Spotting Heretics

[Marymog]

I'm Blind????

Lol, that's funny.
You're the one who somehow thinks your cup is filled with the actual blood of Christ. And I'm the blind one????

And you are the one calling Him and Paul a liar: Matthew 26:27-28, 1 Corinthians 10:16

I would rather be in my shoes than yours......

 

[amigo de christo]

Ok Ferris.....So you believe that I don't read the bible for myself!! You are wrong, but I can't prove you wrong...you will just have to take my word for it.

So riddle me this kiddo: Many non-Catholic men have read the Bible for themselves and they have come to the same conclusion that The Catholic Church has come to in many different teachings. Are those men being influenced by "Catholic overlords" also?

And riddle me this kiddo: Your bible and my bible tell us to Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you. Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine. Who are the overlords that rule over you and are worthy of YOUR double honor Ferris? After all, if you are obeying your bible, you should be able to name names!! I can. Can you?

Curious Mary

The truth is that no false teacher nor instituion is WRONG on everything it teaches .
Just cause the CC has some things right , just cause even the mormons got some truths
Just cause even buddists can say some truths , DONT MEAN I AM GONNA FOLLOW ANY OF THEM .
ITS THE WHOLE TRUTH and NUTTING but the TRUTH FOR ME . ANY false prophet , leader or teacher
IS not always gonna spout lies . ITS ALWAYS BLENDED with truths . THAT is what makes it so deceptive .
Even muslims can spout truths , BUT YA GOTTA KNOW they dont KNOW GOD and they DONT KNOW CHRIST .
Nor does the CC . Nor does the buddist . EVEN athiests can spout truths , BUT THEY like many DONT KNOW THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TRUTH .
NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN . LEARN THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF .

 

[Marymog]

The truth is that no false teacher nor instituion is WRONG on everything it teaches .
Just cause the CC has some things right , just cause even the mormons got some truths
Just cause even buddists can say some truths , DONT MEAN I AM GONNA FOLLOW ANY OF THEM .
ITS THE WHOLE TRUTH and NUTTING but the TRUTH FOR ME . ANY false prophet , leader or teacher
IS not always gonna spout lies . ITS ALWAYS BLENDED with truths . THAT is what makes it so deceptive .
Even muslims can spout truths , BUT YA GOTTA KNOW they dont KNOW GOD and they DONT KNOW CHRIST .
Nor does the CC . Nor does the buddist . EVEN athiests can spout truths , BUT THEY like many DONT KNOW THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TRUTH .
NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN . LEARN THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF .

Hmmmm.....Who decides what "truths" the Catholic Church teaches and what "truths" the Mormon Church teaches? YOU?

 

[EloyCraft]

Beliefs concerning the destruction of the law (the very thing Jesus said he did not come to do), and lifeless programmed worship.

Wait, you claim that we(Catholics) ignorantly seek salvation in works of the Law. How are we destroying it too?
Oh ok. Because you want to cling to Law that you think the Catholic Church destroyed and reject what ever the Catholic Church put in It's place.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And you are the one calling Him and Paul a liar: Matthew 26:27-28, 1 Corinthians 10:16

I would rather be in my shoes than yours......

Saying they are speaking figuratively does not make them liars.

 

[EloyCraft]

God's people are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. And that blood is applied through faith in that blood, not works of suffering.
This fundamental error of the Catholic church in thinking we receive God's righteousness through works is why it was necessary to abandon the Catholic church to it's corruption and be separate from it.

You reject the Cross. That's the work you reject. Paul taught the Cross not by eloquent words. Jesus said that Paul had much to suffer. That's what reveals the Cross. Even though Paul taught His suffering did what Jesus suffering did but for the people and in the way the people in his sphere needed. Paul didn't preach that our sacrifices are useless dependency on works or addiction to a martyr cult. Or, a cross that was powerless.
No matter what you call your beliefs, they are founded on and depend on the existence of Catholic corruption. Error in that regard isn't a possibility that can be explored for a Christian loyal to protestantism.

 

[Illuminator]

Saying they are speaking figuratively does not make them liars.

The Cup of Blessing that Paul mentions in 1 Corinthians 10:16 refers to the Third Cup drank at every seder. It's not a figurative cup.

Matt. 26:29; Mark 14:25 – Jesus is celebrating the Passover seder meal with the apostles which requires them to drink four cups of wine. But Jesus only presents the first three cups. He stops at the Third Cup (called “Cup of Blessing” – that is why Paul in 1 Cor. 10:16 uses the phrase “Cup of Blessing” to refer to the Eucharist – he ties the seder meal to the Eucharistic sacrifice). But Jesus conspicuously tells his apostles that He is omitting the Fourth Cup called the “Cup of Consummation.” The Gospel writers point this critical omission of the seder meal out to us to demonstrate that the Eucharistic sacrifice and the sacrifice on the cross are one and the same sacrifice, and the sacrifice would not be completed until Jesus drank the Fourth Cup on the cross.

Matt. 26:30; Mark 14:26 – they sung the great Hallel, which traditionally followed the Third Cup of the seder meal, but did not drink the Fourth Cup of Consummation. The Passover sacrifice had begun, but was not yet finished. It continued in the Garden of Gethsemane and was consummated on the cross.

If the Third Cup 1 Corinthians 10:16 is figurative, then His death on the cross is also figurative. That's Gnosticism, not Christianity.

 

[Illuminator]

The truth is that no false teacher nor instituion is WRONG on everything it teaches .
Just cause the CC has some things right , just cause even the mormons got some truths
Just cause even buddists can say some truths , DONT MEAN I AM GONNA FOLLOW ANY OF THEM .
ITS THE WHOLE TRUTH and NUTTING but the TRUTH FOR ME . ANY false prophet , leader or teacher
IS not always gonna spout lies . ITS ALWAYS BLENDED with truths . THAT is what makes it so deceptive .
Even muslims can spout truths , BUT YA GOTTA KNOW they dont KNOW GOD and they DONT KNOW CHRIST .
Nor does the CC . Nor does the buddist . EVEN athiests can spout truths , BUT THEY like many DONT KNOW THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TRUTH .
NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN . LEARN THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF .

Ignorance may at times be blissful, but it is never illuminating. St. Augustine once remarked that he had met many people who had been deceived, but never met anyone who wanted to be deceived.

We have a natural hunger for the truth of things. No one ever asks for the wrong time. It is always the “right” time and the truth about things we want to learn.

Untruth is not helpful, but truth is like a beacon that shows us the way. This is why the Pope titled his great encyclical on the freeing function of truth as Veritas Splendor (Truth’s Splendor).

When we are lost we want to learn the truth about our situation so that we can be liberated from our confusion. The truth makes us free; untruth binds us to bewilderment.

The truth about ourselves awakens us to our moral responsibilities, but we need this awakening in order to become whom we truly are, to advance toward our destiny, to build a meaningful life.

We should welcome the truth that illuminates our moral responsibilities with the same enthusiasm that a person who is lost in the woods and welcomes a compass and a map.

read the full article here.

 

[EloyCraft]

S

NO!
The SCRIPTURES are right!
Wake up!

Scripture is subject to human interpretation. The Ethiopian Eunuch demonstrated that. The bible alone couldn't save him. The bible alone is gnostic in it's insistence that God reveals and guides internally alone. Addiction to alonism. Lol

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The Cup of Blessing that Paul mentions in 1 Corinthians 10:16 refers to the Third Cup drank at every seder. It's not a figurative cup.

Matt. 26:29; Mark 14:25 – Jesus is celebrating the Passover seder meal with the apostles which requires them to drink four cups of wine. But Jesus only presents the first three cups. He stops at the Third Cup (called “Cup of Blessing” – that is why Paul in 1 Cor. 10:16 uses the phrase “Cup of Blessing” to refer to the Eucharist – he ties the seder meal to the Eucharistic sacrifice). But Jesus conspicuously tells his apostles that He is omitting the Fourth Cup called the “Cup of Consummation.” The Gospel writers point this critical omission of the seder meal out to us to demonstrate that the Eucharistic sacrifice and the sacrifice on the cross are one and the same sacrifice, and the sacrifice would not be completed until Jesus drank the Fourth Cup on the cross.

Matt. 26:30; Mark 14:26 – they sung the great Hallel, which traditionally followed the Third Cup of the seder meal, but did not drink the Fourth Cup of Consummation. The Passover sacrifice had begun, but was not yet finished. It continued in the Garden of Gethsemane and was consummated on the cross.

If the Third Cup 1 Corinthians 10:16 is figurative, then His death on the cross is also figurative. That's Gnosticism, not Christianity.

The wine is figurative of Christ's blood.
The bread is figurative of Christ's body.

Nothing more, nothing less.

The actual body and blood of Christ is in heaven on the altar. It is not necessary that it be here on earth. The altar is in heaven. That sacrifice is applied to our account by our faith in that sacrifice.

 

[Brakelite]

Being derogatory has no effect on me kiddo. It only shows your character.

Any denomination that teaches that communion is a symbol does not believe it is holy. A symbol of something is not holy. Only the real thing is holy. If they believe that communion is the real thing (His body) then they believe it is just like Him; Holy. A symbol (statue, picture) of Jesus is not Holy. Only the real thing is Holy.

If it is a ludicrous lie then Jesus lied to the Apostles at the Last Supper.

Keeping it real and LOGICAL....Mary

The old testament sanctuary was a symbol of Christ. It was holy. Made holy by the presence of God within it.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

The old testament sanctuary was a symbol of Christ. It was holy. Made holy by the presence of God within it.

In the ancient times that Catholics taught the transfiguration of the eucharist, claiming it was the body of Christ, not a symbol, and the same with wine transfigured to become his blood, is why early pagan people thought Catholics were cannibals .

Because to commune with their God they ate him.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

S

Scripture is subject to human interpretation. The Ethiopian Eunuch demonstrated that. The bible alone couldn't save him. The bible alone is gnostic in it's insistence that God reveals and guides internally alone. Addiction to alonism. Lol

How did the Eunuch know Philipp was speaking the truth to him?
THAT is what you and Mary don't understand!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You reject the Cross. That's the work you reject.

What lunacy, lol!

The work of the cross is the ONLY thing I accept as payment for my sin!
Forgiveness through the blood shed on the cross is the ONLY way to secure the righteousness that delivers from death.
You can not work off your sin debt. The only thing you can do is have it forgiven. That's what makes justification/salvation a matter of grace, not works. You can't do the work required to earn a declaration of righteousness. You can ONLY get it by having it given to you as a free gift of God's grace. This teaching, right out of the pages of the Bible, is completely alien to the Catholic's meritorious works mindset. That is why the Catholic church had to be abandoned by the people of God.

 

[Marymog]

Saying they are speaking figuratively does not make them liars.

They never said they were speaking figuratively. You are saying that.

None the less.....Are you practicing your "lordship" over me? Are YOU the fulfilment of Hebrews 13:17? Is that why I should listen to you?

 

[Marymog]

How did the Eunuch know Philipp was speaking the truth to him?
THAT is what you and Mary don't understand!

Maybe when the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away (vs39) right in front of his eyes he knew Philip was "speaking the truth to him"? Wouldn't that make you believe also Ferris?

The Eunuch relied on the testimony of Philip. Based on what is written in Acts 8 it is probably the first time the Eunuch even heard of Jesus. This event happened within the first 30 or so years after the death of Jesus. But you and I don't need that. We have 2,000 years of testimony to rely on!

 

[Marymog]

In the ancient times that Catholics taught the transfiguration of the eucharist, claiming it was the body of Christ, not a symbol, and the same with wine transfigured to become his blood, is why early pagan people thought Catholics were cannibals.

Hey Dragonfly,

The "early times" you are speaking of was around 120AD. Based on your post that means The Catholic Church and the teaching of the Real Presence started around that time.

Mary

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

How did the Eunuch know Philipp was speaking the truth to him?
THAT is what you and Mary don't understand!

They're Roman Catholics. They don't study the scriptures like we do. They're read the scriptures and told what to accept.
Members of my extended family are of the Latin rite church. Not one owns a Bible.
If they did it would have to be the one approved by the Vatican.

On 1684 the Vatican removed 14 books from their Bible.

When you debate scripture with a Catholic, you're not debating our Bible nor with a Christian.

The person who made a comment about Gnosticism and faith is an example.

They believe what the church authority tells them is true.

Remember also, their Popes have said, under their infallible authority, the RCC is the only true church.

So when you debate a Catholic here, especially the vulgar hate filled ones, remember they already are certain,because church authority decrees this, all Christians are heretics because we're not in their church.

I.E damned to Hell.
That may help you if you proceed further.

Was Saint Peter the first pope? | GotQuestions.org


What does the Bible say about the pope / papacy? | GotQuestions.org

 

[Marymog]

The wine is figurative of Christ's blood.
The bread is figurative of Christ's body.

Nothing more, nothing less.

The actual body and blood of Christ is in heaven on the altar. It is not necessary that it be here on earth. The altar is in heaven. That sacrifice is applied to our account by our faith in that sacrifice.

And here we go again Ferris.

Jesus said the bread/wine IS his body/blood. You say it isn't. He NEVER said it was a figure or a symbol. You say it is. AND he said HE is the bread that came down from heaven that we MUST eat. You say we can't eat Him, we can only read His word and that equals eating him.

There are no early Christian writings supporting what your men have taught you. ALL of the early Christian writings that we have attest that the ancient Christians believed/taught/practiced etc. that the bread/wine IS His body/blood.....Just like He and Paul said it was. Even pagan writings from 120AD attest to the FACT that is what Christianity taught/practiced/believed. There are writings from 100AD that attest to this. That means for the first 110 years AFTER the death of Christ, Christians believed Him when he said it IS his body/blood.

It was not until 1,500 years AFTER the death of Christ that your false doctrine began. It became more popular during the Protestant Revolution that divided Christianity. DIVISION is OPPOSITE of what Jesus prayed for: That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hmmmm.....Who decides what "truths" the Catholic Church teaches and what "truths" the Mormon Church teaches? YOU?

I just identify what is false . They doomed themselves . Its not my fault jospeh smith came along and decieved them
anymore than its my fault the popes have been decieving folks for centuries . I wasnt even born yet . But expose them i must .
Out of great love for the peoples i must warn against false doctrines .