfect?

Secondly why do the scriptures tell us to be perfect now?

Matthew 5:48
2 Corinthians 13:11
Philippians 3:15

This “trapped in sin” doctrine is a by-product of Once Saved Always Saved.

Embraced by all who let sin reign in their mortal bodies. This is unbiblical conduct (Romans 6:12).

 

[Robert Gwin]

I know that one must be converted to be saved. And I know conversion occurs the moment one receives God's forgiveness through Christ, not after an appropriate amount of righteous works are completed.

I fully agree that if the individual died right there on the spot after sincerely accepting God. Are you aware of the account found at: (Hebrews 5:11-14) . . .you have become dull in your hearing. 12 For although by now you should be teachers, you again need someone to teach you from the beginning the elementary things of the sacred pronouncements of God, and you have gone back to needing milk, not solid food. 13 For everyone who continues to feed on milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a young child. 14 But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their powers of discernment trained to distinguish both right and wrong.

Christians sign on for an eternity sir, and we will progress in our faith until at the very least we will grow to perfection. As an opinion I don't think the growth will stop there Ecc 3:11

 

[mailmandan]

You and I will put away sin altogether at the resurrection, when we are made perfect. Until then, whether you will admit it or not, you and I are with sin!

We don't want to be, but we are fallen man. That is reality!

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8-10)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8-10)

1. You have an Antichrist attitude in suggesting only Christ can do the works he did, in direct contradiction to John 14:12.

2. Scripture citation:

“For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” (Ecclesiastes 7:20)

Yes, until Christ came to take sin away (John 1:29) and give us power to be the sons of God (John 1:12) who cannot sin (1 John 3:9) after confession and belief (1 John 1:9).

3. Scripture citation:

“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23)

Perhaps you missed the past tense word “have”. Because once you are converted and born again the same book of Romans contains this scripture:

“Shall we continue in sin…? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” (Romans 6:1-2)

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Romans 6:16)

So @mailmandan if you are still sinning as a Christian your works bear witness against you that you are the servant of sin unto death.

3. Scripture citation:

1 John 1:8-10

You missed verse 9:

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

The declarations of verse 8 and 10 apply to those who do not confess and get born again.

Now what @mailmandan will do next is just contradicting and gainsay with big words and theological “tech” talk. He may dabble a little in Greek grammar ramblings as well. Because folks of his persuasion don’t have a complete and reliable Bible: it’s too plain and simple and fails to support their man made doctrines put together with fleshly wisdom.

 

[mailmandan]

1. You have an Antichrist attitude in suggesting only Christ can do the works he did, in direct contradiction to John 14:12.

2. Scripture citation:

“For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” (Ecclesiastes 7:20)

Yes, until Christ came to take sin away (John 1:29) and give us power to be the sons of God (John 1:12) who cannot sin (1 John 3:9) after confession and belief (1 John 1:19).

3. Scripture citation:

“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23)

Perhaps you missed the past tense word “have”. Because once you are converted and born again the same book of Romans contains this scripture:

“Shall we continue in sin…? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” (Romans 6:1-2)

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Romans 6:16)

So @mailmandan if you are still sinning as a Christian your works bear witness against you that you are the servant of sin unto death.

3. Scripture citation:

1 John 1:8-10

You missed verse 9:

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

The declarations of verse 8 and 10 apply to those who do not confess and get born again.

Now what @mailmandan will do next is just contradicting and gainsay with big words and theological “tech” talk. He may dabble a little in Greek grammar ramblings as well. Because folks of his persuasion don’t have a complete and reliable Bible: it’s too plain and simple and fails to support their man made doctrines put together with fleshly wisdom.

The scriptures do not support your heretical doctrine of 'sinless perfection.' You need to stop deliberately twisting the scriptures.

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, because God’s seed [His principle of life, the essence of His righteous character] remains [permanently] in him [who is born again—who is reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose]; and he [who is born again] cannot habitually [live a life characterized by] sin, because he is born of God and longs to please Him. (AMP)

Doeth no sin (amartian ou poiei). Linear present active indicative as in verse I John 3:4 like amartanei in verse I John 3:8. The child of God does not have the habit of sin.

His seed (sperma autou). God's seed, "the divine principle of life" (Vincent). Cf. John 1.

And he cannot sin (kai ou dunatai amartanein). This is a wrong translation, for this English naturally means "and he cannot commit sin" as if it were kai ou dunatai amartein or amarthsai (second aorist or first aorist active infinitive). The present active infinitive amartaneincan only mean "and he cannot go on sinning," as is true of amartaneiin verse I John 3:8 and amartanwn in verse I John 3:6. For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see amarthte and amarth in I John 2:1. A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of amartanein here. Paul has precisely John's idea in Romans 6:1 epimenwmen th amartiai (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with amarthswmen in Romans 6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive).

1 John 3:9 (KJV) - Robertson's Word Pictures (NT).

Romans 6:1 - What shall we say [to all this]? Should we continue in sin and practice sin as a habit so that [God’s gift of] grace may increase and overflow? 2 Certainly not! How can we, the very ones who died to sin, continue to live in it any longer? (AMP)

In regards to Romans 6:16, there are only two kinds of servants in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants of sin unto death, or servants of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness." Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

Do you claim to be 100% without any sin, like Christ, from moment to moment 24/7..

Yes.

Guilty as charged! (1 John 1:8-10) If sinless perfection were true, then John never would have stated in 1 John 2:1 - these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

Any man not born of God @mailmandan

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9)

Because:

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10)

You have been thoroughly refuted.

Stop doing the works of your father:

“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (John 8:44)

Change course fast @mailmandan

 

[Michiah-Imla]

See how @mailmandan has to run to the perverted modern Bibles to desperately hold on to sin?

Guess who the father and inspirer of those modern translations are…

 

[mailmandan]

Any man not born of God @mailmandan

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9)

Because:

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10)

You have been thoroughly refuted.

Stop doing the works of your father:

“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (John 8:44)

Change course fast @mailmandan

Oh the irony. It's no surprise you were banned from Christian Chat for promoting heresy. Only the Lord can open your eyes to the truth. All I can do is continue to pray for you.

 

[mailmandan]

See how @mailmandan has to run to the perverted modern Bibles to desperately hold on to sin?

Guess who the father and inspirer of those modern translations are…

I can see that the KJV only cult has really done a number on you.