The Day of The Lord, Wrong Timing Applied

[Earburner]

One thing you, Jehovahs Witnesses, and 7th Day Adventist have in common is, the false teaching that the wicked upon death doesn't enter into Hell's concious torment

I just gave you scripture in Ecclesiates 9:5, which reveals that the fantasy of your beliefs is 100% error.
So, what else of error have you swallowed hook line and sinker? Man was "given an Eternal, immortal soul"?? Out of that lie, most all the religious doctrines of church-ianity have been fabricated.
Sorry, but that is NOT what KJV Genesis 2:7 says, and you know it.

But, there it remains, the big LIE. Right from the beginning of their false understanding, all of "church-ianity" is in lockstep over it, filtering all of their doctrines through it.

 

[Earburner]

Truth7t7,
Do you have anything to offer about Zechariah 14, specifically verses 6-7?

 

[Earburner]

One thing you, Jehovahs Witnesses, and 7th Day Adventist have in common is, the false teaching that the wicked upon death doesn't enter into Hell's concious torment

Although I am not SDA or JW, truth cannot deny itself, no matter by whom or by what Jesus wants to convey it through.
If the majority are NOT "hearing" Him, He could and would cause the stones to cry out. Luke 19:40.

Edit: "ALL of the churches have some of His truth, but none of the churches have ALL of His truth."- Earburner.

Therefore, what you shall hear through me, may at times sound like Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, SDA, Pentecostal, JW and/or numerous others.
Why?
KJV John 16:13 and John 4:23-24

 

[Timtofly]

How many ways shall I show it, so that you might overcome the errors that are in, and foisted by most of "church-ianity"?

Do you think that there is no reality of His Holy presence within you, by "the power of His resurrection", in His current 2nd Coming to each of us by His Spirit?
Think again, for Paul and Peter, thought it to be no small matter. KJV John 14:18, Romans 8:9, Philippians 3:10, 2 Peter 1:4.
Edit: Now put that all together with 1 John 5:12-13.
So, the reality of it is, through faith in Jesus, we NOW HAVE the Gift of His Eternal Life, and therefore all that we are waiting for, whether alive or dead, is to be made into the likeness of His Immortality.

You already pointed out you do not accept the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity.

That is your issue not mine. Jesus is 100% God. His Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

Would you say the Word became flesh?

Would you say that God became flesh and dwelt among men?

I say both happened.

It is you that insists Jesus is not God in your implication that Jesus will only personally come 3 times to earth. If Jesus is not a person of the Trinity and was only sent by God to earth 3 times, what else do you want me to say?

You deny that the Son of man, the Son of God, Jesus has ever came more than those 3 times, period. That is your whole point, no?

I accept the power of God within me, be it by using the word God, the Word, Jesus Christ, and also the Holy Spirit. I do not make it an issues that they "have to be" 3 separate persons. They are just referred to in Scripture as 3 separate persons of the Lord God.

It is the Bible that points out we are soul, body, and spirit. We are sons of God in God's image: God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

Although many people do not even care to separate and individualize the 3 separate parts. And no one seems to even understand what they are, nor the state they are in.

 

[Truth7t7]

Although I am not SDA or JW, truth cannot deny itself, no matter by whom or by what Jesus wants to convey it through.
If the majority are NOT "hearing" Him, He could and would cause the stones to cry out. Luke 19:40.

Edit: "ALL of the churches have some of His truth, but none of the churches have ALL of His truth."- Earburner.

Therefore, what you shall hear through me, may at times sound like Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, SDA, Pentecostal, JW and/or numerous others.
Why?
KJV John 16:13 and John 4:23-24

We Disagree, there is a literal hell in conscious torment for the wicked upon death

 

[Timtofly]

but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Why are there 2 seas in Zechariah 14?

Revelation 21:1

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

[Truth7t7]

I just gave you scripture in Ecclesiates 9:5, which reveals that the fantasy of your beliefs is 100% error.
So, what else of error have you swallowed hook line and sinker? Man was "given an Eternal, immortal soul"?? Out of that lie, most all the religious doctrines of church-ianity have been fabricated.
Sorry, but that is NOT what KJV Genesis 2:7 says, and you know it.

But, there it remains, the big LIE. Right from the beginning of their false understanding, all of "church-ianity" is in lockstep over it, filtering all of their doctrines through it.

You have been answered once, we'll do it again

The verses below are parallel teachings of the same place regarding "Light" in "The Eternal Kingdom" in the New Heaven and Earth

Zechariah 14:6-7KJV
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

Revelation 22:5KJV
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

The scripture below represents the "River Of Life" in parallel teachings of the same place "The Eternal Kingdom" in the New Heaven and Earth

Zechariah 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Revelation 22:1KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

 

[Truth7t7]

Why are there 2 seas in Zechariah 14?

Revelation 21:1

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

You have been shown once, I will do it again

"Sea" in revelation 21:1 represents multitudes of people not literal oceans of water

The beast rises out of the "Sea" from multitudes of people not oceans water

The Whore in Revelation 17 sits upon many waters, multitudes of people not literal water

"There Was No More Sea"?

The multitudes of people are "Gone", narrow is the way and gate "Few Will Find Salvation"

Not oceans of water are gone as you suggest

Revelation 21:1KJV
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

[Earburner]

You already pointed out you do not accept the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity.

That is your issue not mine. Jesus is 100% God. His Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

Would you say the Word became flesh?

Would you say that God became flesh and dwelt among men?

I say both happened.

It is you that insists Jesus is not God in your implication that Jesus will only personally come 3 times to earth. If Jesus is not a person of the Trinity and was only sent by God to earth 3 times, what else do you want me to say?

You deny that the Son of man, the Son of God, Jesus has ever came more than those 3 times, period. That is your whole point, no?

I accept the power of God within me, be it by using the word God, the Word, Jesus Christ, and also the Holy Spirit. I do not make it an issues that they "have to be" 3 separate persons. They are just referred to in Scripture as 3 separate persons of the Lord God.

It is the Bible that points out we are soul, body, and spirit. We are sons of God in God's image: God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

Although many people do not even care to separate and individualize the 3 separate parts. And no one seems to even understand what they are, nor the state they are in.

I wasn't trying to make an issue out the topic of the Holy Spirit, nor did I plan to, and I really don't want to. I was just qualifying the words in the KJV, as to the second coming of Jesus on Pentacost to us.
If Christians can't understand, that since Pentacost, Jesus Himself HAS BEEN COMING TO EACH of us, in each generation, it's their problem for not seeking His truth of what Jesus is actually doing by His Spirit in KJV Revelation 3:20.

Now, since Jesus resurrected into the form of Glorified, Immortal flesh, and is also Spirit, having God the Father within Him (who He Himself is ONLY Spirit), they are, once again dwelling together.
The math is not all that hard to do: 1+1=2. Both together are Holy Spirit as one. That is/was nothing new for them, prior to Jesus being made flesh.

Jesus had that same situation of reality with His Father, before He was made to be flesh, and before the world was.
John.17[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

[Timtofly]

But, what should I expect from someone who openly denies the actual definition for the word "parable", in order to believe that the parable of the Richman and Lazaruth is a literal reality, 100%?
And you think that I have problems?

What verse declares this true account a parable. Other than added human opinion?

Next you will say the resurrection of Lazarus was only a parable.

I just gave you scripture in Ecclesiates 9:5, which reveals that the fantasy of your beliefs is 100% error.
So, what else of error have you swallowed hook line and sinker? Man was "given an Eternal, immortal soul"?? Out of that lie, most all the religious doctrines of church-ianity have been fabricated.
Sorry, but that is NOT what KJV Genesis 2:7 says, and you know it.

But, there it remains, the big LIE. Right from the beginning of their false understanding, all of "church-ianity" is in lockstep over it, filtering all of their doctrines through it.

Ecclesiastes is only parabolic. The rantings of an old man who lost all his wisdom, in sin and turning away from God.

 

[Truth7t7]

I was just qualifying the words in the KJV, as to the second coming of Jesus on Pentacost to us.
If Christians can't understand, that since Pentacost, Jesus Himself HAS BEEN COMING TO EACH of us, in each generation, it's their problem for not seeking His truth of what Jesus is actually doing by His Spirit in KJV Revelation 3:20.

Now, since Jesus resurrected into the form of Glorified, Immortal flesh, and is also Spirit, having God the Father within Him (who He Himself is ONLY Spirit), they are, once again dwelling together.
The math is not all that hard to do: 1+1=2. Both together are Holy Spirit as one. That is/was nothing new for them, prior to Jesus being made flesh.

Jesus had that same situation of reality with His Father, before He was made to be flesh, and before the world was.
John.17[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

I Disagree

Pentecost wasn't a "Second Coming" of Jesus as you claim, he sent the God the Holy Spirit

"No" Jesus didn't vacate the throne on the right hand of the father and come back to earth

Your teaching and belief regarding "3 comings" is way out in left field, far away from orthodoxy

 

[Earburner]

You have been shown once, I will do it again

"Sea" in revelation 21:1 represents multitudes of people not literal oceans of water

The beast rises out of the "Sea" from multitudes of people not oceans water

The Whore in Revelation 17 sits upon many waters, multitudes of people not literal water

"There Was No More Sea"?

The multitudes of people are "Gone", narrow is the way and gate "Few Will Find Salvation"

Not oceans of water are gone as you suggest

Revelation 21:1KJV
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Very good!
Now, can you make the same jump in
Zech.14[8] And it shall be in that DAY, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former [H6931] sea, and half of them toward the hinder [H314] sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

What DAY does that event take place?
Answer: Pentacost.

Who is the "former" sea being symbolized here.
Who is the "hinder" sea, after them?

Clue: Matt.15[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

[Truth7t7]

Very good!
Now, can you make the same jump in
Zech.14[8] And it shall be in that DAY, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

What DAY does that event take place?
Answer: Pentacost.

Who is the "former" sea being symbolized here.
Who is the "hinder" sea, after them?

Clue: Matt.15[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

We Disagree

It's not going to change, you have been answered several times, we'll do it again and again

The verses below are parallel teachings of the same place regarding "Light" in "The Eternal Kingdom" in the New Heaven and Earth

Zechariah 14:6-7KJV
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

Revelation 22:5KJV
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

The scripture below represents the "River Of Life" in parallel teachings of the same place "The Eternal Kingdom" in the New Heaven and Earth

Zechariah 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Revelation 22:1KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

 

[Earburner]

I Disagree

Pentecost wasn't a "Second Coming" of Jesus as you claim, he sent the God the Holy Spirit

"No" Jesus didn't vacate the throne on the right hand of the father and come back to earth

Your teaching and belief regarding "3 comings" is way out in left field, far away from orthodoxy

Oh really?
Who did Paul literally meet on the road to Damascus, when he asked who He was?
KJV Acts 9[4] And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
[5] And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

It's OK to be in denial of what I say, in order to defend and protect your present form of a belief system. But if the "Light" gets brighter, does that mean the words changed, or is it that you shall have received better vision by His Spirit? Zechariah 4:6

You are so bound up with defensive measures, that "the mind of Christ" within you us at a stand still for moving you forward, for your growth in Him.

Orthodoxy** is fronted by the wisdom of men, and we both know, that is not how we are to have faith. We are to have faith by the power (authority) of God, only. 1 Corinthians 2:5.

** Note: Orthodoxy- M/Webster dictionary: conforming to established doctrine especially in religion orthodox principles, the orthodox
interpretation.

 

[Earburner]

We Disagree

It's not going to change, you have been answered several times, we'll do it again and again

The verses below are parallel teachings of the same place regarding "Light" in "The Eternal Kingdom" in the New Heaven and Earth

Zechariah 14:6-7KJV
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

Revelation 22:5KJV
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

The scripture below represents the "River Of Life" in parallel teachings of the same place "The Eternal Kingdom" in the New Heaven and Earth

Zechariah 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Revelation 22:1KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Sorry, those verses in Zechariah 14 is talking about Jesus, in His first coming, in the flesh.
John.8[12] Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Please take note of this:
John.5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

 

[Timtofly]

You have been shown once, I will do it again

"Sea" in revelation 21:1 represents multitudes of people not literal oceans of water

The beast rises out of the "Sea" from multitudes of people not oceans water

The Whore in Revelation 17 sits upon many waters, multitudes of people not literal water

"There Was No More Sea"?

The multitudes of people are "Gone", narrow is the way and gate "Few Will Find Salvation"

Not oceans of water are gone as you suggest

Revelation 21:1KJV
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

So no more people exist in your NHNE. Got it.

 

[Timtofly]

I wasn't trying to make an issue out the topic of the Holy Spirit, nor did I plan to, and I really don't want to. I was just qualifying the words in the KJV, as to the second coming of Jesus on Pentacost to us.
If Christians can't understand, that since Pentacost, Jesus Himself HAS BEEN COMING TO EACH of us, in each generation, it's their problem for not seeking His truth of what Jesus is actually doing by His Spirit in KJV Revelation 3:20.

Now, since Jesus resurrected into the form of Glorified, Immortal flesh, and is also Spirit, having God the Father within Him (who He Himself is ONLY Spirit), they are, once again dwelling together.
The math is not all that hard to do: 1+1=2. Both together are Holy Spirit as one. That is/was nothing new for them, prior to Jesus being made flesh.

Jesus had that same situation of reality with His Father, before He was made to be flesh, and before the world was.
John.17[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Then God came way more than 3 times.

 

[Truth7t7]

So no more people exist in your NHNE. Got it.

At no time did I say "All People" as you falsely claim, the "Multitudes Of People" are gone "There Was No More Sea", only the "Few" will find salvation and be found in the New Heaven and Earth

Will you further misrepresent my very clear explanation regarding "There Was No More Sea"?

Revelation 21:1KJV
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Matthew 7:13-14KJV
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry, those verses in Zechariah 14 is talking about Jesus, in His first coming, in the flesh.
John.8[12] Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Please take note of this:
John.5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Sorry, I Strongly Disagree!

Zechariah 14 is showing the "Day Of The Lord" and the "Future" Second Coming of Jesus Christ

Zechariah 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

[Timtofly]

At no time did I say "All People" as you falsely claim, the "Multitudes Of People" are gone "There Was No More Sea", only the "Few" will find salvation and be found in the New Heaven and Earth

Will you further misrepresent my very clear explanation regarding "There Was No More Sea"?

Matthew 7:13-14KJV
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

In Zechariah 14 two rivers were flowing towards two multitudes of people, and sticking with your interpretation the same thing is supposed to happen in the other passage, yet it says no more people.

That is why I don't make up spiritual definitions where they do not belong.

Zechariah 14 is the 1,000 year reign of Christ with two rivers and two seas. In Revelation 21 there is no more sea. There is only 1 river, not 2 rivers. There is a difference no matter how you interpret it.