The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

[Michiah-Imla]

I love the Law —— what I Hate is the MISUSE of the Law.....as if “ keeping it” was God’s Plan for Salvation....it ain’t.

Well if you love Christ you will keep it. Which means the commandments are part of the plan. The problem was getting the perfect sacrifice to take away sin, not take away the law.

“If ye love me, keep my commandments.” (John 14:15)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

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The Laws was given to make us “SHUT UP” in regard to keeping it

God executed many of His people in the Old Testament by the hand of other nations for not keeping them.

Remember that.

The next punishment is the lake of fire for those taking these things lightly.

 

[mailmandan]

what a joke.

Your fight is useless. You will not convince people who trust God to repent and return to trusting self again

Amen! That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works "neither at the front door or the back door" (Ephesians 2:8,9) is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human PRIDE will not allow works-salvationists to trust in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Their hands are full of their works and they will not let go in order to receive Christ through faith.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

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I am reminded of pauls words

are you so FOOLISH having begun in the spirit (faith) are you now being perfected in the flesh (works)

More little league comments from those who aught to know better.

That scripture you are paraphrasing was a rebuke towards these works:

“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” (Galatians 5:2)

“Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.” (Galatians 4:10)

So get your arguments straight EG.

Are you so foolish to suggest that Paul was rebuking the Galatians for observing the moral works of the law?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

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From beginning to end salvation is through faith and is not by works. (Ephesians 2:8; 1 Peter 1:9)

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you…” (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

It’s conditional @mailmandan on you keeping these things PAST TENSE!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Amen! That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works "neither at the front door or the back door" (Ephesians 2:8,9) is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human PRIDE will not allow works-salvationists to trust in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Their hands are full of their works and they will not let go in order to receive Christ through faith.

once again.

paul calls those who believe initial salvation is in the spirit and must be perfected in the flesh (works) fools..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

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More little league comments from those who aught to know better.

That scripture you are paraphrasing was a rebuke towards these works:

“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” (Galatians 5:2)

“Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.” (Galatians 4:10)

So get your arguments straight EG.

Are you so foolish to suggest that Paul was rebuking the Galatians for observing the moral works of the law?

a work is a work is a work my friend.

Paul said perfect in the FLESH

he did not name works

But hey, if you think YOUR WORK will save you. feel free.

Good luck

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The Legalists That Love to trot these verses out take them out of Context.....

they pay NO attention to the verses that precede or follow them

You’ve got some nerve BB.

I called you out for this very thing in posts #91 and #92 in this very thread and you just ignored them.

The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

 

[mailmandan]

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“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you…” (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

It’s conditional @mailmandan on you keeping these things PAST TENSE!

You forgot to highlight the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God in 1 Corinthians 6:9. It's the unrighteous who practice such sins and not the righteous. (Galatians 5:19-21; 1 John 3:9) Such were some of you while in their unrighteous state BUT you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. How did this happen? Through sinless perfection? NO. Through faith in Christ. (Romans 5:1)

 

[Behold]

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The next punishment is the lake of fire for those taking these things lightly.

The Lake of Fire is only for Christ Rejectors, who have never been born again.
THere are no Christ Rejectors in Heaven.
There are no Believers in Hell.

 

[Behold]

Well if you love Christ you will keep it. )

If you love Christ then you will love the Grace of God, and you wont be found obsessing on the Law or trying to keep commandments, vs, trusting in Christ alone for Salvation.

 

[Behold]

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“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? !

Ive noticed that novice religious people, do not understand that the verse you quoted has a context.
Its this.. the UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.....
See that?
And who is the unrighteous? Its everyone who is this..... John 3:36.

And who is the RIGHTEOUS? Its everyone who is born again.

Bloodbought, understands this perfectly.
You, however, dont have a clue, as you are trying to pretend that you can by your lifestyle be as Holy as God.
Your "error of Cain" mentality, that is your theology, is a faith that has nothing to do with the Cross or the Grace of God.
Listen, your legalism, is an insult to the blood of Jesus.
Believe it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You forgot to highlight the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God in 1 Corinthians 6:9. It's the unrighteous who practice such sins and not the righteous. (Galatians 5:19-21; 1 John 3:9) Such were some of you while in their unrighteous state BUT you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. How did this happen? Through sinless perfection? NO. Through faith in Christ. (Romans 5:1)

amen, He did not say they stopped those sins. He said they were washed. sanctified and justified of those sins.

The corinthian church was deep in sexual sin. So deep that Paul called them babes who needed to grow up.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The Lake of Fire is only for Christ Rejectors, who have never been born again.

Another one here seeing a red mirage in the text:

“…depart from me, ye that work iniquity Christ rejectors.” (Matthew 7:23)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Another one here seeing a red mirage in the text:

“…depart from me, ye that work iniquity Christ rejectors.” (Matthew 7:23)

christ rejecters ARE those who work iniquity my friend.

 

[WalkInLight]

Nowhere does the Bible say to trust in the finished work of redemption. That is a Protestant saying. Protestants number in the high millions and thus they are not of the narrow path or way. They are the second largest denomination in the world. Jesus said narrow is the way that leads unto life and FEW be there that find it (Matthew 7:14).

I was struck by something.
When another becomes your everything, ones focus is what upsets the other or brings them joy is a driver of ones own behaviour.
My brother, an insecure quiet man got married. For the first time in his life, he was very careful what he said, how he said it and what his wife thought as a result. I had never seen this before in him. How I felt based on what he said, meant zero throughout my life with him.

So when the statement "If you believe in Jesus" is said this is emotionally implying everything in Jesus's heart is ones own heart, it is inter-twinned with ones own heart.

See the picture of the apostles, uneducated men, picked by Jesus and following Him, giving up everything to sit at his feet and learn. In a true way their following was root and branch following, walking with Jesus town to town. When Jesus said to them come follow me, it was not believe my words alone, but physically follow me.

In our modern world of ideas where we live as individuals, cut off from others, but going to work with a small group and home with family, the following of Jesus is restricted to church visits, house group, and personal reading probably. It is easy then to say the difference is just the words, belief, that matter. Often the lack of friendships and community, one to one engagement is so superficial you can be a recluse and still be thought of as a normal human being.

Which version of faith fits to the recluse? Open loving transformation or a belief system that helps reassure them while they hide away?

God bless you

 

[mailmandan]

Another one here seeing a red mirage in the text:

“…depart from me, ye that work iniquity Christ rejectors.” (Matthew 7:23)

Jesus never knew them which means they were never saved (vs. 23) so their sins remained. In the eyes of God, no faith, no imputed righteousness, only filthy rags. Hence, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

If you love Christ then you will love the Grace of God, and you wont be found obsessing on the Law or trying to keep commandments

Who’s obsessing?

We are merely bringing forth biblical evidence against your error.

Was Jesus also obsessing about these things, or any of the Apostles when telling us to be righteous?

vs, trusting in Christ alone for Salvation.

I trust in Christ and respect Him enough to not tread on him!

 

[WalkInLight]

Here are the parts you ignore, corrupt, or are willingly ignorant of:

“If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away…” (Colossians 1:23)

“…if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:22)

“…give diligence to make your calling and election sure…” (2 Peter 1:10)

“…they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” (Hebrews 6:6)

“…these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.” (Luke 8:13)

“…God shall wound the… hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.” (Psalms 68:21)

“Take heed …unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt …save thyself.” (1 Timothy 4:16)

“…If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;” (John 8:31)




Misrepresentation as a result of your false conclusion in regards to those who expose the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved.

If the folk arguing "if" does not apply to them, which appears to be the case, they are not believers.
A person is alive because their heart beats.

If their heart does not beat, no "if"s will bring them alive.
I was struck by a reality of the Kingdom of heaven the other day.
A dictator wants to dominate others and exploit them for their own ends. They are the most important person, and any opposition must be eliminated, to death if required.

Love on the other hand desires the best for each individual. And the best for an individual is seeing what the problems and solutions are, which often time is meeting their needs as a servant, humbling oneself to do that which the individual themselves cannot do. It also dictates the freedom for the individual to choose, to sow into the relationship or walk away. Only with this open door is the relationship real and chosen.

God chose the servant road because that is love and is how you meet the needs of others. So God cannot be the uncaring self absorbed dictator, but the loving servant King that He is.

It is a simple spiritual reality, those who do not see God, do not know this, or the life it calls us to follow, to be like Christ, to become servants of others and help meet their needs.

It is not an argument but a state of the heart, a reality that is either there or not.
God bless you

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Jesus never knew them which means they were never saved (vs. 23) so their sins remained.

Why?

They didn’t reject Him.

They just got done showing acceptance of Him before being told, I never knew you:

“…Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?” (Matthew 7:22)

Someone who rejects Him cannot do those works in his name (Acts of the Apostles 19:15).

A lot of those who walk according to the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved are probably never known of Christ.