The Resurrection is for all people (thank you Yeshua!)

[MatthewG]

Okay, so are you saying that that you believe in resurrection to eternal punishment? That's pretty much in line with what mainstream Christianity teaches, so you're not being too radical there.

(Actually, it's those with empathy and a heart of compassion (such as I see in yourself) who can't bear what God will give them for punishment.)

That is alright, you can't really see my heart because sometimes (the sin inside) it can be very mean and hateful to other people. Just must make the decision to look to the Father in heaven and to the light of his son, and live by the Holy Spirit.

You continue to question me, but never took time to answer my questions... I am glad I can't see anyones heart for real.

 

[MatthewG]

The fact is, all of our Christian discussions are necessary and helpful. The mind of Christ, that is within us, is NOT OUR mind. Unfortunately, when we attempt to convey HIS thoughts with others, our human mind gets in the way.
Each of us, who are born again, are reflecting the light of Christ within us, as the moon reflects the light of the sun.
Did you notice that the moon is DEAD? Of course you did, and that's how we are to be in relation to God.
Rom.6[11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin [within you], but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
"The natural man" and our mind is nothing but sin, being exceedingly sinful.

Edit:
1Cor.2[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Unfortunately, not many are utilizing His mind, but instead have traded it off for the doctrines of men.
Ephesians 4[22] That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
[23] And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
[24] And that ye put on the new man [mind of Christ], which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Thank you for posting this.

Reminds me of what Paul stated in Colossians :

12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.

15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

That is talking about the New Jerusalem but many people are looking for literal application.

hmmm…so the new Jerusalem would…come down from heaven with a remade mt of olives, and then afterward the mt of olives would split in two?I don’t know, doesn’t make sense to me, but I think I might have covid so I’m a little queasy and foggy in mind right now.
But none of the systematic eschatologies have seemed completely right to me in their complete form. I think there’s things all of them are missing that make them incomplete. Even the one I lean most toward sometimes tries to jam verses where they won’t jam into. I honestly think all of them have a piece or pieces that are right and pieces that are wrong.

 

[Earburner]

Hope you’re satisfied now. Cause we went over it all

Maybe, maybe not.:)
Did you happen to read what I posted several posts back, about the three appearances of Christ?
I do believe it just might be what you and all are "seeking" to fully comprehend.

As I have said, our salvation/resurrection is a two stage process.
First we are spiritually resurrected (quickened), and then upon the Lord's "third" appearance, we are indeed physically resurrected into the immortality of Christ's likeness.

Most here truly are not understanding Who it is, that IS the First Resurrection.
Therefore, they have misconstrued their understanding of what it really means by the following words:
Blessed and holy is he that HATH [has] part [now] in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power**, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Unfortunately, before Christians allow the first part of that verse to digest, through the mind of Christ, the human mind races ahead of it, and latches on to the latter part, and THEN the former is filtered through the latter, for the interpretation of their understanding, being that of the doctrines of men.

**Note: 1 John 5:12-13

 

[MatthewG]

hmmm…so the new Jerusalem would…come down from heaven with a remade mt of olives, and then afterward the mt of olives would split in two?I don’t know, doesn’t make sense to me, but I think I might have covid so I’m a little queasy and foggy in mind right now.
But none of the systematic eschatologies have seemed completely right to me in their complete form. I think there’s things all of them are missing that make them incomplete. Even the one I lean most toward sometimes tries to jam verses where they won’t jam into. I honestly think all of them have a piece or pieces that are right and pieces that are wrong.

Get to feeling better.

These types of discussions can take a toll on a person.

What would a Hebrew expect when Zechariah mentioned the mountain being split in two? I don’t know personally but I try not to get to caught up in the “whole futurism thing” perhaps if I can find a suitable answer I’ll share it.

Perhaps if the new heavenly Jerusalem has a mount of olives, wouldn’t technically since the establishment of the kingdom have an application for a earthly mountain of olives and a heavenly mountain of olives?

I don’t know up for people to decide we all have to live on this earth by heavenly means.

Fleshly vs the spiritual.

Either way hope you get better.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Okay, thank you sharing. If anyone wants to know what they teach they should join and go see for themselves, but shouldn’t try impose their beliefs on anyone but they can learn whatever it is they have to offer first hand, Jane. What do they call the Church now has it changed in the past few years?

Amen!

The Church’s name is (and has been since the 1800’s) the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

 

[MatthewG]

Maybe, maybe not.:)
Did you happen to read what I posted several posts back, about the three appearances of Christ?
I do believe it just might be what you and all are "seeking" to fully comprehend.

As I have said, our salvation/resurrection is a two stage process.
First we are spiritually resurrected (quickened), and then upon the Lord's "third" appearance, we are indeed physically resurrected into the immortality of Christ's likeness.

Most here truly are not understanding Who it is, that IS the First Resurrection.
Therefore, they have misconstrued their understanding of what it really means by the following words:
Blessed and holy is he that HATH [has] part [now] in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power**, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Unfortunately, before Christians allow the first part of that verse to digest, through the mind of Christ, the human mind races ahead of it, and latches on to the latter part, and THEN the former is filtered through the latter, for the interpretation of their understanding, being that of the doctrines of men.

**Note: 1 John 5:12-13

Nothing here make sense can you share with me the post you had made about the three appearances and I’ll take time to read it when I get back home.

 

[MatthewG]

Here is something about the mountain of olives

Zechariah 14 Fulfilled: A Preterist Commentary | Revelation Revolution

 

[Earburner]

hmmm…so the new Jerusalem would…come down from heaven with a remade mt of olives, and then afterward the mt of olives would split in two?I don’t know, doesn’t make sense to me, but I think I might have covid so I’m a little queasy and foggy in mind right now.
But none of the systematic eschatologies have seemed completely right to me in their complete form. I think there’s things all of them are missing that make them incomplete. Even the one I lean most toward sometimes tries to jam verses where they won’t jam into. I honestly think all of them have a piece or pieces that are right and pieces that are wrong.

You are absolutely correct!
I urge you also to read what I have posted about the Lord's three appearances. At first your natural mind will be opposed to it, simply because it is not what you have been programmed by "church-ianity" to hear. Let it digest.

 

[MatthewG]

Yes, I know that you believe that Jesus spiritually came back, showing that 70AD was the evidence of His return.
No offense, but your thinking is just as much incomplete, as those who are "looking for" Jesus to physically appear, in what they think is the second coming.

But, just so you know, I also believe that Jesus came back/returned spiritually, and in a way that most all DO KNOW about, but don't understand it, because "CHURCH-IANITY" has derailed them from thinking it through.

I trust that you have heard me say that OUR salvation is a two stage process.
So, for a few brief moments, please hear me out, and try to digest it through His Spirit. Please pay particular attention to that which I have hi-lited in red.

Before we can be physically resurrected, we must be spiritually quickened (made alive to God).
Now, I am going to ask you to divorce yourself from your mind, and put on the Mind of Christ who is within you, because what is going to be revealed through me, is not currently in the visible churches at all, that I know of, however I am sure that I am not the only one thinking about it. Here it is:

Many are being led astray by the term "The Second Coming", when in reality THAT coming of Jesus will be "The Third appearance of Jesus".
Let that digest.

1. First appearance in the likeness of our flesh.
Luke 2:4-14. [10] And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
[11] For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
[12] And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

2. Second appearance in the Spirit, aka the Holy Spirit. John 3:7, John 14:18, Romans 8:8-9, Revelation 3:20.
Hebrews 9[28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look ["seek"] for him shall he appear the second time without sin UNTO salvation. See Luke 11:9-13 for understanding.

3. Third appearance in the physical Glory of Flaming fire, in the Glory of His Immortality.
2 Thessalonians 1[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] When he shall come to be Glorified IN his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Edit: I repeat: John 14:18
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I try not to get to caught up in the “whole futurism thing”

That’s good. It’s fine to talk about it and try to see where some verses don’t fit in one or more of the systematic eschatologies. It’s good to find verses that make you question if what men teach might not be the whole thing it claims to be.
But it shouldn’t be our main focus. Learning to let go and just trust more and more radically should be our main focus because it’s not a race of endtimes views - it’s a race to trust and stop stumbling in trust.

 

[MatthewG]

@Earburner

I believe Jesus done returned psychically.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You are absolutely correct!
I urge you also to read what I have posted about the Lord's three appearances. At first your natural mind will be opposed to it, simply because it is not what you have been programmed by "church-ianity" to hear. Let it digest.

I am willing to read it. Where can I find it?

 

[MatthewG]

That’s good. It’s fine to talk about it and try to see where some verses don’t fit in one or more of the systematic eschatologies. It’s good to find verses that make you question if what men teach might not be the whole thing it claims to be.
But it shouldn’t be our main focus. Learning to let go and just trust more and more radically should be our main focus because it’s not a race of endtimes views - it’s a race to trust and stop stumbling in trust.

The point is for me the end times are over.

Also the thing is it’s not possible to go over all the details in a proper manner which requires proper introduction, and a verse by verse study.

It’s literally impossible to do that here.

All people have an end date with death that looms in the very back of their mind.

To be right with the Lord and to Love God and to Love others is our main focus.

Be encouraged to drink water, and eat some chicken noodle soup.

 

[MatthewG]

I am willing to read it. Where can I find it?

Post number 330

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Be encouraged to drink water, and eat some chicken noodle soup.

What a good brother! :)

 

[Earburner]

MattG,
In my previous post above ^, you commented on it, but your comment revealed that you didn't digest it.
Your words simply told me that you only acknowledged it, being not willing to discuss it, or maybe you didn't have time.

 

[MatthewG]

In my previous post above, you commented on it, but your comment revealed that you didn't digest it.
Your words simply told me that you only acknowledge it, being not willing to discuss it.

Revelation 1:1-7.

There is a starting point.

 

[MatthewG]

You realize it’s impossible to have a proper study when people just quote here a verse there a verse and just make it literally applicable for todays time when it’s intellectually dishonest to do so? @Earburner. This might take a moment to sink in but all those people who were written to in that day in age where waiting to see his glorious return.

 

[MatthewG]

I can’t say John was really pussy-footing around, about the things he wrote about to those people in that day age. My friend and brother @Earburner, just like Jesus wasn’t pussy-footing around about when the time would come in a generation.