BarneyFife
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.I'm thinking the sister is far too gone
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"Far too gone"
Your arrogant judgment seems to know no bounds.
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.I'm thinking the sister is far too gone
.Well that’s not right. You don’t receive eternal life by what you say. You receive eternal life when you’re given the down payment of the Holy Spirit.
Of course, there are both vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor, but we never get to that because we get stalled arguing over if eternal life can be taken away.
You receive eternal life when Jesus and God resurrect your body and bless you with eternal life in heaven. Not until then have you received eternal life. We are all appointed to death still. Can you live forever in the here and now?
And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
I would not characterize the gift of the Holy Spirit as a down payment.
Yes the eternal life is a promise, but not something received yet. So while I don't say I am saved, I have hope for that promise. So I posted a comment in post #37 regarding that promise.And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Yes, but:
“Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)
They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you hold your place only because of your faith
I've been a member of multiple Christian forum sites over the past 10 years now and it's not very often that I see someone persuaded to change their mind over such ontroversial doctrines such as OSAS vs NOSAS, although some people may change their minds over a few other things, as EG pointed out.
It amazes me how certain people believe that if they just continue to beat you over the head with the same arguments over and over again with just the right amount of rhetoric, then they will eventually persuade you to see things THEIR way.
I'm reminded of the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector
every time I come across one of these toxic threads that relentlessly attack and slander OSAS believers
promote the self righteous doctrine of sinless perfection.
.32 But I have pleaded in prayer for you, Simon, that your faith should not fail. So when you have repented and turned to me again, strengthen your brothers.”
it reads to me like Jesus is saying his trust WILL fail but that he then repents and returns to trust. It reads like a prophecy about Simon.
.14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
Another translation:
14 The Spirit is God’s guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. He did this so we would praise and glorify him.
Another:
14 That Spirit is the down payment of our inheritance,
which we shall share
when God has redeemed us
as his own possession,
to the praise of his glory.
Very true, and is the simple point that all OSAS argues against. They twist Scripture to turn sinning now with the devil, into a one-off that doesn't count as sinning with the devil all the time. Since it's only 'once', then it's not always.@Eternally Grateful @mailmandan @Behold @Jim B @BloodBought 1953
Whenever temptation comes along, be like Joseph and say:
“…how …can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?” (Genesis 39:9)
Because although committing this ONE act of adultery wouldn’t make him a practitioner of adultery, yet he still recognized the great wickedness in just ONE act of sin.
Hi @robert derrick. I see you have been posting alot of threads against OSAS. And while I find some biblical support of losing ones salvation I also see some support for OSAS. Particularly this verse comes to mind:
John 10:28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
So I wonder if both ideas are correct. Since I also find this:
Hebrews 6:4-8
4For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
So I'm left wondering how you interpret John 10:28
I think the way I interpret it is that once God has chosen a person to save them, they cannot perish, but can sin and need to be delivered to repentance.
This is contradictory
you are trusting someone, but it’s yourself not God,
jesus said come to him and he will give you rest, you want to,work? Why? Learning to love is not work, it’s placing your faith in Christ. People think it’s hard to overcome, for us it is, for Christ it is not
you can’t overcome sin, that is true,apart from gods help. Thats why you need him
returning to law will not help you overcome sin, and thinking you are sinless is just deceiving yourself. No one is good but God. Jesus said that not me
I rest my case!There is no doctrine in the Bible teaching Once Saved Always Saved or Eternal Security in Christ. Christ himself said that you will be SAVED if you endure to the end (Matthew 24:13). Other scriptures agree: Romans 11:22; Colossians 1:23; 2 Peter 2:20. And I’ve heard these scriptures twisted all kinds of ways by those on your side.
No, unless what they say agrees with the Bible!
I don’t slander or falsely accuse anyone! But what did Elijah do here?
“And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.” (1 Kings 18:27)
So why does the LORD seem to say 12 chapters later that Peter is yet to be converted? Is it because he has not yet been converted, or is it because he has, indeed, been converted but has somehow lost his salvation status along the way?
I like this, it reminds me of several beliefs about heaven. That there are degrees of heaven and some are more sinful in this life and go to a lesser heaven. It also reminds me of the second book of Enoch from the dead sea scrolls, which I liked hearing about, there are 10 heavens in his book.hi there ..I liked your post .
For me personally , I believe God saves EVERYONE …in his own order …We see it in pattern in the OT …ONLY Moses spoke with God face to face …then there was Aaron who went in and out into the Holy of Holies …then we have the priests who served in the Holy Place with maintaining the oil ,shew bread, etc
…then we see all the priests who served at the altar in the outer court , checking and slaying the lambs and sacrifices…
Then we have all of those camped around the tabernacle .
it always amazes me that people can only see heaven as one big glob of saved people. They get so angry if anyone points out that in heaven not everyone is equal . There are levels in glory just as we see in the patterns shown to us in the OT .
I believe that we are as close to God in heaven as we’ve been here .
We choose how we live here every day. Our choices count in the heavenly realm .
I believe in the power of the blood of Jesus. It was , and IS , ENOUGH.
I believe that every knee WILL bow , and tongue WILL confess ….He is Lord .
God set Adam and Eve in the Garden , He was not shocked or wringing His hands when they fell…He already had The Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world …in place , waiting …
God always intended to win…He will not say at the End… “ 1/3 victory for Me, and 2/3 win for my Enemy …what a victory …now let’s go and party . “. Good so loved the world , that He GAVE….at a great price .
Why the great love of God infuriates some people I have no idea.
Just my two cents . Blessings.